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billy.batson · Mar 6th, 2008, 02:37 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by faster,Tobias! (original)

When I first heard the rumour of a Triumph rebirth last year, I must admit I thought it the best news I had heard in ages. If BMW do the same stellar job with a new Triumph as they did with the MINI it should be a fantastic product. But I feel strongly that it needs to be built in Britain if it is going to gain acceptance as a legitimate heir to the Triumph name.

I also feel strongly that a Triumph would need to be built in Britain, even if many parts were made abroad. Like the MINI, or for that matter Rolls-Royce, it is largely the iconic Britishness that is the pedigree which sells the car (a major reason the Chinese insist on at least some MG assembly at Longbridge).

In last week's CAR Magazine, (which I bought because of the terrific front cover featuring the new John Cooper Works MINIs), in the column headed COMING SOON which lists forthcoming models, surprise, surprise!! we read "TRIUMPH TR : 2010" So TR it likely will be (a good point by step_7 "will the Germans make something called Spitfire!! Well, Britons bought Heinkels and Messerschmidts in the 1950s!)

BMW have publicly stated that they intend to launch a 4th brand to add to BMW, MINI and Rolls-Royce. They own the Triumph and Riley marques, having disposed of the others when they sold Rover. Under the then MD a few years it was even considered to reintroduce Riley and even some mock-up pictures were published. Surely after all these years Riley has very little international recognition, unlike Triumph.

dalboyne · Mar 6th, 2008, 02:43 PM

Since Germany is one of the nations in the Eurofighter project, and the plane is being called the "Typhoon", then I don't see why there should be any real objection to an iconic name like "Spitfire".........and anyway, if the main market is to be the USA and the UK, I suppose they could always call it something else for the domestic German market.......

Paul · Mar 6th, 2008, 02:44 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by mab01uk (original)

Does the country of manufacture matter to buyers anymore?...................the new Fiat 500 is built in Poland but it hasn't harmed sales or acceptance, even in Italy.

Perhaps they're not as Xenophobics as Britons?

dalboyne · Mar 6th, 2008, 02:47 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul (original)

Perhaps they're not as Xenophobics as Britons?

I thought most of the Poles are now working in UK anyway, so does it really matter where they build the cars, just so long as they are built properly (not a claim that could be applied to several old British marques!!!)

Paul · Mar 6th, 2008, 04:34 PM

Aston Martins are now also going to be produced in Austria, along with MINIs... the World's gone mad, mad I tell ya.....

JAMIE1131 · Mar 6th, 2008, 05:45 PM

personally I couldn't care less where a car is built, its more where its designed that gives it character, hence I don't think its a problem that Aston's designed in the Midlands are manufactured abroad, a Triumph designed in Munich wouldn't be British if it was handmade by the royal family in Windsor castle!

Paul · Mar 6th, 2008, 05:46 PM

I dunno, they way they move, it's like they're alive... It's the start of the revolution...

NeuroBeaker · Mar 6th, 2008, 06:09 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by pappillon (original)

I think you'll find most MINI owners here are not scared of xenons

Sometimes the mere thought of them keeps me awake at night...

dalboyne · Mar 6th, 2008, 06:34 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul (original)

Aston Martins are now also going to be produced in Austria, along with MINIs... the World's gone mad, mad I tell ya.....

So we'll see James Bond in a MINI one day?

Capsaisin · Mar 6th, 2008, 07:07 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by ARCrawford (original)

Sometimes the mere thought of them keeps me awake at night...

Don't worry, because of it's much higher ionisation potential it's a lot less dangerous than Green Kryptonite. Take it from me.

On the subject of Triumph. Any British Triumph car would IMO obviously be a continuation of the TR range. If it's going to be a "retro", then it will be based on the TR4 shape.
I can't imagine they would progress on from the TR7/8 shape, although again IMO the TR8 arguably had the best engine of the lot of them. Imagine a supercharger (or two) on that!!

As a "closet" Triumph fan I can't wait to see it.

NeuroBeaker · Mar 6th, 2008, 10:37 PM

You know, with all this talk about Triumphs, I should probably mention that my Dad actually just bought one about 2 weeks ago.

I don't think he'd mind me putting the picture up so, for all of you 'closet' Triumph fans out there, here it is:

1961 Triumph TR3A

MINImeat · Mar 6th, 2008, 11:00 PM

Now THAT'S a British car.

dlpruk · Mar 7th, 2008, 12:30 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by ARCrawford (original)

You know, with all this talk about Triumphs, I should probably mention that my Dad actually just bought one about 2 weeks ago.

