MINI Cooper S with John Cooper Works G_P Tuning Kit

[AidenL]

Put your name down anyway, I'm sure the spot will be saleable......

[Tonyt3]

Ok, forgetting the Autocar angle, fairly obvious that somethings happening with a LE type car. Couple of statements/questions, would like your opinion....

15% reduction in weight on this kind of car would be a very clever thing to achieve - thats an awful lot of weight and would be very hard to achieve (expensive). Talk of a CF roof? Not sure thats going to be possible on a hatchback car - has it ever been done before by a manufacturer on a 3 door model? I would have thought it would be easier to replace the hatch itself if you wanted to save weight?

CF bonnet - mmmm, sounds delicious. Obvious place to save weight, but a very xpensive structure to make. I would assume that thius would be painted (hides imperfections in the CF weave, thus making it cheaper to produce). Do you think they will/should paint it body colour?

If its not painted, wouldn't it look a bit 'Max power' (although i think it suits the car in certain colours...)

Talking of colours, do you think the car will be offerred in a range of colours, a subset of colours, or a special colour?

[Eelke]

As for the CF roof, if there's a will, there's a way. How about if they put in the rear hatch of the convertible, and make the rest of the back end fixed, like the original Mini? That would reinforce the structure and probably save some weight too, although it would mean a new rear end would have to be developed for just this car.

I'm betting on a special color (emphasizes the limited edition feel), although if they take the route of the recent SE's, it might be a special color plus a subset of existing colors.

Anyway, we'll first have to see whether this car materializes.

[MOTOR'N]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tony*t3

I bought the magazine based on the article, which turns out to be rumour, not fact. Its all too easy to say 'based on inside information' to justify a story - whats the insdie info - they read Mini2..?

We all have to get our information somewhere, Paul here on MINI2 and Gabe at MotoringFile are great sources, "quoting" when they can. If Autocar took published information, they should quote it and if they photoshop a piccy, they should say
that they did
Off soap box now

[northandy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tony*t3

Whether they hear it or not, any photograph thats doctored in an 'artists impression' kind of way should be clearly labeled as such. Its deliberatly misleading at best, its down right dishonest at worst.

Your right Tony.... surely in the extreme you could call what they appear to be doing as false advertising, if they say "exclusive pictures of Mini CSL" or the like in an effort to get people to buy the magazine, surely if they are only artists impressions then that is misleading people into buying the Mag ?.

[Tonyt3]

Quote: Originally Posted by northandy

Your right Tony.... surely in the extreme you could call what they appear to be doing as false advertising, if they say "exclusive pictures of Mini CSL" or the like in an effort to get people to buy the magazine, surely if they are only artists impressions then that is misleading people into buying the Mag ?.

spot on.

[Paul]

There'll be more on this from MINI2 within the next 24 hours..... Watch this space!

[Tonyt3]

Mmmmm, will be watching. I hope its coming from a horses mouth, rather than its ass, which is where much of the info seems to be coming from if you read Autocar...

I have to admit, I'm more interested in a 'more power' aspect than on a weight reduction aspect myself. I'll be intrigued as to any rise in JCW power output, and how that could be achieved whilst still meeting global restricitons (noise, emissions etc). With my own car running around 225-230bhp, its surprising just how rewarding even this small extra makes the car. i guess that comes mainly from the much improved torque range.

If the weigth reduction comes in the form of lightweight wheels and a CF bonnet, then they can probably keep it, as this is available to all without having to pay a hiked permium. If they can save significant weight elsewhere then this may be very appealing.

Do you remember, some years ago, a company started making complete classic mini shells in glass fibre...? Now that would save some weight...

[Tone]

Quote: Originally Posted by AidenL

<-----Sets stopwatch...............

Haven't got one but still looking spooky.
Get your readies handy, guys

[MOTOR'N]

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett

There'll be more on this from MINI2 within the next 24 hours..... Watch this space!

20 hours and counting

[Tonyt3]

Quote: Originally Posted by MOTOR'N

20 hours and counting

Of course, he did say "within 24hrs", therefore it could be much sooner.....

[Paul]

http://www.mini2.com/news/news316.html

[AidenL]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tony*t3

Of course, he did say "within 24hrs", therefore it could be much sooner.....

And so it is.........

[MOTOR'N]

Quote: Originally Posted by AidenL

And so it is.........

Yes it is, and............. it's promising

[LMB]

Indeed.