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Paul · May 11th, 2007, 09:07 AM

"In the 1.4-1.8-litre category, the trophy was awarded jointly to BMW Group and PSA Peugeot Citroen for the 1.6-litre turbo engine in the new MINI Cooper S and Peugeot 207."

From here: BMW (and MINI) Win International Engine of the Year Awards

minicabrio · May 11th, 2007, 09:16 AM

A mightly honours list there for BMW.... congratulations!

I can see now why Peugeot were so keen to 'get into bed' with them!

Paul · May 11th, 2007, 09:18 AM

Added some sales figures too, which also look very strong.

R60 Mike · May 11th, 2007, 09:19 AM

bet they didnt look at my R56 engine or a few others on this site

Paul · May 11th, 2007, 09:26 AM

If you're wondering who what and how, here's some more details.

"In every category, the panelists judged each shortlisted engine using their subjective driving impressions and technical knowledge, and took into account characteristics such as fuel economy, smoothness, performance, noise and driveability. The jurors each had 25 points to spend on their five favourite engines in each class. The maximum points that could be allocated to one engine was restricted to 15, while the minimum reward was one mark. An engine could not be tied for the top slot."

1.4-litre to 1.8-litre

1. BMW-PSA 1.6-litre Turbo (Cooper S, Peugeot 207) 267

2. Toyota Hybrid 1.5-litre (Prius) 251

3. Audi 1.8-litre Turbo FSI (A3) 82

4. Peugeot-Citroën/Ford Diesel 1.6-litre (Fiesta, Ford C-Max, Citroën C4, C4 Picasso C5, Mazda 3, Peugeot 1007, 206, 307, Partner) 74

5. Honda 1.8-litre (Civic, Stream, FR-V) 65

6. Mercedes-Benz 1.8-litre Supercharged (C, SLK, CLK, E) 62

Link: 1.4 to 1.6 category

1-litre to 1.4-litre

1. Volkswagen 1.4-litre FSI (TSI) (VW Golf, Touran, Jetta) 404

2. Honda Hybrid 1.3-litre IMA (Civic) 178

3. Fiat-GM Diesel 1.3-litre (Panda, Grande Punto, IDEA, Doblo, Lancia Ypsilon, Musa, Opel/Vauxhall Agila, Corsa, Astra, Meriva, Tigra, Combo, Suzuki New Ignis) 160

4. Renault 1.2-litre Turbo (Clio) 123

5. Peugeot-Citroën/Ford Diesel 1.4-litre (Citroën C2, C3, Ford Fiesta, Fusion, Mazda 2/Demio, Peugeot 1007, 207, 307) 66

6. BMW-PSA 1.4-litre (MINI One) 56

Link: 1.0 to 1.4 Category

Hat · May 11th, 2007, 09:47 AM

interesting that the only other engine to come close was the toyota hybrid

Paul · May 11th, 2007, 09:52 AM

Amazing the score difference between the top two and those further down the list. The MINI One engine didn't do so well though. And although not listed the Peugeot-Citroën/Ford Diesel must be a version of the one fitted to the MINI?

Ant FR · May 11th, 2007, 10:09 AM

yes the diesel is a Peugeot derived lump.

Funny how everyone assume BMW designed most of the engine when it was actually the other way round. BMW 's only real input was on the cylinder head.

Paul · May 11th, 2007, 10:25 AM

That's how it has been sold to us by BMW/MINI. That BMW were effectively in charge of the technical design of the engine, whereas PSA were also involved, they were mostly there for financial power/production practicality and to "make it fit" to their designs as well as the MINIs.

Hat · May 11th, 2007, 10:25 AM

& the actual manufacture & assembly of the engine

Paul · May 12th, 2007, 08:58 AM

Well, the MINI unit is stuck together in the UK at BMW, the Pug version in France.

Parc77 · May 12th, 2007, 09:27 AM

Just needed a supercharger and it would have won by an even bigger margin

mister.t · May 12th, 2007, 09:49 AM

Great news

The Toyota Hybrid is cack - From friends experience. Very unreliable and coarse. However, the Civic 1.8 is a gem. Sounds good and pulls well. Then theres the Mini engine, which pulls like a steam train, and will be more reliable than a wood burning stove once up and running.

m1m0 · May 12th, 2007, 06:22 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Ollie Tebbutt (original)

Great news

The Toyota Hybrid is cack - From friends experience. Very unreliable and coarse. However, the Civic 1.8 is a gem. Sounds good and pulls well. Then theres the Mini engine, which pulls like a steam train, and will be more reliable than a wood burning stove once up and running.

