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mab01uk · Aug 27th, 2007, 09:55 AM

No big government announcements were made but it has been legal to run a diesel vehicle on vegetable/ cooking oil since 30th June 2007 without paying any fuel duty as long as you use less than 2500 litres per annum, (over 20,000 miles at 40mpg......... from 9p a litre).

Vegetable oil - the new diesel

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wincakes · Aug 29th, 2007, 08:50 AM

My mates got a citroen Xantia that he's bought to do an Eastern European Banger Ralley!! Thats runs on vegetable oil!!! It runs like a bag of nails tho....but then I don't think thats got anything to do with the vegetable oil!!! LOL

dalboyne · Aug 30th, 2007, 10:13 AM

Very interesting article, there! But no reply from anyone who can confirm (or deny) that the BMW/Peugeot engine can happily run on "chip-shop oil"?

Ian

ALD0 · Aug 30th, 2007, 10:42 AM

Well it doesn't run properly on Bio Diesel so very unlikely it will run on vegetable oil!
I wouldn't like to try it!

Bhozar · Aug 30th, 2007, 12:21 PM

I know the problem with some VAG engines was the fuel pump they used when running it on oil. The Bosch(I think) fuel pump used on the 1.9PD engine would have problems on cold days with the oil thickening up if you had more than 35% oil:diesel mixture in it. Not sure if this will have anything to do with Biofuel.

beken · Aug 30th, 2007, 06:15 PM

If it's a diesel motor, then it should be able to run on bio diesel (not straight vegetable oil). A friend of mine has equipment in his home to convert used cooking oil to bio diesel to run his van. He says it costs him $4.00CDN a month to run his van. He gets used cooking oil from McDonalds, Chinese restaurants and fish n chip shops for free...

I would not be able to confirm if a MINI D will run using bio diesel, though.

Good luck with it.

JAMIE1131 · Aug 30th, 2007, 06:28 PM

The problem is normally one of two things: 1)waxing up when cold and poor start performance, or 2) Wearing out the pump pretty quicky, veg oil and bio-diesel are not as good a lubricant as good old fossil diesel. If your gonna try buy a knackered old fiesta, don't try it on your MINI!

CC07ERS · Aug 30th, 2007, 06:48 PM

you need to add some derv to the mix to thin down the veg oil , or run on red derv lol

ALD0 · Aug 30th, 2007, 07:59 PM

Red Derv is good!

Fevs · Aug 30th, 2007, 08:10 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by CC07ERS (original)

or run on red derv lol

Quote: Originally Posted by ALD0 (original)

Red Derv is good!

Cracking stuff same as normal derv just a shame when the minerstry get hold of ya you lose your car and get well and truley shafted

ALD0 · Aug 30th, 2007, 08:13 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Fevs (original)

Cracking stuff same as normal derv just a shame when the minerstry get hold of ya you lose your car and get well and truley shafted

Yep!
Sometimes just a big fine instead though!

Fevs · Aug 30th, 2007, 08:16 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by ALD0 (original)

Yep!
Sometimes just a big fine instead though!

you willing to take that risk i sure as hell aint

David King · Aug 30th, 2007, 09:28 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by winceyette (original)

My mates got a citroen Xantia that he's bought to do an Eastern European Banger Ralley!!

My mates doing that. He bought a Rover 216 and put Chrome spinner hub caps on, and a 'PIMP' badge on the back.

mab01uk · Aug 31st, 2007, 06:41 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by winceyette (original)

My mates got a citroen Xantia that he's bought to do an Eastern European Banger Ralley!! Thats runs on vegetable oil!!! It runs like a bag of nails tho....but then I don't think thats got anything to do with the vegetable oil!!! LOL

Passed several old bangers taking part in the Ramshackle Rally when I was driving down to Italy last month

Ramshackle Rally

On the Mercedes forums quite a few people seem to be running even quite modern diesels on veg oil but most have a small separate tank for pure diesel which is used only for starting and cold running then switch over to veg oil or various mixes of veg oil / diesel when warmed up.

dalboyne · Aug 31st, 2007, 08:42 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by JAMIE1131 (original)

If your gonna try buy a knackered old fiesta, don't try it on your MINI!

Actually, since the MINI D is either a Toyota 1.4 or a Peugeot 1.6 diesel motor, you should go for an old one of their cars, surely??

Aug 27th, 2007, 09:55 AM	#1
mab01uk MINI2 Senior Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: London Local Time: 05:14 PM Posts: 695 Offline	Will MINI Diesel run on tax free vegetable oil? No big government announcements were made but it has been legal to run a diesel vehicle on vegetable/ cooking oil since 30th June 2007 without paying any fuel duty as long as you use less than 2500 litres per annum, (over 20,000 miles at 40mpg......... from 9p a litre). Vegetable oil - the new diesel DieselVeg

Aug 29th, 2007, 08:50 AM	#2 (permalink)
wincakes LOONEY!! My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: yorkshire Local Time: 04:14 PM Posts: 2,665 Offline	My mates got a citroen Xantia that he's bought to do an Eastern European Banger Ralley!! Thats runs on vegetable oil!!! It runs like a bag of nails tho....but then I don't think thats got anything to do with the vegetable oil!!! LOL ALTHOUGH SHE NEEDS A BIT OF GUIDANCE, LESLEY WILL BE MY BIATCH FOR NOW...!

