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Hugo · Mar 12th, 2008, 05:48 PM

China and US are doing very little to help the problem compared to the size of us.

Matt FT · Mar 12th, 2008, 05:54 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by vickietots (original)

Well its all great to encourage people to move to lower emission cars, but if I sell my car to get a lower emission car, someone else will buy it and so it will still be on the road!! So where is the logic! I can understand encouraging car manufacturers to change the new cars but there is not a lot you can do to existing cars!!

I think it does work. If you encourage people to move to new low CO2 cars, the older cars move out of the market. Yes, someone bought your car, but what about the probably older and more polluting car which your purchaser sold? Good chance it was scrapped.

By pushing more C02 friendly cars into the top of the supply chain, the bottom drops out and overall effect is a decrease in the C02 levels.

LeakyTurnip · Mar 12th, 2008, 05:55 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Mejy Poo (original)

And it will reduce to £20 for Cooper Ds!!

(Sorry)

Yippie!

Matt FT · Mar 12th, 2008, 05:55 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Hugo (original)

China and US are doing very little to help the problem compared to the size of us.

Sad but very true

Step_7 · Mar 12th, 2008, 05:57 PM

Just bought an R53 S... Doh! But, I'm going to enjoy it to the full and screw Mr. Darling!

In fact I'll consider getting a 210 conversion to pump out more CO2 just to get my £300s worth!!!!

Edenalig · Mar 12th, 2008, 06:00 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Matt FT (original)

By pushing more C02 friendly cars into the top of the supply chain, the bottom drops out and overall effect is a decrease in the C02 levels.

Why not just subsidise all us R53 S owners the difference in a straight part x for a less polluting R56 S? Everyone wins and the government goes up in our estimations

lol!

cooperSMark · Mar 12th, 2008, 06:07 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Matt FT (original)

<puts on flame proof vest and gets out troll poking stick>

I think it's a good thing. We need something to encourage car manufacturers and consumers to move to lower emission cars.

Also, just sold 2002 MCS and got a Clubman Cooper S, means my road tax goes from £210 to £35

that's just not fair! And there was me, buying a mini to save money!

cooperSMark · Mar 12th, 2008, 06:12 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Step_7 (original)

Just bought an R53 S... Doh! But, I'm going to enjoy it to the full and screw Mr. Darling!

In fact I'll consider getting a 210 conversion to pump out more CO2 just to get my £300s worth!!!!

sounds like a plan

*Vikki* · Mar 12th, 2008, 06:17 PM

The whole thing is Bol**ks! how much is the R56 S? did someone say its now £35?

Has the Cooper/ONE Pre 04 gone up?

supa-dupa-cooper · Mar 12th, 2008, 06:41 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Mejy Poo (original)

And it will reduce to £20 for Cooper Ds!!

(Sorry)

Oooooooooooh bingo!

vickietots · Mar 12th, 2008, 07:04 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Matt FT (original)

I think it does work. If you encourage people to move to new low CO2 cars, the older cars move out of the market. Yes, someone bought your car, but what about the probably older and more polluting car which your purchaser sold? Good chance it was scrapped.

By pushing more C02 friendly cars into the top of the supply chain, the bottom drops out and overall effect is a decrease in the C02 levels.

Yes but its not exactly quick win is it and plus some people keep their cars for years!

MartinSSZ · Mar 12th, 2008, 07:14 PM

It's actually better for the environment for me to keep my R53 MCS and NOT sell it and buy a new MCD.... so why has my tax not been lowered?

MINI-Morgan · Mar 12th, 2008, 07:21 PM

I feel hard done by..... my MCS does 400miles to a tank, far better than standard!

Now how do I get my MINI retested and reclassified

Lawrothegreat · Mar 12th, 2008, 07:43 PM

This was certainly an interesting budget.

I think that it is a fair system for new car buyers. You have a choice in what you buy, and manufacturers could easily do so much more to be environmentally friendly. I noted that the BBC said a new Ford Focus would cost £425 in its first year. Well Ford should do more then to be cleaner. BMW/MINI have managed, under the new system you could drive a BMW 335 twin-turbo diesel (0-62mph in 6.2secs) and in the first year it would cost £300 in the first year and then £210 in 2010/2011. All manufacturers could match this and therefore a big powerful car doesn't have to be expensive to tax.

I don't think it is a particularly fair system for owners of cars already. £300 sounds like a lot for the R53 MCS given the tax rate is based on CO2 alone. Car emissions only form a small part of our total emissions, manufacturing and disposal of cars is just as important. The new R56 Cooper S will only be £125 though.

baskers · Mar 12th, 2008, 07:45 PM

So, my council tax has gone up, as has my bread, eggs, petrol, heating, electricity, air-fare tax, and income tax... has my wage? No...