I don't think he'd mind me putting the picture up so, for all of you 'closet' Triumph fans out there, here it is:

1961 Triumph TR3A

Now that engine in a Morgan Plus 4 and you're really talking! (Those were the days!

)

Step_7 · Mar 7th, 2008, 09:29 AM

Gorgeous car! Apparently my dad had one of those before I was born and had to get rid of it to get a "family" car. I think he's still bitter about it!

river27 · Mar 7th, 2008, 10:30 PM

That's a great car ARCrawford!

Now if BMW could come up with something like that for the 21st century...

Well, I would be in the queue!

Goonery · Mar 7th, 2008, 10:48 PM

the thing is it really is not difficult to come up with a car that looks drop dead gorgeous, the hard part is to make it pedestrian friendly. Thats why the R56......................

dalboyne · Mar 8th, 2008, 06:28 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Goonery (original)

the thing is it really is not difficult to come up with a car that looks drop dead gorgeous, the hard part is to make it pedestrian friendly. Thats why the R56......................

Ok - and just how many pedestrians have been hit by cars in the UK in the last year? (then deduct those where the pedestrian was at fault).

I have a gut feeling that massive expense has been incurred throughout the motor indusry t make all new cars more pedestrian-friendly, when the actual number of pedesrian related accidents is not that huge.......

I'd be happy to be corrected - anyone got any figures?

(Sorry if this has deviated a bit from the Triumph story).

Ian

billy.batson · Mar 8th, 2008, 11:59 AM

Further on the subject of additional brands from the BMW stable, whilst Triumph seems to be the front runner, CAR Magazine is now speculating that BMW will re-introduce the Isetta brand with a new small car at the Geneva Motor Show. This seems rather unlikely...or does it?

We remember the Isetta as a tiny three-wheeler (though it had 4 wheels in Germany).

Anyhow I thought Isetta was a brand owned by the Italian ISO company, did BMW acquire that firm I wonder.

Step_7 · Mar 8th, 2008, 12:38 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by dalboyne (original)

Ok - and just how many pedestrians have been hit by cars in the UK in the last year? (then deduct those where the pedestrian was at fault).

Whilst I generally agree with you and I remember reading that about 30% of pedestrian accidents are to do with alcohol consumption by the pedestrian

the laying of blame on the pedestrian is not always the easy way out.

If, god forbid, I had an accident where I hit a child REGARDLESS of who is at fault, I would rather the car had been engineered so that child had the best possible chance of survival.

NeuroBeaker · Mar 8th, 2008, 10:25 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Step_7 (original)

If, god forbid, I had an accident where I hit a child REGARDLESS of who is at fault, I would rather the car had been engineered so that child had the best possible chance of survival.

Agreed!

Mar 6th, 2008, 02:37 PM	#21
billy.batson MINI2 Regular Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Yorkshire, England Local Time: 01:21 AM Posts: 164 Offline	Build in Britain Quote: Originally Posted by faster,Tobias! (original) When I first heard the rumour of a Triumph rebirth last year, I must admit I thought it the best news I had heard in ages. If BMW do the same stellar job with a new Triumph as they did with the MINI it should be a fantastic product. But I feel strongly that it needs to be built in Britain if it is going to gain acceptance as a legitimate heir to the Triumph name. I also feel strongly that a Triumph would need to be built in Britain, even if many parts were made abroad. Like the MINI, or for that matter Rolls-Royce, it is largely the iconic Britishness that is the pedigree which sells the car (a major reason the Chinese insist on at least some MG assembly at Longbridge). In last week's CAR Magazine, (which I bought because of the terrific front cover featuring the new John Cooper Works MINIs), in the column headed COMING SOON which lists forthcoming models, surprise, surprise!! we read "TRIUMPH TR : 2010" So TR it likely will be (a good point by step_7 "will the Germans make something called Spitfire!! Well, Britons bought Heinkels and Messerschmidts in the 1950s!) BMW have publicly stated that they intend to launch a 4th brand to add to BMW, MINI and Rolls-Royce. They own the Triumph and Riley marques, having disposed of the others when they sold Rover. Under the then MD a few years it was even considered to reintroduce Riley and even some mock-up pictures were published. Surely after all these years Riley has very little international recognition, unlike Triumph. Last edited by billy.batson : Mar 8th, 2008 at 11:52 AM.