Makes me proud to own one! And mine not only pulls like a steam train - it sounds like one too.

coopersooper · Jun 3rd, 2007, 07:46 PM

I make this engine day in, day out and we never heard anyting about this award. Were a bit gutted

scone · Jun 3rd, 2007, 08:03 PM

If it makes you feel any better, thank you very much for building my engine its an absolute peach of an engine. Have you started on any of the new energy saving engines yet?

coopersooper · Jun 3rd, 2007, 08:05 PM

Not just yet, weve still got a massive back log to complete. Weve had massive problems with new equipment in the last couple of months. prob explains a few delays

scone · Jun 3rd, 2007, 08:18 PM

Does BMW give you much feedback on how the new car is selling because some people on the site keep saying it is'nt selling well, judging by the fact they never told you making the engine of the year, maybe not?

coopersooper · Jun 3rd, 2007, 08:21 PM

Its doing pretty good considering we can keep up with demand and were always breaking records for how many cars were building per hour. There always making us faster but still have cars coming in so its doing pretty well. The R52 is slowly dyeing off now, which is a god send because they are the hardest engines to make.

scone · Jun 3rd, 2007, 08:29 PM

I take you get a big bonus every time you break the cars per hour record

Have you been with them since the Rover days?

May 11th, 2007, 09:07 AM	#1
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 04:24 AM Posts: 40,555 Offline	MINI Cooper S Engine Wins Engine of the Year Award "In the 1.4-1.8-litre category, the trophy was awarded jointly to BMW Group and PSA Peugeot Citroen for the 1.6-litre turbo engine in the new MINI Cooper S and Peugeot 207." From here: BMW (and MINI) Win International Engine of the Year Awards

May 11th, 2007, 09:26 AM	#5 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 04:24 AM Posts: 40,555 Offline	More details. If you're wondering who what and how, here's some more details. "In every category, the panelists judged each shortlisted engine using their subjective driving impressions and technical knowledge, and took into account characteristics such as fuel economy, smoothness, performance, noise and driveability. The jurors each had 25 points to spend on their five favourite engines in each class. The maximum points that could be allocated to one engine was restricted to 15, while the minimum reward was one mark. An engine could not be tied for the top slot." 1.4-litre to 1.8-litre 1. BMW-PSA 1.6-litre Turbo (Cooper S, Peugeot 207) 267 2. Toyota Hybrid 1.5-litre (Prius) 251 3. Audi 1.8-litre Turbo FSI (A3) 82 4. Peugeot-Citroën/Ford Diesel 1.6-litre (Fiesta, Ford C-Max, Citroën C4, C4 Picasso C5, Mazda 3, Peugeot 1007, 206, 307, Partner) 74 5. Honda 1.8-litre (Civic, Stream, FR-V) 65 6. Mercedes-Benz 1.8-litre Supercharged (C, SLK, CLK, E) 62 Link: 1.4 to 1.6 category 1-litre to 1.4-litre 1. Volkswagen 1.4-litre FSI (TSI) (VW Golf, Touran, Jetta) 404 2. Honda Hybrid 1.3-litre IMA (Civic) 178 3. Fiat-GM Diesel 1.3-litre (Panda, Grande Punto, IDEA, Doblo, Lancia Ypsilon, Musa, Opel/Vauxhall Agila, Corsa, Astra, Meriva, Tigra, Combo, Suzuki New Ignis) 160 4. Renault 1.2-litre Turbo (Clio) 123 5. Peugeot-Citroën/Ford Diesel 1.4-litre (Citroën C2, C3, Ford Fiesta, Fusion, Mazda 2/Demio, Peugeot 1007, 207, 307) 66 6. BMW-PSA 1.4-litre (MINI One) 56 Link: 1.0 to 1.4 Category

May 12th, 2007, 09:49 AM	#13 (permalink)
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May 11th, 2007, 09:16 AM	#2 (permalink)
minicabrio Back in a MINI Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hampshire Local Time: 04:24 AM Posts: 15,028 Offline	A mightly honours list there for BMW.... congratulations! I can see now why Peugeot were so keen to 'get into bed' with them!

May 11th, 2007, 09:18 AM	#3 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 04:24 AM Posts: 40,555 Offline	Added some sales figures too, which also look very strong.

