The MINI2 Dyno Day - 16 MINI's On the Rollers BHP & Torque Figures Included (inc WHP)

[Paul]

This has been discussed and planned in the UK forum, but I think it might interest people who use performance and tuning too, including those from elsewhere who may have missed it in the UK forum.

The first MINI2 Dyno Day is taking place this weekend (28th June) and this is the current, confirmed line up of 14 cars:

MINI One:

1 Paul Mullett - MINI One
2 OllyBlox - MINI One, Playmini Ex, Pipercross PK222 Induction

MINI Cooper:

3 Red Cooper - MINI Cooper
4 Anand - MINI Cooper, K&N 57i Filter, Magnex Exhaust
5 Monsta - MINI Cooper, Works Filter
6 Ginge - John Cooper Works MINI Cooper
7 GaryM - MINI Cooper, Pipercross air filter, SuperChip
8 Simon Jackson - MiniSpares MINI Cooper Demo

MINI Cooper S:

9 M0D - MINI Cooper 'S'
10 Bad Manners - Cooper 'S'
11 Bigbaddaboom - John Cooper Works 'S'
12 Craig_david - Cooper 'S', Pipercross induction
13 MiniSport - MiniSport Cooper S Demo
14 S_600 - Hartge MINI Cooper 'S'

Owners permitting, full results will be posted in a write up on MINI2 soon after the event.

See http://www.mini2.com/forum/thread30287_.html for full details.

[bigbaddaboom]

Should be a good day, looking forward to it, thanks for organising it Paul.

[Paul]

The MINI2 Dyno Day is taking place tomorrow, 28th June 2003! At AMD in Bicester!



The line up includes various MINIs from across the range, so if you're interested and available come along (there's a BBQ too!), and certainly look out for the results and a report soon after the event.

Full discussion and details here: http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...threadid=30287

Line up now is:

MINI One:

1. Paul Mullett – MINI One *
2. Sugster – MINI One, Green air filter*
3. OllyBlox – MINI One, Playmini Ex, Pipercross PK222 Induction *

MINI Coooper

4. Red Cooper – MINI Cooper *
5. Anand – MINI Cooper, K&N 57i Filter, Magnex Exhaust *
6. Ginge – John Cooper Works MINI Cooper *
7. GaryM – MINI Cooper SuperChip, Pipercross *
8. Simon Jackson – MINI Cooper Demo *

MINI Coooper S

9. M0D – MINI Cooper ‘S’ *
10. Bad Manners – Cooper ‘S’ *
11. Bigbaddaboom – John Cooper Works ‘S’ *
12. Craig_david – Cooper ‘S’, Pipercross induction *
13. MiniSport – MiniSport Cooper 'S' Demo *
14. S_600 – Hartge MINI Cooper ‘S’ *

[Jason S]

I'll be tagging along, what's the chance of getting my vanilla MCS on the rollers, before I get to adding stuff to it???

[Paul]

Quote:

Originally posted by Jason S
I'll be tagging along, what's the chance of getting my vanilla MCS on the rollers, before I get to adding stuff to it???

They day's fully booked, so not much chance, but if we have any no shows then some people might get on, otherwise, time is already tight with our 14 vehicles.

Paul

[mhoutman]

where is Max ?;-)

M.

[angrybeats]

Lets have the hp at the wheels quoted please..

[macmini]

any results so far ?

mac

[Paul]

Here are some raw figures, we managed to get a few more cars on than we expected.













WHP Figures: http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...172#post433172

[AidenL]

Hmm, good results for AMD so far.......

[Bonjour]

Nice, interesting stuff.

I quite like the look of the JCW Cooper on the charts, though the standard Cooper seems pretty well rounded.

What's up with that Minispares Cooper?

[Paul]

Just a few thoughts/points.

We ran in the order on the social UK thread.

MINI One, MINI Cooper, MINI Cooper S, always a standard car first, we also managed to get a standard Cooper S on the rollers at the end, which helped to see what factor the heat was having, although they all had a whopping great(ish) 10bhp fan blowing onto the inter-cooler, apart from the MiniSport S with it's charger cooler.

The Dyno was last calibrated in January, and is as accurate a rolling road can be expected to be. The Cooper S figures seem high, but then the One figures seem OK (Abi's One is high, but the other two are possibly low). They said Cooper S cars often range from 161 to 190+ from the factory, where as the VW's and Audi's they also measure regularly are always pretty accurate (within 3 or 4 bhp either way) of stated figures!

The Hartge possibly suffered because the heat was up at the intake to the 60's, and their power seems to peak right at the end of the rev range, so possibly they missed out there.

The second standard Cooper S (with higher torque) runs Optimax all the time, this could be a factor?

The MINI One in standard form did better than one with a green intake, and compared well to the One with intake and exhaust!

I was impressed with the John Cooper Works MINI Cooper.

MiniSpares Cooper was half and half, so the figures didn't seem to much of a surprise to Simon.

The MiniSport S had troubles on it's first run with the development charger cooler, VERY cool idea (excuse the pun), and peaked at only 179.2 bhp, falling off badly around 4k rpm. A quick repair job, and it got much better figures second time round.

The Works S also did very well, around 40bhp over standard, as you would hope to see.

I'll try to get the report online ASAP with a few more details.

Thanks to AMD and all who attended for making it a top Dyno Day, looking forward to the next!

Paul

[angrybeats]

I take those results with a pinch of salt unless hp at the wheels were given...it's easy to get higher flywheel figures just by altering the drivetrain loss etc etc..

My Hartge Cooper S with full Milltek exhaust got 243hp flywheel hp on the AmD Dyno remember...so how come a car with the same spec as mine only made 218hp

I know mine hasnt got 243hp more like 210/220hp

Look forward to hearing other comments..

[Paul]

Quote:

Originally posted by angrybeats
I take those results with a pinch of salt unless hp at the wheels were given...it's easy to get higher flywheel figures just by altering the drivetrain loss etc etc..

My Hartge Cooper S with full Milltek exhaust got 243hp flywheel hp on the AmD Dyno remember...so how come a car with the same spec as mine only made 218hp

I know mine hasnt got 243hp more like 210/220hp

Look forward to hearing other comments..

You should always take ALL dyno results with a pinch of salt. It's the comparisons on a day like this which are most important. The system automatically calibrates for the cars loss at 3,000 rpm on the warm up runs. Don't ask me how it works, but I am sure I could try to find out.

I think the reason the Hartge "under" performed (both of them) in comparison to the other tuned S's is the heat. The intake heat on them reached the high 60's, and the ECU will automatically start to hold things back in the 60's to 70's range so nothing goes pop. If you look, they 'peak' a little early too, and go rough at the end, where it seems the ECU is battling with itself.

[angrybeats]

Paul wheelhorse power needs no manipulation thats all

Anymore info on the chargecooler ? sounds like what I'm looking for.