Water to air intercooler - MINI Cooper Forum - MINI2 Mini Cooper Forums
Please Visit our Site Sponsors
» Premium
» Auto Insurance
» Featured Product
» Wheel & Tire Center

Go Back   MINI Cooper Forum - MINI2 Mini Cooper Forums > MINI Technical Forums > MINI Engine & Drivetrain Tuning > First Generation MINI Tuning

First Generation MINI Tuning
Find Sponsor products associated with this forum
Tuning the first generation MINI 2001 - 2006

Mini2.com is the premier Mini Cooper Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Jul 4th, 2004, 07:15 PM
mars31971's Avatar
MINI2 Newbie
Offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Aurora , Colorado
Posts: 18
Local Time: 08:33 PM
United States
Water to air intercooler

I wanted to let everyone know that there is a water to air intercooler that works very well and consistantly, without getting heat soaked during operation. It is produced by FMD performance and is an excellant product. It has been in developement and testing for some time now. The unit is high quality T6061 billet alluminium, all pieces are either extruded or CNC machined for a product that is second to none. We have seen a timing advance of 14 degrees. Temperature readings in the intake of 110 degrees.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	MVC00002.JPG
Views:	172
Size:	239.5 KB
ID:	42847   Click image for larger version

Name:	MVC00004.JPG
Views:	155
Size:	246.8 KB
ID:	42848   Click image for larger version

Name:	MVC00005.JPG
Views:	156
Size:	242.2 KB
ID:	42849   Click image for larger version

Name:	MVC00006.JPG
Views:	192
Size:	245.7 KB
ID:	42850   Click image for larger version

Name:	MVC00007.JPG
Views:	140
Size:	251.4 KB
ID:	42851  

Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Jul 4th, 2004, 07:19 PM
mars31971's Avatar
MINI2 Newbie
Offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Aurora , Colorado
Posts: 18
Local Time: 08:33 PM
United States
I also have some graphs showing Temps over time, ignition advance and RPM & Air temps
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	MVC00066.JPG
Views:	149
Size:	251.1 KB
ID:	42852   Click image for larger version

Name:	MVC00067.JPG
Views:	109
Size:	247.7 KB
ID:	42853   Click image for larger version

Name:	MVC00068.JPG
Views:	109
Size:	249.1 KB
ID:	42854  
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Jul 4th, 2004, 07:54 PM
jlm
MINI2 Master
Offline
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: ny,ny
Posts: 1,064
Local Time: 09:33 PM
United States
interesting application; looks like it uses the Laminova cores and extrusions (I have a few I've been playing with)

a couple of questions:
I assume the blue thing is just a coupling;
did you do a test on flow restriction? laminovas don't do well in this respect;
are there internal baffles to direct flow evenly over the entire core length?

john
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Jul 4th, 2004, 08:06 PM
mars31971's Avatar
MINI2 Newbie
Offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Aurora , Colorado
Posts: 18
Local Time: 08:33 PM
United States
The blue thing is the air flow tube to the intercooler. The flow test on the unit has the same air flow as stock which is 375 cfm's and the same pressure drop as well of just 1 pound across the system. We have not found a need to baffle the tube. And you are right about Laminova's design with regards to air flow but our engineers have done some redesigning of the unit as you can see.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Jul 4th, 2004, 10:38 PM
obehave's Avatar
MINI2 Premium Member
Mini Mod
Offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 9,228
Local Time: 09:33 PM
View obehave's Electric Blue & White 1st Gen MINI Cooper S Profile
Looks very nice. Where is the battery connection now?

Like a description or pics of how the plumbing is routed.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Jul 4th, 2004, 11:35 PM
mars31971's Avatar
MINI2 Newbie
Offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Aurora , Colorado
Posts: 18
Local Time: 08:33 PM
United States
The hose routing is hard to show because it is a clean install. Here are a few pics hope these help.

Basically from the unit close to the fire wall it runs behind the plastic wall next to the intake goes to the left towards the ABS controller where the resivoir tank is located. From the bottom of the tank under the car along the frame rail to a pump which is mounted behind the bumper cover to the right of the fog light. From the pump to the first radiator and then to a second radiator in series, from their up to the front of the unit. There is also a 1/4" hose from the resivoir tank to the pump as a bleeder line to eliminate air in the system. There is also a bleeder valve on the intercooler to make sure ther is no air pockets in the intercooler itself.

