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Old Feb 24th, 2013, 09:06 PM
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hello there, i have a 2003 lotus orange mini cooper with cooper s bumpers, bonnet and spoiler. i am looking to do a engine swap and replace the original 1.6 with a 1.6t out of a cooper s 2006-2007 model. has anyone done this? could anybody shed any light on other parts that would be needed to complete this? e.g. driveshafts? (what additional measure will need to be dealt with)

Also i want to change suspension and brakes. can anybody recommend any? looking for straight replacements. (will jcw brembo brakes fit straight onto this)


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Old Feb 24th, 2013, 10:52 PM
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If by 1.6t you mean a turbocharged engine, I'm not sure you can fit a 2nd Gen engine in a 1st Gen model.

If you're actually talking about putting a 1st Gen supercharged engine in a Cooper ...

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Can't think in a million years why anyone would want to put the 1.6 Turbo engine from the gen2 MCS in, it is dogged with problems.

As above, go for the gen1 supercharged engine conversion.

As for brakes, I believe that the gen1 JCW brakes fit straight onto the gen1 One/Cooper/CooperS (although I think you also need the caliper carriers too).

Also, I believe gen1 JCW calipers are the same as gen2 MCS calipers.
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Thanks for the feedback guys. Is the 1.6suoercharged engine more reliable? Can i just clarify that my car is a mini cooper and not mcs thanks. I tho ught i would ask as i am unsure of what mods to proceed with.
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Quote: Originally Posted by pandyj (original)
Is the 1.6suoercharged engine more reliable?

It's more a matter of which engine will fit. 1st Gen and 2nd Gen MINIs don't "share" many parts.

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Can i just clarify that my car is a mini cooper and not mcs.

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Gen1/mk1 Cooper and Cooper S Tritec engine are essentially the same unit but the Cooper S version has a supercharger bolted on and various internal engine mods to accomodate the extra power output. Battery is also moved to boot.

Parts Required:
ENGINE
SUPERCHARGER
6 SPEED GEAR BOX
ALTERNATOR
STARTER MOTOR
ENGINE LOOM
TWIN EXHAUST SYSTEM
2 DRIVE SHAFTS
ENGINE MOUNTS
EWS IGNITION BARREL & KEY
ENGINE MANAGEMENT
WATER RADIATOR & FAN
FUEL PUMP
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I hadn't thought of this one before.......I dont see why not though, anything is possible.
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just sell it and by a MCS it will be cheaper
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I'd just sell it and get a cooper S , 'cause even with a cooper S aero kit and engine it's not going to be a cooper S . That's just my personal opinion though
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However some people enjoy the challenge of carrying out such a conversion or just wish to keep their current car...........the classic Mini world is full of 'Cooper S' conversions which started out life as just a standard Mini or Cooper.
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if the cooper and cooper S share the same engine other then the uprated parts; so your telling me i can buy r53 high compression pistions for my cooper? :O
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Quote: Originally Posted by BigDaddy (original)
if the cooper and cooper S share the same engine other then the uprated parts; so your telling me i can buy r53 high compression pistions for my cooper? :O

The MCS engine has a compression ratio of 8.3:1 while the MC engine has a compression ratio of 10.6:1.
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but technically it could work? is there a way to raise the compresion then?
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Quote: Originally Posted by JohnnyC (original)
Can't think in a million years why anyone would want to put the 1.6 Turbo engine from the gen2 MCS in, it is dogged with problems.

As above, go for the gen1 supercharged engine conversion.

As for brakes, I believe that the gen1 JCW brakes fit straight onto the gen1 One/Cooper/CooperS (although I think you also need the caliper carriers too).

Also, I believe gen1 JCW calipers are the same as gen2 MCS calipers.


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but technically it could work? is there a way to raise the compresion then?

With modern fuels it is not always as easy as just raising the compression ratio as in the 'old' days, but if you are interested in MINI performance tuning then the MINI Torque forum is probably a good place to do some research on other owners experiences and suggestions for tuning upgrade mods:
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