Is the level of service we're getting increased? No. This frigging green tax this, low emissions this - are they actually putting the money generated into actually stopping/helping climate change? No...

How us Brits actually bend over, part our arse-cheeks and take it right up the backside is beyond me. When I have a moan at work about the way that we are bled for every penny, people think I'm some kind of raging activist, but the level of apathy in this nation is soul-destroying...

Parc77 · Mar 12th, 2008, 07:48 PM

Wouldnt mind but from what I can remember the polution from this country...(yes that v small one on the global map) we produce something like ..............00000000000000000001 of the harmful stuff out yet all the citizens that drive the cars here get hit in the wallet...ok we all need to do our share towards the environment...but just like the fool of London sorry the mayor...its all simply to raise money for other silly projects but making themselves look like there doing something good to keep the environmentalists off there back....what next cuddle a baby to show just what a kind normal human you are Mr's Darling, Brown and Divingstone...ahh think I might go for a drive and stick in loads of BP ultimate...then the climate will rise and I can be happy and get a suntan in this country

its one of the few things left I can do.

Lawrothegreat · Mar 12th, 2008, 07:50 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Parc77 (original)

...ahh think I might go for a drive and stick in loads of BP ultimate...then the climate will rise and I can be happy and get a suntan in this country

You get better fuel economy with premium fuels.

Parc77 · Mar 12th, 2008, 07:53 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Lawrothegreat (original)

You get better fuel economy with premium fuels.

not the way I drive

...ill take the cat off too and do as much as I can to get those CO2 figures up...bring on the 4x4 gas guzzling Mini

Lawrothegreat · Mar 12th, 2008, 08:13 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Parc77 (original)

not the way I drive

...

billy.batson · Mar 12th, 2008, 08:17 PM

You would not QUITE mind so much, if the billions stolen from motorists, were spent on improving the roads - parking - etc, but NO! it's really another stealth tax, going into general funds to give to foreigners......

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Mar 12th, 2008, 05:48 PM	#21
Hugo MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2006 Location: Over 4.5k RPM Local Time: 01:28 AM Posts: 2,939 Offline	China and US are doing very little to help the problem compared to the size of us.

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Mar 12th, 2008, 05:54 PM	#22 (permalink)
Matt FT MINI2 Regular Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: London Local Time: 01:28 AM Posts: 160 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by vickietots (original) Well its all great to encourage people to move to lower emission cars, but if I sell my car to get a lower emission car, someone else will buy it and so it will still be on the road!! So where is the logic! I can understand encouraging car manufacturers to change the new cars but there is not a lot you can do to existing cars!! I think it does work. If you encourage people to move to new low CO2 cars, the older cars move out of the market. Yes, someone bought your car, but what about the probably older and more polluting car which your purchaser sold? Good chance it was scrapped. By pushing more C02 friendly cars into the top of the supply chain, the bottom drops out and overall effect is a decrease in the C02 levels.

Mar 12th, 2008, 05:55 PM	#24 (permalink)
Matt FT MINI2 Regular Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: London Local Time: 01:28 AM Posts: 160 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Hugo (original) China and US are doing very little to help the problem compared to the size of us. Sad but very true

Mar 12th, 2008, 06:00 PM	#26 (permalink)
Edenalig MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: May 2005 Location: Brum Local Time: 02:28 AM Posts: 53 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Matt FT (original) By pushing more C02 friendly cars into the top of the supply chain, the bottom drops out and overall effect is a decrease in the C02 levels. Why not just subsidise all us R53 S owners the difference in a straight part x for a less polluting R56 S? Everyone wins and the government goes up in our estimations lol!

Mar 12th, 2008, 06:07 PM	#27 (permalink)
cooperSMark MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Cheshire Local Time: 01:28 AM Posts: 138 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Matt FT (original) <puts on flame proof vest and gets out troll poking stick> I think it's a good thing. We need something to encourage car manufacturers and consumers to move to lower emission cars. Also, just sold 2002 MCS and got a Clubman Cooper S, means my road tax goes from £210 to £35 that's just not fair! And there was me, buying a mini to save money!

