Mini one vs. Cooper S - MINI Cooper Forum - MINI2 Mini Cooper Forums
Please Visit our Site Sponsors
» Premium
» Auto Insurance
» Featured Product
» Wheel & Tire Center

Go Back   MINI Cooper Forum - MINI2 Mini Cooper Forums > MINI Technical Forums > MINI Engine & Drivetrain Tuning > First Generation MINI Tuning

First Generation MINI Tuning
Find Sponsor products associated with this forum
Tuning the first generation MINI 2001 - 2006

Mini2.com is the premier Mini Cooper Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Jul 3rd, 2005, 11:52 AM
MINI2 Newbie
Offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 47
Local Time: 04:14 AM
Mini one vs. Cooper S

Hello everyone,

This is my first post

I was wondering if it is possible to make a Mini One perform like a Cooper S i.e. Same Bhp. I'm thinking of getting one but I love modding so I would like to take the Mini One and give it a SC, air intake, new exhaust, BBK, coilovers and bodykit etc! Some other cosmetics aswell

But I need to know if the Cooper and One use the same engine? Is it just engine management software and can it be upgraded to make the cars perform the exact same?

Also, can anyone tell me the max size a mini will take in alloy wheels and max width. Rear and Front offsets would be useful also. Whats the clearence for a BBK?

Sorry for all the questions
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Jul 3rd, 2005, 12:52 PM
rentagas's Avatar
Half a dent
Offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,413
Local Time: 03:14 AM
View rentagas's Pepper White & Black 2nd Gen MINI Cooper Diesel Clubman Profile
welcome
A mini one can be modified to produce more power than a cooper and on to around 140bhp. Getting it up to 170bhp plus will be more tricky. Bolting on a turbo or supercharger would produce the power but this might break the gear box. There are far far more knowledgeable people on this forum than me-I hope they'll answer you!
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Jul 3rd, 2005, 01:00 PM
MINI2 Newbie
Offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 47
Local Time: 04:14 AM
Quote: Originally Posted by rentagas
welcome
A mini one can be modified to produce more power than a cooper and on to around 140bhp. Getting it up to 170bhp plus will be more tricky. Bolting on a turbo or supercharger would produce the power but this might break the gear box. There are far far more knowledgeable people on this forum than me-I hope they'll answer you!


Ah I see so the gearboxes on a ONE and a COOPER are different? Maybe its best to start with a cooper rather than a one?

Is there any hope for the MINI ONE D as I know diesel can be modified to give more power? However I'm not sure. It seems to be quite down on power at 75bhp with a 1.4 engine. Could this be modified to give 200+ bhp? Seems quite a way off but a twin turbo would come in useful and the amount of torque produced would make me smile Has anyone done anything like this? Will the gearbox handle it?
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Jul 3rd, 2005, 01:14 PM
Pom Down Under's Avatar
.....like a Cheshire cat.
Offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 430
Local Time: 01:14 PM
Australia Male View Pom Down Under's Horizon Blue & Black 2nd Gen MINI Cooper S Profile
By the time you have done all your mods, would it not just be cheaper to buy an 'S'?
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Jul 3rd, 2005, 01:14 PM
Rakey's Avatar
MINI2 Premium Member Has met Quack Quack Jack
Total MINI dot com!!
Offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Total MINI dot com!!
Posts: 50,324
Local Time: 04:14 AM
United Kingdom Male View Rakey's Classified Ads
Quote: Originally Posted by Spoon_BMW
Ah I see so the gearboxes on a ONE and a COOPER are different? Maybe its best to start with a cooper rather than a one?

Is there any hope for the MINI ONE D as I know diesel can be modified to give more power? However I'm not sure. It seems to be quite down on power at 75bhp with a 1.4 engine. Could this be modified to give 200+ bhp? Seems quite a way off but a twin turbo would come in useful and the amount of torque produced would make me smile Has anyone done anything like this? Will the gearbox handle it?

You are getting yourself all in a mess and confused

a One and Cooper are basically the same under the bonnet, same engine, same gear box etc.. so a One can be made to go like a Cooper with no problem.

