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thegrommit · Aug 28th, 2002, 03:06 PM

I'm due to pickup my Cooper tomorrow and was told by my dealer that Canadian cars don't come in with a window sticker listing the specs and options on the car. Can any Canadian owners confirm this?

Pamlico · Aug 28th, 2002, 03:18 PM

In the states the window sticker is federally required and is known as a "Monroney sticker".

The MOnroney label shows the base price of that model, including all standard equipment; manufacturer-installed options and their retail prices; transportation or freight charges (also known as destination or delivery charges); and the total manufacturer's suggested retail price. Details about the average fuel economy for the vehicle are required on all cars and light trucks; this information is usually included on the Monroney label, but will sometimes be found on a separate sticker, the EPA [Environmental Protection Agency] Fuel Economy Label. The Monroney label may not be removed by anyone other than the purchaser.

The legislation requiring the sticker is commonly known as the Monroney Law, named after its sponsor in Congress, Almer Stillwell "Mike" Monroney (1902-1980.

I don't believe that such a law exists in Canada and as such there isn't usually a window sticker.

HarryHBMCC · Aug 28th, 2002, 03:36 PM

No sticker there when I picked up mine. There are some things in the car before they get PDI'd (from memory of seeing them on the back lot when I took my test drive back in April) but they weren't detailed with all the options or anything. They obviously would have meant much more to a dealer than to your average joe.

The last two cars I bought... don't recall stickers there either.

Harry

chiph · Aug 28th, 2002, 03:53 PM

Hmmm. I like the Monroney sticker because it lists out everything on the car, so you know exactly what you're buying. HarryIndiBlue, you ought to campaign for a similar informational sheet for Canadian car purchasers.

Chip H.

HarryHBMCC · Aug 28th, 2002, 04:03 PM

Similarily, they don't have to advertise freight, PDI and other costs in the MSRP of the vehicle and it is tough to find out the invoice cost too. Saturn does include the freight and PDI costs, which is confusing as most would assume that you'd still have to add them (and when you actually sign the papers, they still have to break them out). Thus, the advice "don't pay the extra PDI, it is included in the MSRP" also doesn't apply to Canada.

As for campaigning for window stickers, there are more important things I would campaign for if I had time, like people not being allowed to buy bigger vehicles than they need and polluting the world with them, not creating artificial economies with outdated government subsidies, not trying to force other countries to change their governments or put missiles in the sky but oops, this isn't the off topic and banter forum, is it???

Harry

JimMini · Aug 28th, 2002, 04:30 PM

I know where I'm going for legal advise now !

Jim

catalyst · Aug 28th, 2002, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HarryIndiBlue

As for campaigning for window stickers, there are more important things I would campaign for if I had time, like people not being allowed to buy bigger vehicles than they need and polluting the world with them, not creating artificial economies with outdated government subsidies, not trying to force other countries to change their governments or put missiles in the sky but oops, this isn't the off topic and banter forum, is it???

Harry

Harry -

Just an opinion of course (from a like-minded individual), but I'd say those issues should go in the 'Faults and Fixes' forum! LOL

catalyst

Pamlico · Aug 28th, 2002, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JimMini
I know where I'm going for legal advise now !

Jim

Pamlico "The Hammer"

MINIMatthew · Aug 28th, 2002, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pamlico

Pamlico "The Hammer"

You call, Pamlico HAMMERS!

HarryHBMCC · Aug 28th, 2002, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by catalyst

Just an opinion of course (from a like-minded individual), but I'd say those issues should go in the 'Faults and Fixes' forum! LOL
catalyst

Perhaps we need a new "World Faults and Fixes" forum

Harry

Mini1380 · Aug 28th, 2002, 06:01 PM

My dealership in the USA actually removed the 'Monroney sticker' from the car when I picked it up. Of course the salesman knew that I was going to be driving the car for 6-8 hours. I did get a pamplet complete with the VIN# and all of the information normally found on the sticker. I wonder if the dealership actually broke a law or not.

thegrommit · Aug 28th, 2002, 10:53 PM

I'm amused an American got there first - thanks Pamlico

As this is the first time I've bought a car in Canada, I was sceptical when the dealer told me there was no window sticker. I was looking forward to some new cube furniture

Pamlico · Aug 28th, 2002, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by thegrommit
I'm amused an American got there first - thanks Pamlico ....

