[simeds]

Quote: Originally Posted by drumzz (original)

to slag off young drivers with fast/nice cars is just plain rude, u may not call it jealousy, but im sure if u were 18 and had a cooper s u wouldnt say no. im 18, have a cooper s, touchwood havent got into an accident. and just because you are older doesnt mean you are a better driver, there are hundreds of 17/18year olds that know how to drive a car better/safer than many 40+ year olds.

sorry to hear about the car yasser, just hope you've learnt a lesson.

at the age of 40 + I agree there are probably lots of safer 18 year old drivers than me. The ones who drive slowly and carefully in cars that arn't high performance and who are aware that it takes a certain amount of time on the road to gain EXPERIENCE spring to mind. They also havn't maybe learnt any bad habits yet. They're not likely to have accidents that are their fault.

Those who are so confident that they're really good drives cos they've driven a performance car fast for a year without crashing........ well..... errr........

Lets face it, insurance is based on statistics. My mcs insurance is £320 , whats the average for an 18 year old.

[Fin]

Quote: Originally Posted by drumzz (original)

to slag off young drivers with fast/nice cars is just plain rude, u may not call it jealousy, but im sure if u were 18 and had a cooper s u wouldnt say no. im 18, have a cooper s, touchwood havent got into an accident. and just because you are older doesnt mean you are a better driver, there are hundreds of 17/18year olds that know how to drive a car better/safer than many 40+ year olds.

sorry to hear about the car yasser, just hope you've learnt a lesson.

Nobody is 'slagging off' Yasser for being a young driver with a fast nice car (or young drivers in general). He is being criticized for driving like a complete idiot. You can be an idiot at any age. Consider that Yasser may have been driving like that on a 60mph A road in the UK. You, being a good driver are pootling along in your MCS at 55-60mph around a gentle bend. Yasser is coming the other way at 95mph looking behind him to see his friend. He loses control and ends up on your side of the road and your going to collide at ~150mph. Game over. Do not pass go, do not collect £200.

[MINI-Morgan]

Bet you wished you hadnt of posted that now. Ah well! Hope you learn from it

I think its more that you werent concentrating on the road than your speed but that was a little excessive too. Also if you had runflats too then when they break grip in the wet at that speed you are done for.....

I have done silly stuff too like loosing a car at well over the motorway speed limit due to brake failure. Yes the car broke but still I was going too quick to be able to do too much about it. If you live then you really should learn......

Enough said really!

[MINI-Morgan]

P.s. It doesnt matter how old or how fast the car is..... you see all kinds of things on the roads from everyone. Maybe 10year testing really is the way to go??

[femstar]

Quote: Originally Posted by Fin (original)

Never around a corner in the wet with other traffic around

Agreed but I doubt any UK Court would take that in to consideration, 95 is still 95, moterway, bend, dry, wet or straight all I'm saying is yep this guy was has been a total ****, but everyone seems to be very quick to judge and take the moral high ground. Speeds like this are against the law and there is no justification or mitigation for it at all.

Yep there are time when you just would'nt do 95mph like in this case, but then others may consider 95mph on a dry deserted motorway totally unacceptable too - as it is still clearly against the law. That's why the law is there so it's not a subjective decison, so as I eluded to in my 1st post let this be a reminder/warning to us ALL especially to anyone who on occasion flouts the speed limits.

[Fin]

Quote: Originally Posted by femstar (original)

Agreed but I doubt any UK Court would take that in to consideration, 95 is still 95, moterway, bend, dry, wet or straight all I'm saying is yep this guy was has been a total ****, but everyone seems to be very quick to judge and take the moral high ground. Speeds like this are against the law and there is no justification or mitigation for it at all.

Yep there are time when you just would'nt do 95mph like in this case, but then others may consider 95mph on a dry deserted motorway totally unacceptable too - as it is still clearly against the law. That's why the law is there so it's not a subjective decison, so as I eluded to in my 1st post let this be a reminder/warning to us ALL especially to anyone who on occasion flouts the speed limits.

While I agree that 95mph in either situation is illegal and cannot be condoned, 95mph in Yasser's case is more dangerous (in comparison with the scenario of driving at 95mph late on an an empty dry motorway). A Policeman who pulled you over for the latter would issue you a fixed penalty notice, give you a lecture on not speeding, and may point out that 1mph more and you'd be in court. Yasser should be done for dangerous driving, not just speeding.

I have no problem with people speeding on an empty motorway because they are not endangering anyone else. If they are caught doing it, then fair cop. This was not the case with Yasser; he was endangering other road users, which is why I believe everybody here has come out to berate him.

[mab01uk]

Quote: Originally Posted by Darthbladerni (original)

Anyone here of the 18 y/o with the m5 in america?

Yes, it was on the Mercedes Forum I also use (video is after the sponsors message below):-

Greystone Fatal Crash

Five young men died in 2008 BMW M5 in January in Florida USA..................

[Darthbladerni]

Quote: Originally Posted by mab01uk (original)

Yes, it was on the Mercedes Forum I also use (video is after the sponsors message below):-

Greystone Fatal Crash

Five young men died in 2008 BMW M5 in January in Florida USA..................

terrible accident!!! such a loss but once again, with a car like that at that age it is harder to stop the urge to stop putting the foot down.

[Goonery]

Quote: Originally Posted by mab01uk (original)

Yes, it was on the Mercedes Forum I also use (video is after the sponsors message below):-

Greystone Fatal Crash

Five young men died in 2008 BMW M5 in January in Florida USA..................

The previous day ....

