[sel]

....Take them for a spin in it.....they'll soon change their minds....
never underestimate the power of a MINI!!

[iain cooper]

Quote: Originally Posted by Step_7 (original)

But they both have 4 NCAP (5 for an R56) stars why do you feel that the Range Rover occupant will come off best?

Not trying to start an argument BTW, just curious!

one of the reasons is the Landrover occupants are sitting up above the crash impact level, the mini occupants take it on the chin.

another reason is the sheer weight/mass of the Landrover ( laws of physics, etc )

but the main reason is actual experience which I have, having owned and driven both vehicles, and please take it from me...........if your are going to hit something do not make it a Landrover !!!

[Mike Clarke]

Quote: Originally Posted by iain cooper (original)

one of the reasons is the Landrover occupants are sitting up above the crash impact level, the mini occupants take it on the chin.

another reason is the sheer weight/mass of the Landrover ( laws of physics, etc )

but the main reason is actual experience which I have, having owned and driven both vehicles, and please take it from me...........if your are going to hit something do not make it a Landrover !!!

There is somethimg amiss in this line of reasoning.
While the laws of physics suggest that in a 2 vehicle collision the smaller vehicle will suffer more damage this is not always the case in the real world as small and large vehicles are not just scaled versions of each other.
Comparative safety is not about what happens if a MINI and a Landrover collide but rather what happens to a MINI or a Landrover when each is in a collision with another vehicle, say a Jeep Cherokee, travelling at the same speed and colliding at the same angle. Does the MINI or the Landrover provide better protection for the occupants?

[yellowmininy]

I don't know about the Land Rover rollover rate, but in the US SUV rollovers are much more common than in small cars like the Mini, because of the height/width ratio. I don't think Minis have been around long enough for a comparison of the injury rate from accidents, compared to SUVs, but I suspect the Mini injury rate is slightly less.

I'm not sure that an SUV would necessarily hold up better on impact than a Mini.

[stuvoi]

Quote: Originally Posted by iain cooper (original)

one of the reasons is the Landrover occupants are sitting up above the crash impact level, the mini occupants take it on the chin.

another reason is the sheer weight/mass of the Landrover ( laws of physics, etc )

but the main reason is actual experience which I have, having owned and driven both vehicles, and please take it from me...........if your are going to hit something do not make it a Landrover !!!

but it's not just the weight of the vehicle, it's how the body takes the impact (crumple zones) and how it deflects the force of the impact., angle of impact, respective speeds (My wife had a Fiat uno, hit in the rear by a Mondeo a few years back - low spped accident, the Uno - not a scratch, the Mondeo, lights broken, bonnet bent, numberplate cracked. Big vs Small?

(Going to the 5th Gear test that was mentioned by Paul on a thread linked to this one on the previous page- New Modus versus old Volvo - the passengers in the modus would have come out unscathed versus serious injuries in the Volvo, due to the way in which the Modus handled the impact - something the R56 should cope with too and it's because of all the "safety" features that are built into cars of different sizes that you cannot really know the result unless it actually happens.

I don't think there are any certainties in life (except the old taxes and dying saying), so you just do the things you can to minimise the likelihood of being hurt (Wearing a seatbelt, making sure your tyres are "legal", inflated properly, avoid having lots of "objects" in the car that can fly around and hit you, drive within your limites, expect everyone else is not driving within theirs, don't have the dangly air freshners on the mirror (they just smell bad) and if you do have an accident then fingers crossed

Stu

[walk0080]

I agree with other posters... the size and weight of the vehicles are just two of many other factors
that must be taken into account during collisions. You cannot simply assume occupants in an SUV will have fewer injuries than those in a smaller car.

This is not a test between a Land Rover, but the results of a Cooper and an F150 pickup truck hitting the same barrier. The truck is significantly heavier than the Cooper:
(I cannot yet post URLs, less than 5 posts, so search Google for "bridger crash testing ford mini cooper" will work).

I also find it a little scary that some people have the mindset that they should drive SUVs so that they incur less injuries to themselves while presumably causing sever injuries to others during a collision.

Anyways, I would be very interested in seeing test results of a head-on collision with a recent Mini Cooper and Land Rover - has read about seen such a test being done?