American yes, but my grandparents were Canadian, I have a lot of Canadian relatives, plus I used to work in Toronto, eh?

DooD · Aug 29th, 2002, 12:00 AM

and as far as i could see...there were NO moonie stickers on the cars at all; however, i did see a few of them with stickers that showed km per litre...but nothing else.

Mr Grean · Aug 29th, 2002, 01:08 PM

MINI Victoria has window stickers on the cars in their lot and showroom with all those details on them. Not sure why other dealers don't have them

Aug 28th, 2002, 03:06 PM	#1
thegrommit MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Where I live? Canada Local Time: 10:18 PM Posts: 343 Offline	Canadians - no window sticker? I'm due to pickup my Cooper tomorrow and was told by my dealer that Canadian cars don't come in with a window sticker listing the specs and options on the car. Can any Canadian owners confirm this?

Aug 28th, 2002, 03:36 PM	#3 (permalink)
HarryHBMCC MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Guelph, Ontario, Can Local Time: 09:18 PM Posts: 2,655 Offline	No sticker there when I picked up mine. There are some things in the car before they get PDI'd (from memory of seeing them on the back lot when I took my test drive back in April) but they weren't detailed with all the options or anything. They obviously would have meant much more to a dealer than to your average joe. The last two cars I bought... don't recall stickers there either. Harry MINI Cooper Cabrio: now the car with go cart handling really feels like an open go cart! "... the only man that can come home at 3 am in the morning without getting into trouble with his spouse is the owner of a British sports car!" -- Phil Bailey

Aug 28th, 2002, 03:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
chiph Spectator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Raleigh, NC Local Time: 10:18 PM Posts: 1,563 Offline	Hmmm. I like the Monroney sticker because it lists out everything on the car, so you know exactly what you're buying. HarryIndiBlue, you ought to campaign for a similar informational sheet for Canadian car purchasers. Chip H. ex-MINI Cooper S owner and all around good-guy

Aug 28th, 2002, 04:03 PM	#5 (permalink)
HarryHBMCC MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Guelph, Ontario, Can Local Time: 09:18 PM Posts: 2,655 Offline	Similarily, they don't have to advertise freight, PDI and other costs in the MSRP of the vehicle and it is tough to find out the invoice cost too. Saturn does include the freight and PDI costs, which is confusing as most would assume that you'd still have to add them (and when you actually sign the papers, they still have to break them out). Thus, the advice "don't pay the extra PDI, it is included in the MSRP" also doesn't apply to Canada. As for campaigning for window stickers, there are more important things I would campaign for if I had time, like people not being allowed to buy bigger vehicles than they need and polluting the world with them, not creating artificial economies with outdated government subsidies, not trying to force other countries to change their governments or put missiles in the sky but oops, this isn't the off topic and banter forum, is it??? Harry MINI Cooper Cabrio: now the car with go cart handling really feels like an open go cart! "... the only man that can come home at 3 am in the morning without getting into trouble with his spouse is the owner of a British sports car!" -- Phil Bailey

Aug 28th, 2002, 04:30 PM	#6 (permalink)
JimMini MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Endicott, NY Local Time: 10:18 PM Posts: 118 Offline	Pamlico = Legal Dept. I know where I'm going for legal advise now ! Jim 2006 Solar Red/Silver Cooper

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Aug 28th, 2002, 03:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
Pamlico Dead Man's Curve? Feh. Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rochester, NY Local Time: 10:18 PM Posts: 1,176 Offline	In the states the window sticker is federally required and is known as a "Monroney sticker". The MOnroney label shows the base price of that model, including all standard equipment; manufacturer-installed options and their retail prices; transportation or freight charges (also known as destination or delivery charges); and the total manufacturer's suggested retail price. Details about the average fuel economy for the vehicle are required on all cars and light trucks; this information is usually included on the Monroney label, but will sometimes be found on a separate sticker, the EPA [Environmental Protection Agency] Fuel Economy Label. The Monroney label may not be removed by anyone other than the purchaser. The legislation requiring the sticker is commonly known as the Monroney Law, named after its sponsor in Congress, Almer Stillwell "Mike" Monroney (1902-1980. I don't believe that such a law exists in Canada and as such there isn't usually a window sticker.

