MINI Cooper S with John Cooper Works G_P Tuning Kit

[Brynster]

Quote: Originally Posted by LMB

Yeah I got the impression it came from the top. Dunno I just didn't see the point to be honest after what I've seen. 'Yes' the production model will most likely differ, I have heard some +ve improvements, however, after sleeping on it I think this gave me the perfect opportunity to bail out.

I love the Mini I've got, it's still as new, only done 15,000 in two years. I am just going to keep it and see how the next gen Mini pans out.

What positive things have you heard? Pls., share....

[LMB]

Quote: Originally Posted by Brynster

What positive things have you heard? Pls., share....

Just from Paul's report.

[Tonyt3]

Well, after the underwellming Works GP reports, and deciding that what I've got is probably better for me already, i think I've cured my 'Works GP' dissapointment....

As many of you know, my Works has a bit mor ethan most, around 230bhp, thanks to a trip to GT Tuning... Larger diameter crank pulley, racey manifold, and a very agressive ECU remap. Definatly what the doctor orderred, and highly recommended. And I get to keep the back seat that I actually need as I have more than 2 people in my family!!!

So is it lightweigh - well, not really, but I recemtly lost around 24lbs by dieting, which wasn't too hard considering the Works GP only loses 44lbs.

Heres my answer to the winter blues and the dissapointing Works GP - The Works GT. Haven't numbered the roof yet as that would seem a tadge pretentious...

[Wobert]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonyt3

Well, after the underwellming Works GP reports, and deciding that what I've got is probably better for me already, i think I've cured my 'Works GP' dissapointment....

As many of you know, my Works has a bit mor ethan most, around 230bhp, thanks to a trip to GT Tuning... Larger diameter crank pulley, racey manifold, and a very agressive ECU remap. Definatly what the doctor orderred, and highly recommended. And I get to keep the back seat that I actually need as I have more than 2 people in my family!!!

So is it lightweigh - well, not really, but I recemtly lost around 24lbs by dieting, which wasn't too hard considering the Works GP only loses 44lbs.

Heres my answer to the winter blues and the dissapointing Works GP - The Works GT. Haven't numbered the roof yet as that would seem a tadge pretentious...

Er....it's 40kg lost on the GP.....which is 88.36lbs.......

[Tonyt3]

Quote: Originally Posted by wobert123

Er....it's 40kg lost on the GP.....which is 88.36lbs.......

True.

But, its gotta be easier to lose 40kg from a car that weight over 1250kgs that it is to lose 24lbs from a 210lb body....

[Wobert]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonyt3

True.

But, its gotta be easier to lose 40kg from a car that weight over 1250kgs that it is to lose 24lbs from a 210lb body....

See my post above.......other than ditching "heavy" options like the a/c & CD player / speakers, it's not as easy as you'd think.......a lot of the items on my list would require quite a bit of engineering to change, then there's validation too......I guess you'd be talking 6 months to implement the changes properly for fullscale production.....

[Brynster]

I'm going off the idea. I reckon a turbocharged "S" should come out just in time to treat myself on my 60th birthday, and I'll go for that.

[Tonyt3]

Quote: Originally Posted by wobert123

See my post above.......other than ditching "heavy" options like the a/c & CD player / speakers, it's not as easy as you'd think.......a lot of the items on my list would require quite a bit of engineering to change, then there's validation too......I guess you'd be talking 6 months to implement the changes properly for fullscale production.....

That is true enough, however, first rumours of the LW were made public in January this year, and it does not achieve delivery until September/October next year.

Time enough to get it right, me thinks.

Anyway, I can still lose another 24lbs in the time until delivery, without having to resort to surgery.

[wibbly]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonyt3

That is true enough, however, first rumours of the LW were made public in January this year, and it does not achieve delivery until September/October next year.