Where you won't be taking either of these models into Cooper S power, as the gear box is different, the engine has other differences such as the super charger etc...


I suggest you read a bit more about the differences between the models of MINI, then have a read about some of the conversions out there that have been done to Cooper's One's and MCS's, this will give you an idea of what is achievable.

But if you after power the easiest place to start is to order the MCS and not mess about with something you haven't even ordered yet, why not buy what you are looking to achieve and have it so it has warranty and TLC
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Jul 3rd, 2005, 01:20 PM
MINI2 Newbie
Offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 47
Local Time: 04:14 AM
Quote: Originally Posted by Pom Down Under
By the time you have done all your mods, would it not just be cheaper to buy an 'S'?

This is true but I like modding
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Jul 3rd, 2005, 01:24 PM
Rakey's Avatar
MINI2 Premium Member Has met Quack Quack Jack
Total MINI dot com!!
Offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Total MINI dot com!!
Posts: 50,324
Local Time: 04:14 AM
United Kingdom Male View Rakey's Classified Ads
Quote: Originally Posted by Spoon_BMW
This is true but I like modding

cost of mods and risk of damage to car plus insurance cost with the mods, v's the resale value of a mod MINI and a MCS

doesn't really make sense unless you have bags of money to throw away
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Jul 3rd, 2005, 01:24 PM
MINI2 Newbie
Offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 47
Local Time: 04:14 AM
Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey
You are getting yourself all in a mess and confused
I suggest you read a bit more about the differences between the models of MINI, then have a read about some of the conversions out there that have been done to Cooper's One's and MCS's, this will give you an idea of what is achievable.

Ok well can anyone point me in the right direction?

Quote:
But if you after power the easiest place to start is to order the MCS and not mess about with something you haven't even ordered yet, why not buy what you are looking to achieve and have it so it has warranty and TLC

I understand what you are saying but I would prefer to mod it myself. I will be buying second hand also and using genuine mini parts. Thanks for all the help so far!
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Jul 3rd, 2005, 01:25 PM
MINI2 Newbie
Offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 47
Local Time: 04:14 AM
Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey
cost of mods and risk of damage to car plus insurance cost with the mods, v's the resale value of a mod MINI and a MCS

doesn't really make sense unless you have bags of money to throw away

I'll turn her back stock before I sell her.

Modding never makes sense
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Jul 3rd, 2005, 01:29 PM
Rakey's Avatar
MINI2 Premium Member Has met Quack Quack Jack
Total MINI dot com!!
Offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Total MINI dot com!!
Posts: 50,324
Local Time: 04:14 AM
United Kingdom Male View Rakey's Classified Ads
www.mini.co.uk has all the current specs or there is a link at the top of the screen to them on here

your already in engine and drive train forum, there will be threads about modding in here

and then finally the sponsors directory will have links to tuning companies



You say you are using genuine MINI parts, such as what? If you are going to get power you are going to have to chip it, thats not going to be genuine MINI programming, and then with other aftermarket parts such as filter and exhaust you will get to about 140bhp tops. Start off with a MCS and £1500 for mods, you will then achieve your goal of 200bhp
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old Jul 3rd, 2005, 02:21 PM
badboyzbadboyz's Avatar
MINI2 Jedi Master
Offline
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 1,237
Local Time: 03:14 AM
England
Quote: Originally Posted by Spoon_BMW
This is true but I like modding

If you like modding and its within budget you should buy the MINI with the most modifying potential, the S. You will see big power gains from the S for not much £. I dont think you realise how heavily you will have to modify a ONE to reach a true 170bhp (the N/A MINI engine hasn't got much potential) so it wouldn't be easy to turn it back to stock before you sell.
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old Jul 3rd, 2005, 02:46 PM
MINI2 Newbie
Offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 47
Local Time: 04:14 AM
Quote: Originally Posted by badboyzbadboyz
If you like modding and its within budget you should buy the MINI with the most modifying potential, the S. You will see big power gains from the S for not much £. I dont think you realise how heavily you will have to modify a ONE to reach a true 170bhp (the N/A MINI engine hasn't got much potential) so it wouldn't be easy to turn it back to stock before you sell.

