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gregc · Sep 16th, 2005, 12:21 AM

Anyone remember that Peugeot POS "Le Car", that they exported to the ol US of A. I can't over that crap. I don't forget. Insult; Injury; worse than a Yugo! I won't buy anything with a Peugeot engine in it.
Garbage~
gregc

snoupi · Sep 18th, 2005, 01:07 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by gregc

Anyone remember that Peugeot POS "Le Car", that they exported to the ol US of A. I can't over that crap. I don't forget. Insult; Injury; worse than a Yugo! I won't buy anything with a Peugeot engine in it.
Garbage~
gregc

That was a Renault.

Renault engine, too.

Buford · Sep 18th, 2005, 02:53 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by gregc

Anyone remember that Peugeot POS "Le Car", that they exported to the ol US of A. I can't over that crap. I don't forget. Insult; Injury; worse than a Yugo! I won't buy anything with a Peugeot engine in it.
Garbage~
gregc

Allright!

Gregc, your my kind of guy!

MCoopS21 · Nov 3rd, 2005, 01:10 AM

So I read in Car and Driver that at the latest auto show (Tokyo maybe?) that I think Citroen had debuted a 3 wheel motorcycle/car/thing with the new Mini engine in it. I'll try to find a link to the car and post it soon. Thought it was pretty interesting.

MCoopS21 · Nov 3rd, 2005, 01:22 AM

Found it:

http://www.peugeot.com/tradition/con...0cup_fiche.htm

If the link doesn't work, search the site for the concept car Peugeot 20Cup. Pretty interesting concept too, I must say. In the "Characteristcs" link it describes the engine as:

"The 1.6 litre 16S petrol injection engine, a fruit of the collaboration between the PSA Peugeot Citroen and BMW Groups, appears for the first time in a Peugeot concept car. This supercharged four-cylinder with a turbo-compressor in this version develops a maximum power of 125 kW and produces torque that can reach 240 Nm. Thanks to its engine, which is still in the prototype stage, the 20Cup has an amazing weight/power ratio: 170hp for under 500kg!"

Looks good.

M1N1GUN · Nov 8th, 2005, 02:14 AM

Cool MCoop, thanks for posting. I actually saw this concept in the Peugeot showroom on the Champs-Elysees whilst on holiday a few months back. I had no idea they were going to put the new BMW/PSA engine in it though. That sounds like the same engine they had planned for the next gen MCS! Wouldn't it be great if the R56 was also uner 500kg

One question though - what do they mean by their; "This supercharged four-cylinder with a turbo-compressor" statement? Sounds like it's twincharged, but it would surely create much more power if that were the case...

Pritch · Nov 8th, 2005, 06:24 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by M1N1GUN

One question though - what do they mean by their; "This supercharged four-cylinder with a turbo-compressor" statement? Sounds like it's twincharged, but it would surely create much more power if that were the case...

What they mean is "This four-cylinder with a turbo-compressor"!!

Tonyt3 · Nov 21st, 2005, 07:39 PM

The BMW/PSA engined car has just featured on 5th gear.

They confirmed the power as 170bhp/240nm torques

Is this news???

Pritch · Nov 21st, 2005, 09:44 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonyt3

They confirmed the power as 170bhp/240nm torques

Is this news???

The torque figure, yes - the power was mentioned a long time ago

Paul · Nov 22nd, 2005, 07:14 AM

We had torque figures a while ago too. Was sure I published them somewhere on here!?

dalboyne · Nov 23rd, 2005, 11:28 AM

Here's an interesting Autoexpress article - it seems that the new engine will have more power in the 207 GTI than in the Cooper S, and it's a simple amtter of tweaking the electronics......

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/62...asts_back.html

Cheers

Ian

Paul · Nov 23rd, 2005, 01:22 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by AutoExpress

Those aggressive looks will be backed up by a muscular powerplant, too. Thanks to the firm's current joint venture with BMW, the 207 GTi will share the same all-new, state-of-the-art 1.6-litre turbocharged direct-injection petrol engine that is set to power the next MINI Cooper S.