"a posting appeared on a BMW owners forum from an 18 yr old called Josh. He said he drove a 500hp BMW M5 and spoke of going pedal to the metal pushing 140..."

the very next day same driver made big news by flying off the end of a runway and hitting a tree.

Same guy . but he had 4 friends in the car

And I'm sorry to disagree but it was no accident, he probably did not mean it to happen, but accident.....

[supa-dupa-cooper]

Quote: Originally Posted by Goonery (original)

The previous day ....

"a posting appeared on a BMW owners forum from an 18 yr old called Josh. He said he drove a 500hp BMW M5 and spoke of going pedal to the metal pushing 140..."

the very next day same driver made big news by flying off the end of a runway and hitting a tree.

Same guy . but he had 4 friends in the car

And I'm sorry to disagree but it was no accident, he probably did not mean it to happen, but accident.....

That is just awful, absolutly awful!!!

These people just dont think about what damage they might cause!! That one single 18yr old didnt just mess up his life, but his whole families lives, let alone the poor passengers and their families

Ive been in a car as a passenger, going at speeds I didnt want to be, but when the driver doesnt listen to requests to slow down, and they dont seem to realise or care what would happen if there was a crash - makes me sick! I wasnt the only passenger to have been scared in said car, and eventually there was an accident on a seperate occasion - these people get exactly what is coming to them, its just a shame it has to affect so many other people, through lack of care, respect and maturity!

Rant over

[I love MINI, Laura]

All I can say is....

OMG!

How terrible that you would have such blatent disregard for the roads, your life and other people! And then to basically come onto this forum to brag about living through it. I am saddened that a MINI was wasted to prove your lack of maturity.

[uncle albert]

Ah well, thanks for showing me that darkened headlights do suit Hyper Blue - can put that on me to-do list now!

[Darthbladerni]

Quote: Originally Posted by Goonery (original)

The previous day ....

"a posting appeared on a BMW owners forum from an 18 yr old called Josh. He said he drove a 500hp BMW M5 and spoke of going pedal to the metal pushing 140..."

the very next day same driver made big news by flying off the end of a runway and hitting a tree.

Same guy . but he had 4 friends in the car

And I'm sorry to disagree but it was no accident, he probably did not mean it to happen, but accident.....

true it was no accident. I mean 18 y/o, four friends in the car at 3/4 in the morning and with drink in their system is bad news. The speed they wood have been going they would not have seen the end of the runway, hence the skidmarks. It was terrible though.

[Handsy]

Well what can i say. Its wet, your doing over 90mph, your looking behind you, coming up to a corner and no concentration....... Post it here and brag. Well i dont quite know what went through your mind when you decided to do that but imm glad you have. This is a lesson to learn from, and i think all drivers young and old should look at this and think twice.

i have been racing since i was 11. Starting in karts to progress in to single seater race cars. I know that even what i do 95mph round a wet corner takes a considerable amount of concentration and driving skill.

Im 23 and classed as a young driver, i have owned 10 cars since i was 17 including a golf gti, impreza, bmw 325ci m sport and now a mcs and touch wood never had an accident. You cant put all young drivers in the same boat, and im not suggesting anyone here is proposing that, its just an opinion. I must agree though pepople like this hive all us young drivers a bad name and high insurance premiums..... Thanks guys

[85NIXMIN]

I'm goin' to reward myself with an "S" for being such a good driver at a young age!
Now where's my "S" cabrio?

[Richard Crofts]

Urrr .... Not your most glorious moment, and not really the best idea (looking at a mate in the back is bad enough, but when at 95mph ?!!?!??! WTF ?!!?) you've ever had

Glad you and others OK, but chap you were very lucky and need to get a clue on how to drive properly. I don't have an issue with speed, or young drivers, but at least concentrate if your over the limit!

[lespurgeon]

Very sorry for the crash, but as others have said - you did rather set yourself up for it to happen.

On one of the side topics, shile there are many good young drivers, and many poor older drivers (my mother for example backs into things at low speed all the time), there are fewer truely unsafe older drivers for two reasons: 1) Either they learn a few lessons and imporve theri driving, or 2) they don't survive to become older bad drivers.

I had a bad judgement (but not high-speed) accident when I was 18 - nobody hurt, but 2 cars dented. I hope that there is a lesson learned here.

[BRG/Blk Cooper S]

Hi all..
Whilst I don't wish to detract from any of the discussion that has resulted in the original post - in fact I agree with most of the comments, I would like to ask the Mods what is going on with Mini 2??

It seems these days there is an over zealous approach in editing and splitting up discussions that don't "personally" appeal to or upset the egos of certain Mods, yet here is a post about a potentially fatal accident at illegal speeds and it remains on the forum despite being clearly against the rules of Mini 2.

Has this forum really deteriorated to such an extent??

Cheers, Geoff.

[Fin]

This thread started as a 'look at the pics of the damage to my MINI' type of thread, and it was only later that it was found out that the damage was as a result of illegal driving. The fact that we have all come out to voice our opinions against Yasser's actions (and that he crashed while speeding) leads to this thread being one that does not promote speeding, and therefore remains within the site guidelines.

I for one am glad that this thread is allowed to remain open and uncensored, and I don't think it is a sign of forum deterioration.

[Handsy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Fin (original)

This thread started as a 'look at the pics of the damage to my MINI' type of thread, and it was only later that it was found out that the damage was as a result of illegal driving. The fact that we have all come out to voice our opinions against Yasser's actions (and that he crashed while speeding) leads to this thread being one that does not promote speeding, and therefore remains within the site guidelines.

I for one am glad that this thread is allowed to remain open and uncensored, and I don't think it is a sign of forum deterioration.

Well said, and i totally agree.......