May 11th, 2007, 09:19 AM	#4 (permalink)
R60 Mike MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Sidcup, kent Local Time: 04:24 AM Posts: 183 Offline	bet they didnt look at my R56 engine or a few others on this site

May 11th, 2007, 09:47 AM	#6 (permalink)
Hat cook pass babtridge My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2002 Local Time: 04:24 AM Posts: 15,800 Offline	interesting that the only other engine to come close was the toyota hybrid

May 11th, 2007, 09:52 AM	#7 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 04:24 AM Posts: 40,555 Offline	Amazing the score difference between the top two and those further down the list. The MINI One engine didn't do so well though. And although not listed the Peugeot-Citroën/Ford Diesel must be a version of the one fitted to the MINI?

May 11th, 2007, 10:09 AM	#8 (permalink)
Ant FR MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2006 Local Time: 04:24 AM Posts: 1,843 Offline	yes the diesel is a Peugeot derived lump. Funny how everyone assume BMW designed most of the engine when it was actually the other way round. BMW 's only real input was on the cylinder head.

May 11th, 2007, 10:25 AM	#9 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 04:24 AM Posts: 40,555 Offline	That's how it has been sold to us by BMW/MINI. That BMW were effectively in charge of the technical design of the engine, whereas PSA were also involved, they were mostly there for financial power/production practicality and to "make it fit" to their designs as well as the MINIs.

May 11th, 2007, 10:25 AM	#10 (permalink)
Hat cook pass babtridge My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2002 Local Time: 04:24 AM Posts: 15,800 Offline	& the actual manufacture & assembly of the engine

May 12th, 2007, 08:58 AM	#11 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 04:24 AM Posts: 40,555 Offline	Well, the MINI unit is stuck together in the UK at BMW, the Pug version in France.

May 12th, 2007, 09:27 AM	#12 (permalink)
Parc77 MINI2 Master Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Yorkshire Local Time: 04:24 AM Posts: 2,368 Offline	Just needed a supercharger and it would have won by an even bigger margin

May 12th, 2007, 06:22 PM	#14 (permalink)
m1m0 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Cardiff Local Time: 04:24 AM Posts: 211 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Ollie Tebbutt (original) Great news The Toyota Hybrid is cack - From friends experience. Very unreliable and coarse. However, the Civic 1.8 is a gem. Sounds good and pulls well. Then theres the Mini engine, which pulls like a steam train, and will be more reliable than a wood burning stove once up and running. Makes me proud to own one! And mine not only pulls like a steam train - it sounds like one too.

Jun 3rd, 2007, 07:46 PM	#15 (permalink)
coopersooper MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Banbury Local Time: 04:24 AM Posts: 75 Offline	I make this engine day in, day out and we never heard anyting about this award. Were a bit gutted

Jun 3rd, 2007, 08:03 PM	#16 (permalink)
scone MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2004 Location: Winsford,Cheshire Local Time: 04:24 AM Posts: 168 Offline	If it makes you feel any better, thank you very much for building my engine its an absolute peach of an engine. Have you started on any of the new energy saving engines yet?

Jun 3rd, 2007, 08:05 PM	#17 (permalink)
coopersooper MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Banbury Local Time: 04:24 AM Posts: 75 Offline	Not just yet, weve still got a massive back log to complete. Weve had massive problems with new equipment in the last couple of months. prob explains a few delays

Jun 3rd, 2007, 08:18 PM	#18 (permalink)
scone MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2004 Location: Winsford,Cheshire Local Time: 04:24 AM Posts: 168 Offline	Does BMW give you much feedback on how the new car is selling because some people on the site keep saying it is'nt selling well, judging by the fact they never told you making the engine of the year, maybe not?

Jun 3rd, 2007, 08:21 PM	#19 (permalink)
coopersooper MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Banbury Local Time: 04:24 AM Posts: 75 Offline	Its doing pretty good considering we can keep up with demand and were always breaking records for how many cars were building per hour. There always making us faster but still have cars coming in so its doing pretty well. The R52 is slowly dyeing off now, which is a god send because they are the hardest engines to make.

Jun 3rd, 2007, 08:29 PM	#20 (permalink)
scone MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2004 Location: Winsford,Cheshire Local Time: 04:24 AM Posts: 168 Offline	I take you get a big bonus every time you break the cars per hour record Have you been with them since the Rover days?

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