Mar 6th, 2008, 02:43 PM	#22 (permalink)
dalboyne Are we nearly there yet? My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Luxembourg Local Time: 02:21 AM Posts: 1,908 Offline	Since Germany is one of the nations in the Eurofighter project, and the plane is being called the "Typhoon", then I don't see why there should be any real objection to an iconic name like "Spitfire".........and anyway, if the main market is to be the USA and the UK, I suppose they could always call it something else for the domestic German market....... *No R57D until 2010?*

Mar 6th, 2008, 02:44 PM	#23 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 01:21 AM Posts: 40,356 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by mab01uk (original) Does the country of manufacture matter to buyers anymore?...................the new Fiat 500 is built in Poland but it hasn't harmed sales or acceptance, even in Italy. Perhaps they're not as Xenophobics as Britons? Our trials and tribulations living in a "bleeding edge" eco house... Oxley Woods Living

Mar 6th, 2008, 02:47 PM	#24 (permalink)
dalboyne Are we nearly there yet? My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Luxembourg Local Time: 02:21 AM Posts: 1,908 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul (original) Perhaps they're not as Xenophobics as Britons? I thought most of the Poles are now working in UK anyway, so does it really matter where they build the cars, just so long as they are built properly (not a claim that could be applied to several old British marques!!!) *No R57D until 2010?*

Mar 6th, 2008, 04:34 PM	#25 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 01:21 AM Posts: 40,356 Offline	Aston Martins are now also going to be produced in Austria, along with MINIs... the World's gone mad, mad I tell ya..... Our trials and tribulations living in a "bleeding edge" eco house... Oxley Woods Living

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Mar 6th, 2008, 05:45 PM	#26 (permalink)
JAMIE1131 MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Earl Shilton, Leics. Local Time: 02:21 AM Posts: 792 Offline	personally I couldn't care less where a car is built, its more where its designed that gives it character, hence I don't think its a problem that Aston's designed in the Midlands are manufactured abroad, a Triumph designed in Munich wouldn't be British if it was handmade by the royal family in Windsor castle!

Mar 6th, 2008, 05:46 PM	#27 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 01:21 AM Posts: 40,356 Offline	I dunno, they way they move, it's like they're alive... It's the start of the revolution... Our trials and tribulations living in a "bleeding edge" eco house... Oxley Woods Living

Mar 6th, 2008, 06:09 PM	#28 (permalink)
NeuroBeaker Must.. keep... smiling... Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Behind the wheel Local Time: 01:21 AM Posts: 6,444 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by pappillon (original) I think you'll find most MINI owners here are not scared of xenons Sometimes the mere thought of them keeps me awake at night... NeuroBeaker - Proud owner of "Zeus" (a 'slightly modified' 2004 MINI ONE). *WARNING!* Thesis writing in progress. Experiments continue. Multi-tasking? Explosion imminent!

Mar 6th, 2008, 06:34 PM	#29 (permalink)
dalboyne Are we nearly there yet? My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Luxembourg Local Time: 02:21 AM Posts: 1,908 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul (original) Aston Martins are now also going to be produced in Austria, along with MINIs... the World's gone mad, mad I tell ya..... So we'll see James Bond in a MINI one day? *No R57D until 2010?*

Mar 6th, 2008, 07:07 PM	#30 (permalink)
Capsaisin cave capsicum Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Crewe Local Time: 02:21 AM Posts: 3,364 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by ARCrawford (original) Sometimes the mere thought of them keeps me awake at night... Don't worry, because of it's much higher ionisation potential it's a lot less dangerous than Green Kryptonite. Take it from me. On the subject of Triumph. Any British Triumph car would IMO obviously be a continuation of the TR range. If it's going to be a "retro", then it will be based on the TR4 shape. I can't imagine they would progress on from the TR7/8 shape, although again IMO the TR8 arguably had the best engine of the lot of them. Imagine a supercharger (or two) on that!! As a "closet" Triumph fan I can't wait to see it.

Mar 6th, 2008, 10:37 PM	#31 (permalink)
NeuroBeaker Must.. keep... smiling... Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Behind the wheel Local Time: 01:21 AM Posts: 6,444 Offline	You know, with all this talk about Triumphs, I should probably mention that my Dad actually just bought one about 2 weeks ago. I don't think he'd mind me putting the picture up so, for all of you 'closet' Triumph fans out there, here it is: 1961 Triumph TR3A Attached Thumbnails NeuroBeaker - Proud owner of "Zeus" (a 'slightly modified' 2004 MINI ONE). *WARNING!* Thesis writing in progress. Experiments continue. Multi-tasking? Explosion imminent!

