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Apr 30th, 2008, 03:15 PM
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Wheel sizes on rolling roads
The question is does running different sized wheels make a differance to RR figures.
Im thinking differing overall sizes.
Im running 215/35/18 at present but have in the past ran 205/45/15 which is way smaller!
The question is do the smaller wheels give more torque?
The run down losses measure friction of a moving mass which I think may not be 100% spot on as the other is torque?
I hope someone can explain or even try my theory on the dyno!
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Apr 30th, 2008, 03:18 PM
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different wheel sizes will have a bearing on the bhp figure, as will your tyre pressures. All this has been debated (at great length and pain) in the forums. Just search for Rolling Road BHP WHP.
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Apr 30th, 2008, 03:22 PM
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cool i best get mine re rollered
Apr 30th, 2008, 03:25 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ant FR (original)
cool i best get mine re rollered
...be sure to wear the full sparco race suit and helmet if you do... just in case.
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Apr 30th, 2008, 04:24 PM
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Providing the dyno is set to the gearing of the car there shouldn't be any difference
Apr 30th, 2008, 04:58 PM
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it is one of the many many inaccuracies in rolling roads.
Apr 30th, 2008, 04:59 PM
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Smaller overall size of tyre/wheel combo must give more torque as less torque is required to accelerate with a smaller wheel. But does the dyno account for this on the run down?? surely yes as a smaller wheel will require more torque to turn that a bigger one. Think about bigger and smaller pulleys but also factor in drag from friction
Apr 30th, 2008, 05:44 PM
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Im thinking its a bit like doing a dyno run in 3.5 gear.
And runs in 3rd have given more power in the past if it will grip.
Apr 30th, 2008, 09:35 PM
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Would be good to try out a few different size wheel combo's and a hub dyno, to see if there are any differences.
Apr 30th, 2008, 10:11 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Bhozar (original)
Would be good to try out a few different size wheel combo's and a hub dyno, to see if there are any differences.
To use a hub (proper) dyno the wheels are taken off!
Do you mean a chassis dyno, i.e. one you drive on?
May 1st, 2008, 08:07 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Silent1 (original)
To use a hub (proper) dyno the wheels are taken off!
Do you mean a chassis dyno, i.e. one you drive on?
Nope. I mean put the car on a chasis dyno with several different sets of wheels, then put it on a hub dyno without the wheels.
May 1st, 2008, 08:14 AM
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Then take the engine out and put it on an engine dyno, so you know the drivetrain losses too.
May 1st, 2008, 08:34 AM
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then take the engine out on the back of a trailer driving at 80 mph whilst dynoing on a mobile dyno to see what really happens in real world.
Failing that bung the oprator a tenner and get him to mess around with the settings and increase your BHP
May 1st, 2008, 09:59 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ant FR (original)
then take the engine out on the back of a trailer driving at 80 mph whilst dynoing on a mobile dyno to see what really happens in real world.
Im liking this idea!
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