Well I've been doing some extensive reseach!!

Looks like I'll be going with the Cooper S! I can't really see much to mod on the engine apart from Chipping, exhaust and throttle body... It will still put a smile on my face

I'll mod the rest with coilovers, HRE wheels, BBK and some nice cosmetic mods.

Thanks for all the help guys!

Can anyone tell me what are the correct offset for mini front and rear wheels???? I found out 18s is the max you ccan get on but I am still unsure about the width?

Thanks!
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old Jul 3rd, 2005, 03:10 PM
RedUn's Avatar
MUGEN POWER
Offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: s2ki.com
Posts: 11,372
Local Time: 03:14 AM
Japan Male
Quote: Originally Posted by Spoon_BMW
Well I've been doing some extensive reseach!!

Looks like I'll be going with the Cooper S! I can't really see much to mod on the engine apart from Chipping, exhaust and throttle body... It will still put a smile on my face

I'll mod the rest with coilovers, HRE wheels, BBK and some nice cosmetic mods.

Thanks for all the help guys!

Can anyone tell me what are the correct offset for mini front and rear wheels???? I found out 18s is the max you ccan get on but I am still unsure about the width?

Thanks!

gald to hear it! save yer self a lot of cash and messing about

theres loads you can do the the S more than the One's/Coop's.....have a quick look around the sponsors section for some ideas such as pulleys, exhausts, intakes, intercoolers etc

19's will fit on the Mini as for the offset I think ideally needs to be 45 but I am not 100% on that at all, yer best doing a search in the 'wheels and tires section'

as for the width I know 8" wide will fit but when lowered quite a bit they do rub, again i'm not 100% on the max size so check out the wheels and tires section

Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old Jul 3rd, 2005, 03:18 PM
MINI2 Newbie
Offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 47
Local Time: 04:14 AM
Quote: Originally Posted by RedUn
gald to hear it! save yer self a lot of cash and messing about

theres loads you can do the the S more than the One's/Coop's.....have a quick look around the sponsors section for some ideas such as pulleys, exhausts, intakes, intercoolers etc

19's will fit on the Mini as for the offset I think ideally needs to be 45 but I am not 100% on that at all, yer best doing a search in the 'wheels and tires section'

as for the width I know 8" wide will fit but when lowered quite a bit they do rub, again i'm not 100% on the max size so check out the wheels and tires section


Sweet!

Think I'll stick with the 18s to avoid rubbing issues and also for a smoother ride! Checked some of the sponsors and it turns out you can do quite alot with this little car!
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old Jul 3rd, 2005, 08:41 PM
Rayman's Avatar
"Buying and selling"
Offline
Send a message via MSN to Rayman
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Warrington
Posts: 707
Local Time: 04:14 AM
United Kingdom View Rayman's Indi Blue & White 1st Gen MINI Cooper Profile
Quote: Originally Posted by Spoon_BMW
Sweet!

Think I'll stick with the 18s to avoid rubbing issues and also for a smoother ride! Checked some of the sponsors and it turns out you can do quite alot with this little car!

Pay attention to the weight of the wheels before you buy them, speaking from experience heavy wheels dont bear well on the mini! 18x7" rims with +45 offset and 215/35/18 tyres will fit easily without rubbing!

2001 cooper (sold)
1995 Supra RZ-S TT auto in white.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Factory John Cooper Works MINI Cooper S - Production begins next summer! Paul Second Generation Works 37 Nov 3rd, 2007 11:54 AM
Mini One se7en , Cooper Parklane ,Cooper S Checkmate Oficial MINI VIdeo jordan General Discussion 0 Jul 20th, 2005 06:09 PM
WTB: Automatic Mini Cooper or Mini Cooper S TorontoMini First Generation CVT & Automatic 0 Jun 2nd, 2005 07:58 PM
MINI Cooper vs. MINI Cooper S, (Pretty Long Message) Nathant General Discussion 32 Aug 11th, 2003 06:12 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.1

All times are GMT. The time now is 03:14 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.3.2