Mar 6th, 2008, 11:00 PM	#32 (permalink)
MINImeat MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Memphis, Tennessee, USA Local Time: 07:21 PM Posts: 995 Offline	Now THAT'S a British car. MINImeat B/W MCS

Mar 7th, 2008, 12:30 AM	#33 (permalink)
dlpruk MINI2 Senior Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Nottinghamshire Local Time: 01:21 AM Posts: 388 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by ARCrawford (original) You know, with all this talk about Triumphs, I should probably mention that my Dad actually just bought one about 2 weeks ago. I don't think he'd mind me putting the picture up so, for all of you 'closet' Triumph fans out there, here it is: 1961 Triumph TR3A Now that engine in a Morgan Plus 4 and you're really talking! (Those were the days!) David

Mar 7th, 2008, 09:29 AM	#34 (permalink)
Step_7 Whining.... My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Antrim, Northern Ire Local Time: 01:21 AM Posts: 1,763 Offline	Gorgeous car! Apparently my dad had one of those before I was born and had to get rid of it to get a "family" car. I think he's still bitter about it! www.mlni.co.uk

Mar 7th, 2008, 10:30 PM	#35 (permalink)
river27 MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: West Midlands Local Time: 01:21 AM Posts: 21 Offline	That's a great car ARCrawford! Now if BMW could come up with something like that for the 21st century... Well, I would be in the queue!

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Goonery 6X therapist My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2003 Local Time: 01:21 AM Posts: 13,658 Offline	the thing is it really is not difficult to come up with a car that looks drop dead gorgeous, the hard part is to make it pedestrian friendly. Thats why the R56......................

Mar 8th, 2008, 06:28 AM	#37 (permalink)
dalboyne Are we nearly there yet? My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Luxembourg Local Time: 02:21 AM Posts: 1,908 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Goonery (original) the thing is it really is not difficult to come up with a car that looks drop dead gorgeous, the hard part is to make it pedestrian friendly. Thats why the R56...................... Ok - and just how many pedestrians have been hit by cars in the UK in the last year? (then deduct those where the pedestrian was at fault). I have a gut feeling that massive expense has been incurred throughout the motor indusry t make all new cars more pedestrian-friendly, when the actual number of pedesrian related accidents is not that huge....... I'd be happy to be corrected - anyone got any figures? (Sorry if this has deviated a bit from the Triumph story). Ian *No R57D until 2010?*

Mar 8th, 2008, 11:59 AM	#38 (permalink)
billy.batson MINI2 Regular Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Yorkshire, England Local Time: 01:21 AM Posts: 164 Offline	New Isetta? Further on the subject of additional brands from the BMW stable, whilst Triumph seems to be the front runner, CAR Magazine is now speculating that BMW will re-introduce the Isetta brand with a new small car at the Geneva Motor Show. This seems rather unlikely...or does it? We remember the Isetta as a tiny three-wheeler (though it had 4 wheels in Germany). Anyhow I thought Isetta was a brand owned by the Italian ISO company, did BMW acquire that firm I wonder.

Mar 8th, 2008, 12:38 PM	#39 (permalink)
Step_7 Whining.... My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Antrim, Northern Ire Local Time: 01:21 AM Posts: 1,763 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by dalboyne (original) Ok - and just how many pedestrians have been hit by cars in the UK in the last year? (then deduct those where the pedestrian was at fault). Whilst I generally agree with you and I remember reading that about 30% of pedestrian accidents are to do with alcohol consumption by the pedestrian the laying of blame on the pedestrian is not always the easy way out. If, god forbid, I had an accident where I hit a child REGARDLESS of who is at fault, I would rather the car had been engineered so that child had the best possible chance of survival. www.mlni.co.uk

Mar 8th, 2008, 10:25 PM	#40 (permalink)
NeuroBeaker Must.. keep... smiling... Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Behind the wheel Local Time: 01:21 AM Posts: 6,444 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Step_7 (original) If, god forbid, I had an accident where I hit a child REGARDLESS of who is at fault, I would rather the car had been engineered so that child had the best possible chance of survival. Agreed! NeuroBeaker - Proud owner of "Zeus" (a 'slightly modified' 2004 MINI ONE). *WARNING!* Thesis writing in progress. Experiments continue. Multi-tasking? Explosion imminent!

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