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post #31 of 80 (permalink) Old Oct 28th, 2003, 06:26 PM
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I dunno tho'. The 206 is about the same size.......

Mini back in WRC...now there's a thought.
But to homologate 206, Peugeot made the GT version with great bumpers!


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if you want 4x4 you needn't get a BINI get a real mini drop in a golf vr6 engine in place of the backseats and strengthen everything else - would cost nowhere near as much and would go like stink!!!

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In mexico a mini is racing class N2

and is making really well.

see it for your self

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WRC is out of the question because the Mini is too small...
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The only car FWD V8 that i known is Lancia Thema 8.32 powered by Ferrari 328 engine. And it's a **** of car!
Cadillac (a GM brand) Deville has had a fwd v8 (4.6ltr) for years. Was advertised as the most powerfull fwd car in existance for a while.
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I just read an article in the new magazine GoMini about the heavily modded, blue, Cooper S, and apparently the owner is currently working on a mind-meld between an Audi Quattro drivetrain, and a Cooper S.

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The MINI Wagon variant mentioned in another thread adds 250mm to the length. Still not enough by about 175mm but if that works then there is no reason you couldn't extend it further.

MINI Cooper Cabrio: now the car with go cart handling really feels like an open go cart!
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Canada Mike Cooper and some four wheel drive minis...

From a Globe and Mail article by Brian Harper, on the MINI event at the Col de Turini (Mike Cooper in attendance):

"Some of us think BMW should commit the Mini to a season of competing in the WRC. Mike Cooper says he can put together a team of 360hp, four-wheel drive versions and campaign them for $80 million (repotedly what Citroen is spending to compete this year)"

In case you missed it first time round:

"360hp, four wheel drive"

Now THAT would be worth seeing...

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United-States AWD Mini

How about an AWD Toyota Celica or Eagle Talon trans and rear diff?
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Let's not forget the new generation R56 coming soon! It's supposedly longer and will introduce the new, lighter, more powerful BMW/PSA engines. With the new car might come a floorpan and drivetrain that could be designed from the beginning with an AWD model in mind. I hear WRC!!!
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Let's not forget the new generation R56 coming soon! It's supposedly longer and will introduce the new, lighter, more powerful BMW/PSA engines. With the new car might come a floorpan and drivetrain that could be designed from the beginning with an AWD model in mind. I hear WRC!!!
And at the same time as making the Mini cheaper....sure they will



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There may be an easier way...if you are an EE

I have been working with a leading robotics firm, and we have been toying with high torque DC brushless pancake motors. They are small enough that you could stuff them into the wheels of a MINI, and power them from some sort of internal battery bank. Using a good planetary gearbox and a custom hub, you could power the rear wheels directly... Or you could stuff it into the battery compartment area, and use small stub shafts to power them together...

It wouldn't be true 4WD, but it would be ON-Demand 4WD. With some electronics and some good electrical engineering you could basically make a hybrid electric 4WD system.

Mitsubishi's new concept car (supposedly a replacement for the Eclipse) uses a similar system, they call it E-boost.

It is probably the best system in a car as small as the MINI...no driveshaft to bother the floorpan, just wires.

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And at the same time as making the Mini cheaper....sure they will

All I'm saying is let's not forget a new model is comming out with new potential. With a roadster, wagon, and god knows what else, planned for that chassis, who knows?!! Sure, an AWD version won't be at the bottom of the price lists, but it is still possible to make one all the same.

Besides, VW has the Haldex AWD version of the Golf and that thing is built no better than a toaster!
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All I'm saying is let's not forget a new model is comming out with new potential. With a roadster, wagon, and god knows what else, planned for that chassis, who knows?!! Sure, an AWD version won't be at the bottom of the price lists, but it is still possible to make one all the same.

Besides, VW has the Haldex AWD version of the Golf and that thing is built no better than a toaster!
All i am saying is with the added expense of R&D costs, manufacturing costs, tooling costs combined with limited marked demand i can't see it being viable.

The Golf platform is also used by Audi, which is designed to accept a 4x4 powertrain. The platform is also used in by Seat and Skoda so economies of scale swallow the development and manufacturing cost. Sadly Mini do not have the same volume sales to justify it.

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All i am saying is with the added expense of R&D costs, manufacturing costs, tooling costs combined with limited marked demand i can't see it being viable.

The Golf platform is also used by Audi, which is designed to accept a 4x4 powertrain. The platform is also used in by Seat and Skoda so economies of scale swallow the development and manufacturing cost. Sadly Mini do not have the same volume sales to justify it.

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Agreed and you can buy a VWR32 for not much more than a tricked up MCS 200+ HP, 4 Motion ina Golf body/frame....

As far as a WRC MINI -- I have Pro Rallied in a Suzuki Swift, and little cars bounce you up and down a whole lot more .... tough on the competitors
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I just read a (dutch) article about BMW supported testing of a 4x4 MINI Cooper S by Getrag (known from the gearboxes).
It says the BMW development guy Goschel was impressed after driving the prototype.

Autoweek MINI 4x4 article
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