The battery conection is in the same location but lower.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	MVC00069.JPG
Views:	119
Size:	249.4 KB
ID:	42878   Click image for larger version

Name:	MVC00070.JPG
Views:	115
Size:	246.0 KB
ID:	42879   Click image for larger version

Name:	MVC00071.JPG
Views:	116
Size:	241.3 KB
ID:	42880   Click image for larger version

Name:	MVC00072.JPG
Views:	92
Size:	251.3 KB
ID:	42881   Click image for larger version

Name:	MVC00073.JPG
Views:	111
Size:	242.2 KB
ID:	42882  

Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Jul 4th, 2004, 11:37 PM
mars31971's Avatar
MINI2 Newbie
Offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Aurora , Colorado
Posts: 18
Local Time: 08:33 PM
United States
A few more pics for you. The first pic is of the 2 radiators in the front directly behind the lower bumper grill and just below the alluminium bumper impact brace. The radiators have aprox. 1/4" gap between them and the A/C condensor.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	MVC00074.JPG
Views:	120
Size:	251.1 KB
ID:	42884   Click image for larger version

Name:	MVC00075.JPG
Views:	89
Size:	251.1 KB
ID:	42885   Click image for larger version

Name:	MVC00076.JPG
Views:	91
Size:	246.9 KB
ID:	42886   Click image for larger version

Name:	MVC00077.JPG
Views:	92
Size:	251.1 KB
ID:	42904  

Last edited by mars31971; Jul 5th, 2004 at 11:58 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Jul 5th, 2004, 12:02 AM
mars31971's Avatar
MINI2 Newbie
Offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Aurora , Colorado
Posts: 18
Local Time: 08:33 PM
United States
Also I failed to mention that all of the testing was done with the 19% pulley. So those of you with 15% pulley's will see even lower temps. Side note car was seeing 14psi boost at 6000' and 18psi at sea level, speed traveling at time of boost reading was 140 MPH.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Jul 5th, 2004, 01:58 PM
mars31971's Avatar
MINI2 Newbie
Offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Aurora , Colorado
Posts: 18
Local Time: 08:33 PM
United States
If you would like more info on this product please contact Anthony @ 303-210-6226 or Richard @ 303-246-0673 . Web site is currently under construction.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Jul 6th, 2004, 01:24 AM
MINI2 Regular
Offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 91
Local Time: 10:33 AM
Hong Kong View Laxsion's Dark Silver & White 1st Gen MINI Cooper S Profile
Hi Anthony/Richard,

Is this kit also fit for RHD ? How much is it? Will you take over sea order?

Cheers

Laxsion

Quote: Originally Posted by mars31971
If you would like more info on this product please contact Anthony @ 303-210-6226 or Richard @ 303-246-0673 . Web site is currently under construction.

Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old Jul 6th, 2004, 01:39 AM
obehave's Avatar
MINI2 Premium Member
Mini Mod
Offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 9,228
Local Time: 09:33 PM
View obehave's Electric Blue & White 1st Gen MINI Cooper S Profile
Very nice and thanks for the effort posting the pics. Helps a lot.
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old Jul 6th, 2004, 03:12 AM
mars31971's Avatar
MINI2 Newbie
Offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Aurora , Colorado
Posts: 18
Local Time: 08:33 PM
United States
Quote: Originally Posted by Laxsion
Hi Anthony/Richard,

Is this kit also fit for RHD ? How much is it? Will you take over sea order?

Cheers

Laxsion

Overseas should not be a problem, as for RHD I don't see a problem but I will double check with Anthony as he is the technician. I will get back to you as soon as I find out for sure. The kit is $1860.00 U.S. and the labor time is estimated at 4 hrs.
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old Jul 6th, 2004, 03:26 AM
DDTUNG's Avatar
MINI2 Regular
Offline
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 90
Local Time: 10:33 AM
Hong Kong
Quote: Originally Posted by mars31971
Overseas should not be a problem, as for RHD I don't see a problem but I will double check with Anthony as he is the technician. I will get back to you as soon as I find out for sure. The kit is $1860.00 U.S. and the labor time is estimated at 4 hrs.

Any chance of a group buy from Hong Kong/Taiwan?

DDTUNG
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old Jul 6th, 2004, 03:42 AM
mars31971's Avatar
MINI2 Newbie
Offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Aurora , Colorado
Posts: 18
Local Time: 08:33 PM
United States
Quote: Originally Posted by DDTUNG
Any chance of a group buy from Hong Kong/Taiwan?

DDTUNG

I will get back to you on that along with the RHD fitment concerns.
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old Jul 6th, 2004, 08:23 AM
Mugami's Avatar
MINI2 Master
Offline
 
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 1,215
Local Time: 10:33 PM
United States View Mugami's Dark Silver & White 1st Gen MINI Cooper S Profile
Any chance of one falling off the back of a truck. where i can get a hefty discount??

02 MCS DS/W (Totaled November 02 on Fall Folage Run)
03 MCS DS/W (See my MINI Profie for extensive list of mods)
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Water to Air intercooler Fisher First Generation MINI Tuning 8 May 12th, 2007 10:28 PM
Water to air -or- larger performance intercooler? ///ACS330Ci First Generation MINI Tuning 16 Oct 12th, 2005 06:39 PM
water to air intercooler Idontbrakeforcorners First Generation MINI Tuning 11 Feb 25th, 2005 12:53 PM
Mini Madness Water > Air Intercooler blue_streak First Generation MINI Tuning 3 Jan 12th, 2005 09:49 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.1

All times are GMT. The time now is 02:33 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.3.2