Mar 12th, 2008, 06:12 PM	#28 (permalink)
cooperSMark MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Cheshire Local Time: 01:28 AM Posts: 138 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Step_7 (original) Just bought an R53 S... Doh! But, I'm going to enjoy it to the full and screw Mr. Darling! In fact I'll consider getting a 210 conversion to pump out more CO2 just to get my £300s worth!!!! sounds like a plan

Mar 12th, 2008, 06:17 PM	#29 (permalink)
Vikki Winner MM best MINI ONE! My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: St Leonards-on-Sea Local Time: 01:28 AM Posts: 2,175 Offline	The whole thing is Bol**ks! how much is the R56 S? did someone say its now £35? Has the Cooper/ONE Pre 04 gone up?

Mar 12th, 2008, 07:14 PM	#32 (permalink)
MartinSSZ Yellow and Proud My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Shoreham-by-Sea Local Time: 01:28 AM Posts: 758 Offline	It's actually better for the environment for me to keep my R53 MCS and NOT sell it and buy a new MCD.... so why has my tax not been lowered?

Mar 12th, 2008, 07:43 PM	#34 (permalink)
Lawrothegreat Mini Design Philosopher Join Date: May 2004 Location: Berkshire, UK Local Time: 01:28 AM Posts: 832 Offline	This was certainly an interesting budget. I think that it is a fair system for new car buyers. You have a choice in what you buy, and manufacturers could easily do so much more to be environmentally friendly. I noted that the BBC said a new Ford Focus would cost £425 in its first year. Well Ford should do more then to be cleaner. BMW/MINI have managed, under the new system you could drive a BMW 335 twin-turbo diesel (0-62mph in 6.2secs) and in the first year it would cost £300 in the first year and then £210 in 2010/2011. All manufacturers could match this and therefore a big powerful car doesn't have to be expensive to tax. I don't think it is a particularly fair system for owners of cars already. £300 sounds like a lot for the R53 MCS given the tax rate is based on CO2 alone. Car emissions only form a small part of our total emissions, manufacturing and disposal of cars is just as important. The new R56 Cooper S will only be £125 though.

Mar 12th, 2008, 07:45 PM	#35 (permalink)
baskers MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2005 Local Time: 01:28 AM Posts: 907 Offline	So, my council tax has gone up, as has my bread, eggs, petrol, heating, electricity, air-fare tax, and income tax... has my wage? No... Is the level of service we're getting increased? No. This frigging green tax this, low emissions this - are they actually putting the money generated into actually stopping/helping climate change? No... How us Brits actually bend over, part our arse-cheeks and take it right up the backside is beyond me. When I have a moan at work about the way that we are bled for every penny, people think I'm some kind of raging activist, but the level of apathy in this nation is soul-destroying...

Mar 12th, 2008, 07:48 PM	#36 (permalink)
Parc77 MINI2 Master Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Yorkshire Local Time: 01:28 AM Posts: 2,345 Offline	Wouldnt mind but from what I can remember the polution from this country...(yes that v small one on the global map) we produce something like ..............00000000000000000001 of the harmful stuff out yet all the citizens that drive the cars here get hit in the wallet...ok we all need to do our share towards the environment...but just like the fool of London sorry the mayor...its all simply to raise money for other silly projects but making themselves look like there doing something good to keep the environmentalists off there back....what next cuddle a baby to show just what a kind normal human you are Mr's Darling, Brown and Divingstone...ahh think I might go for a drive and stick in loads of BP ultimate...then the climate will rise and I can be happy and get a suntan in this country its one of the few things left I can do.

Mar 12th, 2008, 07:50 PM	#37 (permalink)
Lawrothegreat Mini Design Philosopher Join Date: May 2004 Location: Berkshire, UK Local Time: 01:28 AM Posts: 832 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Parc77 (original) ...ahh think I might go for a drive and stick in loads of BP ultimate...then the climate will rise and I can be happy and get a suntan in this country You get better fuel economy with premium fuels.

Mar 12th, 2008, 07:53 PM	#38 (permalink)
Parc77 MINI2 Master Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Yorkshire Local Time: 01:28 AM Posts: 2,345 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Lawrothegreat (original) You get better fuel economy with premium fuels. not the way I drive ...ill take the cat off too and do as much as I can to get those CO2 figures up...bring on the 4x4 gas guzzling Mini

Mar 12th, 2008, 08:13 PM	#39 (permalink)
Lawrothegreat Mini Design Philosopher Join Date: May 2004 Location: Berkshire, UK Local Time: 01:28 AM Posts: 832 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Parc77 (original) not the way I drive ...

Mar 12th, 2008, 08:17 PM	#40 (permalink)
billy.batson MINI2 Regular Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Yorkshire, England Local Time: 01:28 AM Posts: 164 Offline	You would not QUITE mind so much, if the billions stolen from motorists, were spent on improving the roads - parking - etc, but NO! it's really another stealth tax, going into general funds to give to foreigners......

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