[minimike7]

Hi all

quick question, does an M3 engine fit in a mini like this guy claims on max power.

Max Power | Airborne Mini -----
Posted by plumber60 on 30/07/2007 18:11:12

If so it would surely fit in all minis from a one to a GP etc?

I don't think it would, but if anybody knows different? maybe if somebody has done it?

[:: Jon ::]

not in the front...

there is an M3 engine'd MINI around on the race track.. but the engine is in the rear!!

[Roofas]

Those are pics of a NAMers' mini and according to him Airborne have only done cosmetic changes to the car

MINI COOPER :: North American Motoring - Airborne MINI - Almost finished! COOL pics

[minicabrio]

An M3 engine will not (easily) fit in the MINI Engine bay. The engine bay itself is not long enough to house an inline six-cylinder without removing the majority of the bulkhead/dashboard! Hence why the M3-engined MINI is rear-mounted

With regard to 300hp being a 'walk in the park' - that depends on how much cash you're willing to throw at it. Anyone can make an engine produce 300hp, but the key is producing it reliably and keeping it manageable. Until MINI Mania release their oversized supercharger kit, I can't really see this being a walk in the park.

Some people should think before they comment

[Paul]

These guys did it ages ago: http://www.mini2.com/2002/04/21/team...rt-and-images/

Slightly modified appearance though.

[minicabrio]

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett (original)

These guys did it ages ago: http://www.mini2.com/2002/04/21/team...rt-and-images/

Slightly modified appearance though.

Quite a lot has been stripped away there to make it fit - the front crash member and bumber seemed to have been removed, as has part of the bulkhead

[Paul]

So it's a bit of a shoehorn job () but it can be done.

[minicabrio]

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett (original)

So it's a bit of a shoehorn job () but it can be done.

Oh yes, it can be done

They've actually done a very good job there, if you look at the wheel position, the engine still sits behind the front axle which means this should still have a very sharp turn in. Audi could learn a thing or two from this

Mind you, it sounds as though the sharp turn in, and M3 power to the rear wheels in such a short wheelbase was proving to be a handful

[Tonyt3]

Quote: Originally Posted by minicabrio (original)

With regard to 300hp being a 'walk in the park' - that depends on how much cash you're willing to throw at it. Anyone can make an engine produce 300hp, but the key is producing it reliably and keeping it manageable. Until MINI Mania release their oversized supercharger kit, I can't really see this being a walk in the park.

Some people should think before they comment

The moron that made that comment is a complete tool. He refers to "300bhp from a supercharged engine" being simple, yet makes no refernce to cubic capacity of the engine being supercharged.

[Richard Crofts]

There is one but its rear wheel drive and mid/rear engined (german race car)

I cant see one fitting in the front!

PS.....if you stroke the engine of a MINI (difficult but possible) then 300 from a scharger is easy If you dont then until the charger is a bigger and more efficient one then the MINI will never reach 300 on an scharger alone

[Bhozar]

Quote: Originally Posted by Richard Crofts (original)

There is one but its rear wheel drive and mid/rear engined (german race car)

I cant see one fitting in the front!

PS.....if you stroke the engine of a MINI (difficult but possible) then 300 from a scharger is easy If you dont then until the charger is a bigger and more efficient one then the MINI will never reach 300 on an scharger alone

A stock Eaton wont, but the Eaton 62, Opcon or Rotrex superchargers should hit 300bhp.

[Richard Crofts]

Depends on what you stroke it to my man and what else you do to it....in terms of bolt on bolt off then no the stock eaton would not do it even on a stroked engine IMO ... but go to mega bucks on various other mods including full independant ecus etc then it might (not saying it will last long but it would probably do it) ....but I am willing to have people shout that down

But I'll bust your head on facebook if you do Bhozy!

[Bhozar]

Quote: Originally Posted by Richard Crofts (original)

Depends on what you stroke it to my man and what else you do to it....in terms of bolt on bolt off then no the stock eaton would not do it even on a stroked engine IMO ... but go to mega bucks on various other mods including full independant ecus etc then it might (not saying it will last long but it would probably do it) ....but I am willing to have people shout that down

But I'll bust your head on facebook if you do Bhozy!

I'll happily put a bet down that we will see cars with all three of those options running 300bhp within the next 6 months on the 1.6L engine without increased displacement.

[Tonyt3]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bhozar (original)

I'll happily put a bet down that we will see cars with all three of those options running 300bhp within the next 6 months on the 1.6L engine without increased displacement.

'Stroking' and engine DOES increase its displacement!!!! I think you mean 'without increasing the bore'.

A stroker motor is an engine that utilizes a different crank to achieve more displacement with the same engine block. An engine fitted with an altered crankshaft that has a larger stroke increases the engine's size without increasing the size of the block.

Stroker Motors Explained - Stroker Engines | FordMuscle.com

[Bhozar]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonyt3 (original)

'Stroking' and engine DOES increase its displacement!!!! I think you mean 'without increasing the bore'.

A stroker motor is an engine that utilizes a different crank to achieve more displacement with the same engine block. An engine fitted with an altered crankshaft that has a larger stroke increases the engine's size without increasing the size of the block.

Stroker Motors Explained - Stroker Engines | FordMuscle.com

If a stroker kit has been fitted its still increasing displacement. Increasing bore does the same. The two together can give you much bigger displacement, upto 2.0L up from the standard 1.6L.

So I said exactly what I mean. I reckon we will see 300bhp from those new charger kits with just the 1.6L engine.

[MINIMANIAUK]

M3 engine retro fit would be ££££££ and probably not worth it ,Bhozar would have a fairly safe bet on the 300 bhp alternatives on a stock 1.6 , the opcon yes ,the rotrex yes,the M62 -no.

if you ignore capacity ,rpm and boost levels will dictate the bhp, the higher the rpm and boost the more power,increase ,both these increased will reduce the longevity of the engine , and bring in a world of problems principly heat.
The M62 is not efficient enough,larger yes,but still boost restriced in pressure,and consumes too much power to run giving fewer gains despite having more volume of air produced.
racing coopers have made 228 bhp, with the N/A engine but @ 11000rpm and at great expense,not real practical for the road.
A larger engine always has the potential for greater output, but just how much power is needed from a small car,with light weight?
300bhp /1.6 is always going to be pushing the engine, and far from easy,and or cheap