Aug 28th, 2002, 04:36 PM	#7 (permalink)
catalyst MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Flint Hills of Kansas, USA Local Time: 09:18 PM Posts: 128 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by HarryIndiBlue As for campaigning for window stickers, there are more important things I would campaign for if I had time, like people not being allowed to buy bigger vehicles than they need and polluting the world with them, not creating artificial economies with outdated government subsidies, not trying to force other countries to change their governments or put missiles in the sky but oops, this isn't the off topic and banter forum, is it??? Harry Harry - Just an opinion of course (from a like-minded individual), but I'd say those issues should go in the 'Faults and Fixes' forum! LOL catalyst 2002 Pepper White Cooper 5 speed, Black roof w/ spoiler, sunroof, Black kaleido cloth sport seats, silver 7-hole wheels, DSC, front fogs, chrome lines, MFSW, built 8/7, acquired 9/12

Aug 28th, 2002, 05:12 PM	#8 (permalink)
Pamlico Dead Man's Curve? Feh. Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rochester, NY Local Time: 10:18 PM Posts: 1,176 Offline	Re: Pamlico = Legal Dept. Quote: Originally posted by JimMini I know where I'm going for legal advise now ! Jim Pamlico "The Hammer"

Aug 28th, 2002, 05:18 PM	#9 (permalink)
MINIMatthew Prince of Eternia Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ottawa, Ontario Local Time: 09:18 PM Posts: 154 Offline	Re: Re: Pamlico = Legal Dept. Quote: Originally posted by Pamlico Pamlico "The Hammer" You call, Pamlico HAMMERS! MINI Cooper Canadian Launch Edition (#338 of 500) Pure Silver/Black, Heated Sport Seats, 16" Five Spokes, Foglights, Chrome Bumper Inserts and More! Ottawa MINI Club

Aug 28th, 2002, 05:18 PM	#10 (permalink)
HarryHBMCC MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Guelph, Ontario, Can Local Time: 09:18 PM Posts: 2,655 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by catalyst Just an opinion of course (from a like-minded individual), but I'd say those issues should go in the 'Faults and Fixes' forum! LOL catalyst Perhaps we need a new "World Faults and Fixes" forum Harry MINI Cooper Cabrio: now the car with go cart handling really feels like an open go cart! "... the only man that can come home at 3 am in the morning without getting into trouble with his spouse is the owner of a British sports car!" -- Phil Bailey

Aug 28th, 2002, 06:01 PM	#11 (permalink)
Mini1380 Living in Mini Wasteland Join Date: May 2001 Location: Arkansas Local Time: 08:18 PM Posts: 351 Offline	My dealership in the USA actually removed the 'Monroney sticker' from the car when I picked it up. Of course the salesman knew that I was going to be driving the car for 6-8 hours. I did get a pamplet complete with the VIN# and all of the information normally found on the sticker. I wonder if the dealership actually broke a law or not. Sold the Cooper. Now driving the Traveller. I mean Clubman.

Aug 28th, 2002, 10:53 PM	#12 (permalink)
thegrommit MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Where I live? Canada Local Time: 10:18 PM Posts: 343 Offline	I'm amused an American got there first - thanks Pamlico As this is the first time I've bought a car in Canada, I was sceptical when the dealer told me there was no window sticker. I was looking forward to some new cube furniture

Aug 28th, 2002, 11:40 PM	#13 (permalink)
Pamlico Dead Man's Curve? Feh. Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rochester, NY Local Time: 10:18 PM Posts: 1,176 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by thegrommit I'm amused an American got there first - thanks Pamlico .... American yes, but my grandparents were Canadian, I have a lot of Canadian relatives, plus I used to work in Toronto, eh?

Aug 29th, 2002, 12:00 AM	#14 (permalink)
DooD MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Aug 2002 Local Time: 09:18 PM Posts: 6 Offline	Just came back from a dealer... and as far as i could see...there were NO moonie stickers on the cars at all; however, i did see a few of them with stickers that showed km per litre...but nothing else.

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Aug 29th, 2002, 01:08 PM	#15 (permalink)
Mr Grean MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2002 Local Time: 02:18 AM Posts: 85 Offline	MINI Victoria has window stickers on the cars in their lot and showroom with all those details on them. Not sure why other dealers don't have them

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