[MrDurst]

I think BMW should really play their cards carefully with this engine issue. The sound of French mechanics doesn't fill me with confidence, however the K-series sounds a damn good idea.

[ButtonIt]

I'd hate to see my next MINI with the same engine as a Saxo or 206.

[bigbaddaboom]

My Saxo 1.6 16v engine is a very good engine thanks. It loves to be rev'd freely and apart from the odd occasional idle flutter has never missed a beat. As far as I'm concerned the Tritec engine is neither better nor worse than it.

[Tone]

Quote:

Originally posted by ButtonIt
I'd hate to see my next MINI with the same engine as a Saxo or 206.

Sure looks like it's gonna happen - but don't hold your breadth - the current agreement doesn't expire until 2008!

[CanberraCooperS]

I think your all worrying about nothing. Based on all the reports I have read and feedback the Motoring Journalists world wide are getting you wont see a mini in production with a Peugeot/Citroen/BMW 2.0lt for at least 4 to 5 years... by then your current MCS will be an old car.
If your waiting to buy a mini with the new engine... Man you have a long time to wait.
I dont think the engine choice will make or break the character of the car. The automotive industry is moving in the direction of reducing manufacturing costs, so if a good allround engine could be used by various manufactures then WHY NOT????

I am interested to see what engine is in the next version of the Mini... but it wont make me stop buying another one! well unless the car turns to utter crap, but BMW being the group that they are rarely make that sort of mistake.

And if they do stuff up... well there are plenty of other good cars.

[bluesmini]

not trying to be nasty but, i don't think a french made engine will sell in the US. my family goes to france every few years for holiday and has a great time. germany however, is more fun. our friends here have no desire to visit france and question why we do. they are not simple people, they just have no desire to be there.

[Tone]

In today's global economy IMO it doesn't matter a tinker's cuss where the friggin' engine is made, 'cos it's happening, and we'd better stop sticking labels on it

[Basil]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tone

In today's global economy IMO it doesn't matter a tinker's cuss where the friggin' engine is made, 'cos it's happening, and we'd better stop sticking labels on it

Hmmm, I tend to disagree. It will matter to a lot of existing MINI owners (especially Cooper S owners) when it comes to replacement of their current MINI. It may matter less to those buying a MINI for the first time.

I do however find the earlier political argument against a french engine highly amusing given the MINI itself is manufactured by a German company in England..... but then that debate has been broached one or more times before around these boards.......

[Basil]

Quote: Originally Posted by bluesmini

not trying to be nasty but, i don't think a french made engine will sell in the US. my family goes to france every few years for holiday and has a great time. germany however, is more fun. our friends here have no desire to visit france and question why we do. they are not simple people, they just have no desire to be there.

Not many people buy US built cars here either mate.......... but i'm sure it's a lovely place to visit.............

Just kidding, I'm sure you are too.

MINI2 members have become so tolerant.......... amazing.

[Pritch]

The current petrol engines come from Brazil retuned by BMW; the diesels are BMW retuned Toyota Yaris engines...

...the next generation engines will also not be purely French - they will be a collaboration with the aim of mutually saving costs (good for us), with Mini tuning done by BMW to achieve the required characteristics.

It's international and mixed up, but then so is the whole vehicle industry - nothing new there then!

[Tone]

Basil - your post 13th August, first para.

Would be interested to know why you think it might matter to current MCS owners where the next engine is assembled

[Alex le Brit]

I do some teaching at PCI which is the Peugeot Citroen tool building/protoype building company and they're already well on the way towards new BMW/PSA engine, so far on the way in fact that there are a couple of very dodgy looking Coopers running around there with all sorts of holes cut in the bonnets and front bumpers.

As for you guys who don't like the thought of French engine building can I point you in the direction of the World Rally Championship ? A Peugeot 206 seems to be doing quite well there.

Hmm now there's a thought, this engine will go into the 207 as well as the MINI, the 207 will be the replacement for the 307CC as Peugeot's WRC. WRC cars develop 350bhp + and have 4WD................... a Peugeot engined MINI could be quite fun.

PS I just have to add you guys bickering over who builds the engine sounds exactly like us Mini guys bickering over whether a BINI is a worthy successor.

[David B]

The 'beef' with the existing MCS engine is IMHO the lack of low end torque. Don't know how much the Works version changes this, but high insurance stuffs that option for most people. If BMW MINI do go with a new engine it would be good if it could overcome the torque issue, within reason. Pug engines are not too bad albeit French- an English hang up. We Scots always got on with the French! Been in some old 206's and they go! Would rather BMW got over their hang-up that the MINI is doing better than expected and in some quarters out-doing their own cars, and shoe horn one of their own sourced engines into the MINI engine bay. How about a variant on the M series- that would be funny

[Goonery]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tone

Basil - your post 13th August, first para.

Would be interested to know why you think it might matter to current MCS owners where the next engine is assembled

New engine for BMW (MINI) will be built in BMW 4 cyl Engine plant at Hams Hall, (alongside 316,318 units)Coleshill, UK, its jointly designed and developed between BMW and PSA, there will be a number of variants for each company to suit whichever cars they put it in, The BMW input will IMHO make the MINI lump quite a flexible beast. (i.e many tune options )ts not possible to put a 316 sideways in a Mini, all sorts of transaxle and gearbox issues, it wouldnt look like a Mini anymore if they did (A tinyl Hummer perhaps )

[KenL]

Goonery,

What's the latest on when this will go into the MINI?

Ta,
Ken.

[Paul]

Quote: Originally Posted by goonery

New engine for BMW (MINI) will be built in BMW 4 cyl Engine plant at Hams Hall, (alongside 316,318 units)Coleshill, UK, its jointly designed and developed between BMW and PSA, there will be a number of variants for each company to suit whichever cars they put it in, The BMW input will IMHO make the MINI lump quite a flexible beast. (i.e many tune options )ts not possible to put a 316 sideways in a Mini, all sorts of transaxle and gearbox issues, it wouldnt look like a Mini anymore if they did (A tinyl Hummer perhaps )

That's news to me, all the previous information said that BMW would be the main force behind the design, and that it would be built in France by PSA, as they need to bulk of the volume production, be good if it's made at Hams Hall though, more much needed jobs in the industry!

[NEMINI]

Quote: Originally Posted by Basil

Hmmm, I tend to disagree. It will matter to a lot of existing MINI owners (especially Cooper S owners) when it comes to replacement of their current MINI. It may matter less to those buying a MINI for the first time.

Most people didn't seem to concerned about having a Brazilian engine in their MINI's I doubt many will care the new one will be part French. No offense to Brazil or Brazilians but they aren't exactly who comes to mind when thinking anything automobile related. If it works people will be happy, if it makes more torque and power then the current offering people will be even happier.

[DaillestChoP]

im an owner of a peugeot 405 DL here in the states, the car has been holding up pretty well. about this power issue w/ the MC, the engin is small enough as it is....they should try to make the engine as technological as possible to squeeze every amouot of hp and torque out of it and let me tell u, A GODDAMN SINGLE CAM 1.6 ISNT CUTTIN IT!!!! now wut would be smart would be to stick an extra cam in there because TWIN-CAM ENGINS HAVE MORE HP!!!! DUHH!!! so wutever the hell kinda engin they stick in there...it better be twin-cam...and besides, twin-cams just sound better...especially at full throttle

[NEMINI]

twin cam takes up room of which there is none. If you think an MC is underpowered buy an S ... I don't have any issues with the current engine in my MC

[Tone]

goonery -

Respect, but are you able to reveal your sources, please, because (as Paul says) this contradicts all that we know so far ?