Ah yes, but were the rumours from MINI themselves or other people, and have people on MINI forums stirred themselves into a state of frenzy thinking that the special edition end of line car would be a lightweight car... I've never seen anything official from BMW to suggest this

I think a lot of peoples disappointment over the GP is just down to over active imaginations as to what the car may have been like, not what it was likely to be like... an easy but very dangerous mistake to make

[Wobert]

Quote: Originally Posted by wibbly

Ah yes, but were the rumours from MINI themselves or other people, and have people on MINI forums stirred themselves into a state of frenzy thinking that the special edition end of line car would be a lightweight car... I've never seen anything official from BMW to suggest this

I think a lot of peoples disappointment over the GP is just down to over active imaginations as to what the car may have been like, not what it was likely to be like... an easy but very dangerous mistake to make

The words "Hit", "Nail", "Head", "The" and "On" spring to mind.....

TBH most car manufacturers are guilty of engineering their own "scoops" at times......when I was at Lotus, we used to regularly drive cars out of the gate, knowing full well that there was a photographer hidden in the bushes opposite to "scoop" some pics of whatever it was that was being driven.

It serves the manufacturers well to release some advance publicity ahead of launch, that way they achieve pre-orders for upto the first 12 months of production, take the ELise for example........at launch Lotus already had 18 months worth of orders in their hand......so it does pay dividends....

The slight danger is, that if what is released, is not what people were expecting, then it may have the opposite effect.......

[Tonyt3]

Quote: Originally Posted by wobert123

The words "Hit", "Nail", "Head", "The" and "On" spring to mind.....

TBH most car manufacturers are guilty of engineering their own "scoops" at times......when I was at Lotus, we used to regularly drive cars out of the gate, knowing full well that there was a photographer hidden in the bushes opposite to "scoop" some pics of whatever it was that was being driven.

It serves the manufacturers well to release some advance publicity ahead of launch, that way they achieve pre-orders for upto the first 12 months of production, take the ELise for example........at launch Lotus already had 18 months worth of orders in their hand......so it does pay dividends....

The slight danger is, that if what is released, is not what people were expecting, then it may have the opposite effect.......

Your first point was that they usually need x amount of time to develop such a solution - I was just pointing out that the development time had been there with abundance.

Lets face it - if any other car manufacturer had said they were redeveloping the power output of one of their cars for a limited edition special, for their flagship model, and then only delivered less than 8bhp more, well, quite frankly, we'd say they were "havin a laff".

[Tonyt3]

Quote: Originally Posted by wibbly

Ah yes, but were the rumours from MINI themselves or other people, and have people on MINI forums stirred themselves into a state of frenzy thinking that the special edition end of line car would be a lightweight car... I've never seen anything official from BMW to suggest this

I think a lot of peoples disappointment over the GP is just down to over active imaginations as to what the car may have been like, not what it was likely to be like... an easy but very dangerous mistake to make

The date on post No 1 of this thread is 10th January 2005. Author of the post is some chap callad Paul Mullett. I've yet to see anything to suggest he starts rumors not based on more than tittle tattle.

[wibbly]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonyt3

The date on post No 1 of this thread is 10th January 2005. Author of the post is some chap callad Paul Mullett. I've yet to see anything to suggest he starts rumors not based on more than tittle tattle.

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[Paul]

The information on this car came from various sources inside BMW and those working with BMW. However, none of them (to my knowledge) were in marketing/press/PR, which is where the compromising decisions mostly appear to have come from. I feel that those working on the car wanted more lightweight, power, and less gloss, whereas those selling the car, wanted something quite the opposite.

You only have to look at the predictions I've made, regarding the facelift, LSD, factory John Cooper Works, and many (and varied) other things that have all come to pass as predicted to see that I don't just make this stuff up, unlike a lot of the media! I've no copy to sell so don't have to let my imagination run wild, or print stuff that comes from any old Tom, ****, or Harry, in order to increase my "cover appeal", or whatever.

Considering we had information over this car in January, it's announced late October, and wont start being delivered until July next year, I think we've done pretty well. All the lightweight rumours appeared to have started here, so I guess we're to blame for the fact that many places picked up the idea and ran wild with it!

[Brynster]

C'mon, don't beat yourself up, Paul. The GP might not be VERY light - but it IS a lighter special edition - and BMW/MINI have made a big deal out of the fact that they've tried to make it so. They've made more capital out of the lightness/aero benefits than the fact that it's 8hp more than a JCW. So, 'respect' for M2, say I The speculation has been great entertainment and there's still a chance that the GP will be: A) a future classic and B) a bargain.