But whereas the hottest MINI is likely to make do with 170bhp, the 207 GTi will have in excess of 180bhp, in order to compete with its muscular hot hatch rivals. "It's a simple matter of tweaking the electronics to raise the power," said a spokesman. That much thrust should propel (advert code clipped out)... speed of nearly 140mph.

I wonder who the first aftermarket people to offer that upgrade will be then!

LMB · Nov 23rd, 2005, 02:57 PM

That's a pretty poor powerout for a next gen model. It should be at least 200bhp as standard.

M1N1GUN · Nov 24th, 2005, 06:03 AM

I was pretty disappointed when I got that Auto Express news.

Was under the impression that PSA would be using lesser powered variations, and that the MINI would exclusively retain the highest powered version from earlier Prince articles.
Oh well, may have to upgrade to a pug if the price/performance ratio is too much for the MINI to compete with. (In Australia, at least)

Paul · Nov 24th, 2005, 08:44 AM

I've been saying for a long time not to expect it up too much in terms of power gains. Not that I know anything, honest guv.

Besides, that's the top of the range 207, the top of the range MINI in performance is really the "Works", and that'll be quicker for sure.

Tone · Nov 24th, 2005, 08:58 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by LMB

That's a pretty poor powerout for a next gen model. It should be at least 200bhp as standard.

The reason for this is I guess that BMW expect people like you and me LMB to switch to their Works model - with its higher profit margin, presumably. So we will not be paying around £15/whatever/K but are talking £20K min. This improves their range at a stroke.

badboyzbadboyz · Nov 24th, 2005, 11:35 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by LMB

That's a pretty poor powerout for a next gen model. It should be at least 200bhp as standard.

Yea, I would have liked to have seen a 20-30 bhp gain over the current model. 170 bhp doesn't compete with the current rivals (CTR, clio 182) and they are bringing out newer versions with even more power next year - leaving the MINI further behind. I know the MINI focuses on handling but anybody who has driven the competition will agree that they are also very capable around a twisty section. BMW seem adamant to keep on top with their M series and have raised the standard with the new M5, yet the approach they take on the MINI is very different and much less competitive. In a way the MINI is a victim of its own success.

Paul · Nov 24th, 2005, 11:38 AM

The power figure (BHP at least) has been known for a long time though, why this sense of dismay all of a sudden?

M1N1GUN · Nov 24th, 2005, 12:25 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett

The power figure (BHP at least) has been known for a long time though, why this sense of dismay all of a sudden?

I guess people were just hoping that the original figures were a bit of a teaser - and the fact that another car using the same motor will have more power. And yeah, the JCW will have more power, it will also be MORE expensive.

Tonyt3 · Nov 24th, 2005, 01:21 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett

I've been saying for a long time not to expect it up too much in terms of power gains. Not that I know anything, honest guv.

Besides, that's the top of the range 207, the top of the range MINI in performance is really the "Works", and that'll be quicker for sure.

True, but Mini have had 10,000 Works owners swallow a rather huge bill for what is now the default power output for cars of this sector and size. I certainly won't be doing that again, especially as it won't be seen to be more than whats commonly available for £7k less (next gen Clio Sport - 200bhp?- £13k...? With further discounts probably too...?

Sep 18th, 2005, 01:07 AM	#122 (permalink)
snoupi over WHAT hill??? Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Haverhill, MA, USA Local Time: 08:54 AM Posts: 1,631 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by gregc Anyone remember that Peugeot POS "Le Car", that they exported to the ol US of A. I can't over that crap. I don't forget. Insult; Injury; worse than a Yugo! I won't buy anything with a Peugeot engine in it. Garbage~ gregc That was a Renault. Renault engine, too. -Ruthie's Guest Book - Last edited by snoupi : Sep 18th, 2005 at 01:51 AM.

