30-70mph 3rd gear times

[MINI-Morgan]

Any new testing guys??

[BigShow]

My new 30-70 mph is 5.6 in 3rd which is still slow compared to some but I do have the early box.

[Snowie]

Quote: Originally Posted by BigShow300 (original)

My new 30-70 mph is 5.6 in 3rd which is still slow compared to some but I do have the early box.

That is a big suprise to me

I wonder how much difference the early box makes

I am very pleased to still be at the top of the SC list at 5.1 - how the hell I did it I do not know but it makes me smile that I am still there

[roland2003]

I do, by having superb Torque rather than tuned for peak bhp at the sacfifice of everything below that peak.

[BigShow]

It would be ineresting to see your latest torque graph Snowie as looking back at your old figures my torque comes in earlier and stronger in the middle so it's not just the toruqe thats producing your awesome time, IMO it's the later GB as Paul ran an identical time to yours with a later GB in his.

Have you got your latest dyno graph Snowie? Attached mine for torque comparison, be good to compare mine to your original dyno graph too Roland as a sort of schrick vs 1320 cam plot to see where the schrick torque comes in.

[roland2003]

Big Show....have you had a chance to do the 60-130mph yet as a comparison to our GTT350T ?. My guess for your car would be about 20 secs though is a wild guess. Also what do you think your chances are of matching my GTT260 spec road car (road tyres) 1min 20 secs (or 1 min18secs turbo road tyres) at CC now youve watched others go round in 1min 30 secs best all day?
Snowies car and driver is a heck of alot heavier than 1320s totally gutted car+lighter driver .+ 1320's smaller diameter wheels which lowers the gearing a fair bit aswell to help their time.

[BigShow]

Sadly I don't have my own private tarmac rally stage to do my test but 20 seconds sounds about right to me, but when I do it it will be more than one run using the PB and backed up within 1%.

As I've said from the start I don't think my chances are that good TBH but I still have plenty of time to give it a go, but before I run, a CC expert will take my car out with vid cam and performance box because if he can't get close in my car I'll admit defeat as I don't want to spank my car by trying too hard just to win a bet

It was actually Paul that set that time in Snowies car so the driver was the same in both cars. Snowies must weigh about 2700 as a GP as that's what BRM Coopers base spec car weighed, where as Pauls weighs 2600 but was running 15's so although there will be something in it but it won't be more than a tenth of a second.

So have you got a copy of the dyno graph as above?

[batou]

I do 30-70mph in 2nd gear on my early GB when I really want to move, 3rd if I'm feeling lazy

[Revolution Mini Works]

I really enjoy seeing how you compare a $16,000 kit to a $5000 kit

If you want to compare apples to apples we can send over one of our kits for $15k and make 500whp vs your 390 crank hp

I can't imagine how you can honestly say this is some kind of fair comparison. Why not bring out one of your 280GTT kits and show the world what it does?

[Snowie]

Quote: Originally Posted by BigShow300 (original)

It would be ineresting to see your latest torque graph Snowie as looking back at your old figures my torque comes in earlier and stronger in the middle so it's not just the toruqe thats producing your awesome time, IMO it's the later GB as Paul ran an identical time to yours with a later GB in his.

Have you got your latest dyno graph Snowie? Attached mine for torque comparison, be good to compare mine to your original dyno graph too Roland as a sort of schrick vs 1320 cam plot to see where the schrick torque comes in.

Ben
At the moment I have no access to a scanner - still getting sorted out after the move to Italy and as is usual there are a few things still in boxes.

All of my data from all dyno runs is in the GP tuning thread in the PDF doc with all data from 2000 RPM up to Stock GP limit of 7000 RPM where my rev limiter cuts in hard.

The 5.1 sec run at SRR was with me driving (you told me so) plus when Paul went out in the car as far as I know the Perf box was in another car. I said it would be good to know what it would be with another driver.
I need to lose weight me not the car

[Snowie]

The other thing to take account of with my car is the 4/2/1 JCM manifold and sports cat.

It seems to do what it 'says on the box' = 4/2/1 for torque

[BigShow]

Quote: Originally Posted by Snowie (original)

Ben
At the moment I have no access to a scanner - still getting sorted out after the move to Italy and as is usual there are a few things still in boxes.

All of my data from all dyno runs is in the GP tuning thread in the PDF doc with all data from 2000 RPM up to Stock GP limit of 7000 RPM where my rev limiter cuts in hard.