Aug 30th, 2007, 06:15 PM	#6 (permalink)
beken 05 MCS BEP Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Delta, BC, Canada Local Time: 09:14 AM Posts: 1,211 Offline	If it's a diesel motor, then it should be able to run on bio diesel (not straight vegetable oil). A friend of mine has equipment in his home to convert used cooking oil to bio diesel to run his van. He says it costs him $4.00CDN a month to run his van. He gets used cooking oil from McDonalds, Chinese restaurants and fish n chip shops for free... I would not be able to confirm if a MINI D will run using bio diesel, though. Good luck with it. 05MCS BEP - Alta 22mm rear anti-swaybar, Madness CAI, (15% pulley soon to be installed)

Aug 30th, 2007, 08:10 PM	#10 (permalink)
Fevs heading north !!!! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: on the move Local Time: 05:14 PM Posts: 8,929 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by CC07ERS (original) or run on red derv lol Quote: Originally Posted by ALD0 (original) Red Derv is good! Cracking stuff same as normal derv just a shame when the minerstry get hold of ya you lose your car and get well and truley shafted Global motivator

Aug 30th, 2007, 08:16 PM	#12 (permalink)
Fevs heading north !!!! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: on the move Local Time: 05:14 PM Posts: 8,929 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by ALD0 (original) Yep! Sometimes just a big fine instead though! you willing to take that risk i sure as hell aint Global motivator

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Aug 30th, 2007, 10:13 AM	#3 (permalink)
dalboyne R57? Bring it on! My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Luxembourg Local Time: 06:14 PM Posts: 1,724 Online	Very interesting article, there! But no reply from anyone who can confirm (or deny) that the BMW/Peugeot engine can happily run on "chip-shop oil"? Ian

Aug 30th, 2007, 10:42 AM	#4 (permalink)
ALD0 Hacking the IBUS Join Date: Jun 2003 Local Time: 05:14 PM Posts: 9,528 Offline	Well it doesn't run properly on Bio Diesel so very unlikely it will run on vegetable oil! I wouldn't like to try it!

Aug 30th, 2007, 12:21 PM	#5 (permalink)
Bhozar Overly excited!! My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Worcestershire Local Time: 05:14 PM Posts: 1,264 Offline	I know the problem with some VAG engines was the fuel pump they used when running it on oil. The Bosch(I think) fuel pump used on the 1.9PD engine would have problems on cold days with the oil thickening up if you had more than 35% oil:diesel mixture in it. Not sure if this will have anything to do with Biofuel.

Aug 30th, 2007, 06:28 PM	#7 (permalink)
JAMIE1131 MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Earl Shilton, Leics. Local Time: 05:14 PM Posts: 792 Offline	The problem is normally one of two things: 1)waxing up when cold and poor start performance, or 2) Wearing out the pump pretty quicky, veg oil and bio-diesel are not as good a lubricant as good old fossil diesel. If your gonna try buy a knackered old fiesta, don't try it on your MINI!

Aug 30th, 2007, 06:48 PM	#8 (permalink)
CC07ERS TYPE R GT VTEC POWERED My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Type R GT Local Time: 05:14 PM Posts: 2,763 Offline	you need to add some derv to the mix to thin down the veg oil , or run on red derv lol

Aug 30th, 2007, 07:59 PM	#9 (permalink)
ALD0 Hacking the IBUS Join Date: Jun 2003 Local Time: 05:14 PM Posts: 9,528 Offline	Red Derv is good!

Aug 30th, 2007, 08:13 PM	#11 (permalink)
ALD0 Hacking the IBUS Join Date: Jun 2003 Local Time: 05:14 PM Posts: 9,528 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Fevs (original) Cracking stuff same as normal derv just a shame when the minerstry get hold of ya you lose your car and get well and truley shafted Yep! Sometimes just a big fine instead though!

Aug 30th, 2007, 09:28 PM	#13 (permalink)
David King Miss Independent My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Beds Local Time: 05:14 PM Posts: 775 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by winceyette (original) My mates got a citroen Xantia that he's bought to do an Eastern European Banger Ralley!! My mates doing that. He bought a Rover 216 and put Chrome spinner hub caps on, and a 'PIMP' badge on the back.

Aug 31st, 2007, 06:41 AM	#14 (permalink)
mab01uk MINI2 Senior Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: London Local Time: 05:14 PM Posts: 695 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by winceyette (original) My mates got a citroen Xantia that he's bought to do an Eastern European Banger Ralley!! Thats runs on vegetable oil!!! It runs like a bag of nails tho....but then I don't think thats got anything to do with the vegetable oil!!! LOL Passed several old bangers taking part in the Ramshackle Rally when I was driving down to Italy last month Ramshackle Rally On the Mercedes forums quite a few people seem to be running even quite modern diesels on veg oil but most have a small separate tank for pure diesel which is used only for starting and cold running then switch over to veg oil or various mixes of veg oil / diesel when warmed up.

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Aug 31st, 2007, 08:42 AM	#15 (permalink)
dalboyne R57? Bring it on! My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Luxembourg Local Time: 06:14 PM Posts: 1,724 Online	Quote: Originally Posted by JAMIE1131 (original) If your gonna try buy a knackered old fiesta, don't try it on your MINI! Actually, since the MINI D is either a Toyota 1.4 or a Peugeot 1.6 diesel motor, you should go for an old one of their cars, surely??

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