Sep 18th, 2005, 02:53 PM	#123 (permalink)
Buford Rootin Tootin Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: AMERICA! Local Time: 07:54 AM Posts: 183 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by gregc Anyone remember that Peugeot POS "Le Car", that they exported to the ol US of A. I can't over that crap. I don't forget. Insult; Injury; worse than a Yugo! I won't buy anything with a Peugeot engine in it. Garbage~ gregc Allright! Gregc, your my kind of guy! >>BUFORDFORPRESIDENT!<<

Nov 3rd, 2005, 01:10 AM	#124 (permalink)
MCoopS21 SHRTSTAK is his name... Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Huntington, NY Local Time: 08:54 AM Posts: 26 Offline	So I read in Car and Driver that at the latest auto show (Tokyo maybe?) that I think Citroen had debuted a 3 wheel motorcycle/car/thing with the new Mini engine in it. I'll try to find a link to the car and post it soon. Thought it was pretty interesting. -CE

Nov 3rd, 2005, 01:22 AM	#125 (permalink)
MCoopS21 SHRTSTAK is his name... Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Huntington, NY Local Time: 08:54 AM Posts: 26 Offline	Found it: http://www.peugeot.com/tradition/con...0cup_fiche.htm If the link doesn't work, search the site for the concept car Peugeot 20Cup. Pretty interesting concept too, I must say. In the "Characteristcs" link it describes the engine as: "The 1.6 litre 16S petrol injection engine, a fruit of the collaboration between the PSA Peugeot Citroen and BMW Groups, appears for the first time in a Peugeot concept car. This supercharged four-cylinder with a turbo-compressor in this version develops a maximum power of 125 kW and produces torque that can reach 240 Nm. Thanks to its engine, which is still in the prototype stage, the 20Cup has an amazing weight/power ratio: 170hp for under 500kg!" Looks good. -CE

Nov 8th, 2005, 06:24 AM	#127 (permalink)
Pritch MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: England Local Time: 01:54 PM Posts: 282 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by M1N1GUN One question though - what do they mean by their; "This supercharged four-cylinder with a turbo-compressor" statement? Sounds like it's twincharged, but it would surely create much more power if that were the case... What they mean is "This four-cylinder with a turbo-compressor"!! David 2003 Mini Cooper S - DS/B

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Nov 8th, 2005, 02:14 AM	#126 (permalink)
M1N1GUN Rubber MINI Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Sydney Local Time: 10:54 PM Posts: 117 Offline	Cool MCoop, thanks for posting. I actually saw this concept in the Peugeot showroom on the Champs-Elysees whilst on holiday a few months back. I had no idea they were going to put the new BMW/PSA engine in it though. That sounds like the same engine they had planned for the next gen MCS! Wouldn't it be great if the R56 was also uner 500kg One question though - what do they mean by their; "This supercharged four-cylinder with a turbo-compressor" statement? Sounds like it's twincharged, but it would surely create much more power if that were the case...

Nov 21st, 2005, 07:39 PM	#128 (permalink)
Tonyt3 Track addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hants Local Time: 01:54 PM Posts: 6,257 Offline	The BMW/PSA engined car has just featured on 5th gear. They confirmed the power as 170bhp/240nm torques Is this news??? http://www.mini2.com/forum/models-co...ming-soon.html

Nov 21st, 2005, 09:44 PM	#129 (permalink)
Pritch MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: England Local Time: 01:54 PM Posts: 282 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Tonyt3 They confirmed the power as 170bhp/240nm torques Is this news??? The torque figure, yes - the power was mentioned a long time ago David 2003 Mini Cooper S - DS/B

Nov 22nd, 2005, 07:14 AM	#130 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 01:54 PM Posts: 40,555 Offline	We had torque figures a while ago too. Was sure I published them somewhere on here!?

Nov 23rd, 2005, 11:28 AM	#131 (permalink)
dalboyne Waiting patiently for R57 My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Luxembourg Local Time: 02:54 PM Posts: 1,551 Offline	The new engine - in a Peugeot 207 GTI Here's an interesting Autoexpress article - it seems that the new engine will have more power in the 207 GTI than in the Cooper S, and it's a simple amtter of tweaking the electronics...... http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/62...asts_back.html Cheers Ian

Nov 23rd, 2005, 01:22 PM	#132 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 01:54 PM Posts: 40,555 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by AutoExpress Those aggressive looks will be backed up by a muscular powerplant, too. Thanks to the firm's current joint venture with BMW, the 207 GTi will share the same all-new, state-of-the-art 1.6-litre turbocharged direct-injection petrol engine that is set to power the next MINI Cooper S. But whereas the hottest MINI is likely to make do with 170bhp, the 207 GTi will have in excess of 180bhp, in order to compete with its muscular hot hatch rivals. "It's a simple matter of tweaking the electronics to raise the power," said a spokesman. That much thrust should propel (advert code clipped out)... speed of nearly 140mph. I wonder who the first aftermarket people to offer that upgrade will be then!