The 5.1 sec run at SRR was with me driving (you told me so) plus when Paul went out in the car as far as I know the Perf box was in another car. I said it would be good to know what it would be with another driver.
I need to lose weight me not the car

No probs Alan... I checked the PDF and it only has the RPM for the 236.1 run on it as far as I can see but I may have missed it.

http://www.mini2.com/forum/engine-dr...tuning-gp.html

That was the original run mate where you pulled 5.2 but then Paul went out and did a run in his car and got 5.1 so you asked him to take yours out and he matched his best time in yours at 5.1 as he also did a 1/4 mile time in yours if you remember. I only know this becuase i had 2 sets of data for your car at the time.

Are you at the next Surrey RR as we can do another set of runs as long as the BIB don't stop play again like last time .

[Snowie]

Quote: Originally Posted by BigShow300 (original)

No probs Alan... I checked the PDF and it only has the RPM for the 236.1 run on it as far as I can see but I may have missed it.

http://www.mini2.com/forum/engine-dr...tuning-gp.html

That was the original run mate where you pulled 5.2 but then Paul went out and did a run in his car and got 5.1 so you asked him to take yours out and he matched his best time in yours at 5.1 as he also did a 1/4 mile time in yours if you remember. I only know this becuase i had 2 sets of data for your car at the time.

Are you at the next Surrey RR as we can do another set of runs as long as the BIB don't stop play again like last time .

Hi Ben
Look here http://www.mini2.com/forum/3401047-post87.html post 87 has the latest data

I am not at SRR next weekend as I am now living in Italy. It is a real bummer that I can not be there as I introduced MINI 2 crowd to SRR with the RR day last year and it is just round the corner from Camberley. It should be a good day with some big hitters there.

It is also pleasing to see that in general the MINI 2 community are willing to use the SRR results as independent data supporting the tuners performance options.

Facts speak a 1000 words and they are even better words when the facts are provided from an independent source - have a good day.

5.1 in my car irrespective of driver is still very pleasing to see all though I am sure that your e-mail to me said it was me in the driving seat as I did 2 runs but never mind. Who cares who drives it is the cars performance that matters.

Paul still has to beat it in his

Alan

[BigShow]

Quote: Originally Posted by Snowie (original)

Hi Ben
Look here http://www.mini2.com/forum/3401047-post87.html post 87 has the latest data

I am not at SRR next weekend as I am now living in Italy. It is a real bummer that I can not be there as I introduced MINI 2 crowd to SRR with the RR day last year and it is just round the corner from Camberley. It should be a good day with some big hitters there.

It is also pleasing to see that in general the MINI 2 community are willing to use the SRR results as independent data supporting the tuners performance options.

Facts speak a 1000 words and they are even better words when the facts are provided from an independent source - have a good day.

5.1 in my car irrespective of driver is still very pleasing to see all though I am sure that your e-mail to me said it was me in the driving seat as I did 2 runs but never mind. Who cares who drives it is the cars performance that matters.

Paul still has to beat it in his

Alan

Cheers for finding that... good to see our torque curves are well matched, the graph overlay would be pretty much the same line I think with mine only making slighty more lower down but yours making slight more higher up.

Totally agree with you, with us all using Surrey RR as the bencmark dyno it gives us a true reprentation of the figures out there, just hope we have a nice cold day like last time. Although I've always made more power/torque at Surrey than 1320 so I might get a few bhp more hopefully.

Dude, 5.1 is monster! It's the fastest customer 30-70 car out there... it might even be another World Record car ... totally agree its al about the car not the driver hence why I'll always give my car to Paul at the pod as I want to know what the car can do, hence why I'm getting a pro driver to set a time at CC.

... Damn straight... Paul needs to pull his thumb out as he's lost the Santa Pod time and the 30-70 time now.... he's just too busy putting all these customer cars at the top of the chart now... another customer car is on the way to the top now so keep 'em peeled.

[Revolution Mini Works]

Quote: Originally Posted by Snowie (original)

Hi Ben
Look here http://www.mini2.com/forum/3401047-post87.html post 87 has the latest data

I am not at SRR next weekend as I am now living in Italy. It is a real bummer that I can not be there as I introduced MINI 2 crowd to SRR with the RR day last year and it is just round the corner from Camberley. It should be a good day with some big hitters there.

It is also pleasing to see that in general the MINI 2 community are willing to use the SRR results as independent data supporting the tuners performance options.

Facts speak a 1000 words and they are even better words when the facts are provided from an independent source - have a good day.

5.1 in my car irrespective of driver is still very pleasing to see all though I am sure that your e-mail to me said it was me in the driving seat as I did 2 runs but never mind. Who cares who drives it is the cars performance that matters.

Paul still has to beat it in his

Alan

The stage 4 head made 13whp? oops... forgot schrick cam , 450cc injectors and fuel pressure regulator, optimised by pass valve (not sure how you can optimise it any more than being closed but I am sure there is something here that escapes me)