MINI Cooper S with John Cooper Works G_P Tuning Kit

[Paul]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonyt3

I see its called a 'cargo bar' now..... well, at least that makes sense, rather than the 'brace' terminology that was flying around.

Well, to be fair, MINI did say it as non-structural from very early on.

[AprilWhine]

Is it true the 2006 JCW is 0-60 in 6.3 but the GP's time is 6.5?

[LMB]

Quote: Originally Posted by AprilWhine

Is it true the 2006 JCW is 0-60 in 6.3 but the GP's time is 6.5?

Where did you get those figures from?

Even if it is it won't sound as good to sixty.

I bet it costs more as well.

[AprilWhine]

The JCW 2006 figure came from the thread in the MCS forum, the GP figure came from the leaked manual.

[AlexF2003]

Is it important?

[Goonery]

Quote: Originally Posted by AlexF2003

Is it important?

Not really, the 0-60 times are very subjective and are dependent on a whole host of variable factors not least who is driving. I think 30-60 or 50-70 is more useful as that is where most people use it when overtaking safely . Who the hell does 0-60 sprints in everyday motoring anyway

Rakey need not answer this post

[Tonyt3]

Quote: Originally Posted by Goonery

Not really, the 0-60 times are very subjective and are dependent on a whole host of variable factors not least who is driving. I think 30-60 or 50-70 is more useful as that is where most people use it when overtaking safely . Who the hell does 0-60 sprints in everyday motoring anyway

Rakey need not answer this post

Whilst your comments are perfectly true and valid in terms of real world driving - they are not valid in terms of quoted, measured, publiscised data.

It should also be remembered that the 0-60 times quoted are actually 0-62 mph.... Which is why BMW have been able to say it gets to 60mph in >6.5 seconds (being clever not to actually quote a figure).....

Now, if the weight issue mentioned above is also true, that would be an issue. A real issue.

It makes me wonder if they have somehow 'spoilt' the 0-60 times by raiseing the rev limiter to attain a higher BHP output figure. Cars oftern accelerate to their best recorded times by short shifting, because its better to follow the torque band when driving than it is to simply shift at the red line.....

It will certainly sound a lot faster though...

Comments...?

[ABG]

Quote: Originally Posted by Goonery

. Who the hell does 0-60 sprints in everyday motoring anyway

Everyone in Milton Keynes

[Goonery]

Jim : am I misreading your posts, you don't really feel comfy about this car do you

Andy : PMSL at the MK Traffic Light GP

Tone : Its all utter ******** at the end of the day I'm happy with what I'm getting into with this car, I don't care about the intricacies of performance and rev limits I just like it for what it is Peace

[AlexF2003]

They are not relaeasing them all at the same time... delivery in the uk starts in July, and I get mine in September!

The wing and carwash issue is probably the same as any vehcile with sticking out bits... think MG ZR for example!

WEight is another non issue...


Its only a special edition after all, not a new car.

I want one for what it is and thats all.... 0.2 to 60 difference or 4kgs different in a book is naff all

Alex

[GBMINI]

A few comments ...

Weight: the larger weight reduction figure probably includes omitting the a/c, which is not removed on USA spec. Also the different seats for US cars might be a different weight.

0-60: We know (from the hp figures) that MINI are being conservative; also as commented different testers get different 0-60 times.

Jim: I don't understand why you're still going ahead with a GP purchase ... it seems all you write now is negative. Why not just cancel and let someone else that wants the GP, get one? You've been on-again, off-again, on-again and it looks like time to be off-again? Or maybe it's just the way the online forums have a natural tendency to distort to the negative?

[Tonyt3]

Quote: Originally Posted by Goonery

Tone : Its all utter ******** at the end of the day I'm happy with what I'm getting into with this car, I don't care about the intricacies of performance and rev limits I just like it for what it is Peace

I think thats the correct attitude to approach this car with, and I applaud you. Look at all the stupid threads in the past harping on about 'best conversion', with peoples slagging off one converison because its only gott 200bhp when another is clearly better because its got a claimed 210.... only for there to be no real difference on the street anyway. We all know how hard it is to shake off a well driven 115bhp Cooper, even when we've got 200+bhp supercharged cars, on the road or track....

My only caveat on that though is the fact that I needed a 4 seater car, so could never have bought the GP. Now if the weight hasnt really be saved by deleting the rear seat, that would hack me off. Personally, as I think the GP is a rather good looking car (I could easily live with the minor styling issues) I would have bought a 4 seater GP..... I wonder if anyone will be consdiering retro fitting the rear seats....?

[Tonyt3]

Quote: Originally Posted by GBMINI

Jim: I don't understand why you're still going ahead with a GP purchase ... it seems all you write now is negative. Why not just cancel and let someone else that wants the GP, get one? You've been on-again, off-again, on-again and it looks like time to be off-again? Or maybe it's just the way the online forums have a natural tendency to distort to the negative?

To be quite fair to Jim, he had to put a deposit down on a car for which there was a lot of speculation but very little hard fact. Now, as details are being released about it, if they don't match his anticipated criteria, he has every right to start getting a bit negative. Its easy to say cancel the order, but will he get his money back....?

[GBMINI]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonyt3

To be quite fair to Jim, he had to put a deposit down on a car for which there was a lot of speculation but very little hard fact ...

That's true for every prospective GP owner.

I just wondered why, if Jim is really anti the car, he's not considering cancelling?

[jimskater]

Jim Ray, should you be posting before you have your morning coffee?

Oneone hand, the cars a being built--from what I'm hearing upwards of a 100 are complete. The limited number "available" could be why there've been no press drives. Most manufacturers will allow testing of pre-production cars, and then no more testing until after the production line is humming. We're somewhere in the middle of that with the GP.

On the other hand, the only "real" GP out there has been globe trotting from car show to talk show (Regis & Kelly!!??? )--and from what I understand it's pretty much a development mule anyway.

On the third hand--and here's where I agree with Jim Ray--those of us who've bought MINIs before are used to knowing exactly what's on the car before it's built. We've been able to spec the car to our heart's desire (or as close as we can afford), follow production & shipping -- again, knowing exactly what we'll be receiving. MINI hasn't released final content specs yet. Officially, we've been provided pictures, and that's pretty much it--if you count the so-called "spec" list in the brochure. It's a little frustrating for the obsessives amongst us.

Ultimately, if MINI is well into the production pipeline, they know the final specs for the cars. Let us know, please. We can wait for "real" perfomance figures for a couple more weeks. Let us see an official spec list--most of us are to want to add something or another to it. I'm planning on a fire extinguisher & a cargo net, if I can find one that makes sense.