Nov 23rd, 2005, 02:57 PM	#133 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 01:54 PM Posts: 24,876 Offline	That's a pretty poor powerout for a next gen model. It should be at least 200bhp as standard. Global Moderator

Nov 24th, 2005, 06:03 AM	#134 (permalink)
M1N1GUN Rubber MINI Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Sydney Local Time: 10:54 PM Posts: 117 Offline	I was pretty disappointed when I got that Auto Express news. Was under the impression that PSA would be using lesser powered variations, and that the MINI would exclusively retain the highest powered version from earlier Prince articles. Oh well, may have to upgrade to a pug if the price/performance ratio is too much for the MINI to compete with. (In Australia, at least)

Nov 24th, 2005, 08:44 AM	#135 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 01:54 PM Posts: 40,555 Offline	I've been saying for a long time not to expect it up too much in terms of power gains. Not that I know anything, honest guv. Besides, that's the top of the range 207, the top of the range MINI in performance is really the "Works", and that'll be quicker for sure.

Nov 24th, 2005, 08:58 AM	#136 (permalink)
Tone MINI2 Master Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Dorset, U.K. Local Time: 01:54 PM Posts: 5,795 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by LMB That's a pretty poor powerout for a next gen model. It should be at least 200bhp as standard. The reason for this is I guess that BMW expect people like you and me LMB to switch to their Works model - with its higher profit margin, presumably. So we will not be paying around £15/whatever/K but are talking £20K min. This improves their range at a stroke. "I get by with a little help from my friends"

Nov 24th, 2005, 11:35 AM	#137 (permalink)
badboyzbadboyz MINI2 Jedi Master Join Date: May 2003 Local Time: 12:54 PM Posts: 1,257 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by LMB That's a pretty poor powerout for a next gen model. It should be at least 200bhp as standard. Yea, I would have liked to have seen a 20-30 bhp gain over the current model. 170 bhp doesn't compete with the current rivals (CTR, clio 182) and they are bringing out newer versions with even more power next year - leaving the MINI further behind. I know the MINI focuses on handling but anybody who has driven the competition will agree that they are also very capable around a twisty section. BMW seem adamant to keep on top with their M series and have raised the standard with the new M5, yet the approach they take on the MINI is very different and much less competitive. In a way the MINI is a victim of its own success.

Nov 24th, 2005, 11:38 AM	#138 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 01:54 PM Posts: 40,555 Offline	The power figure (BHP at least) has been known for a long time though, why this sense of dismay all of a sudden?

Nov 24th, 2005, 12:25 PM	#139 (permalink)
M1N1GUN Rubber MINI Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Sydney Local Time: 10:54 PM Posts: 117 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett The power figure (BHP at least) has been known for a long time though, why this sense of dismay all of a sudden? I guess people were just hoping that the original figures were a bit of a teaser - and the fact that another car using the same motor will have more power. And yeah, the JCW will have more power, it will also be MORE expensive.

Nov 24th, 2005, 01:21 PM	#140 (permalink)
Tonyt3 Track addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hants Local Time: 01:54 PM Posts: 6,257 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett I've been saying for a long time not to expect it up too much in terms of power gains. Not that I know anything, honest guv. Besides, that's the top of the range 207, the top of the range MINI in performance is really the "Works", and that'll be quicker for sure. True, but Mini have had 10,000 Works owners swallow a rather huge bill for what is now the default power output for cars of this sector and size. I certainly won't be doing that again, especially as it won't be seen to be more than whats commonly available for £7k less (next gen Clio Sport - 200bhp?- £13k...? With further discounts probably too...? http://www.mini2.com/forum/models-co...ming-soon.html

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