[Goonery]

Quote: Originally Posted by baskers (original)

What a Darling...

Amazingly similar

YouTube - Waste of time and resources

[Hyper Active]

Quote: Originally Posted by Goonery (original)

You do have a choice, We all have a choice, it's called the ballot box, there is also civil disobedience, protest and a hundred other ways to change things.
At the end of the day, the government is elected to do our bidding, if they don' t measure up then all we have to do is tell them en masse. A quiet but orderly revolution. I feel a Number 10 petition coming on to start with......

There is one already up and running . I've just signed it .

Petition to: Reduce the rate of fuel duty.

[bubblegoose]

makes my job hard work trying to remember all these blummin tax bands & how much the registration fee's will be.... thanks Mr. Darling!

plus he takes so much tax off me anyway plus his extra's for my company car!!

one word springs to mind... it starts with T and ends in T has four letters & has a W and an A in it

[Goonery]

Quote: Originally Posted by Hyper Active (original)

There is one already up and running . I've just signed it .

Petition to: Reduce the rate of fuel duty.

I was thinking more along the lines of a petition of "no confidence whatsoever in the ability of the Labour government to actually run the country".

Education - Failed
Health - Failed
Economy - Failed
Military Adventures - Failed
Europe- Failed
Sport - Failed

Spin - passed
Misappropriation of public funds - passed
Breaking manifesto pledges - passed
Imprudent borrowing - passed

But apparently I'd be gagged by the police state before I even started.
10 Downing Street website - Petitions - Search Results

[Hickster]

Quote: Originally Posted by Mejy Poo (original)

And it will reduce to £20 for Cooper Ds!!

(Sorry)

Yay!

[ALD0]

This is stupid!
They advertise these mtsubishi glorified school runners with low co2 emissions so I suppose they will be cheaper than the S?

I think it's time for a Dooper!

Did they reduce the VAT on brand new cars like the new Cooper D and lower emission cars?

[captint]

Its time for a change, get these blood sucking idiots out. An environmental fact for you. If every single factory, car, appliance, heating system etc was shut off permanently in Britain, the difference would be irrelevant due to Chinas growth in a 13 month period. So these taxes are pointless and will only be spent on some pointless cack like everything else this government does. Its time for people to stand up, viva la revolution!!!!!!!!!

[Lawrothegreat]

Quote: Originally Posted by captint (original)

If every single factory, car, appliance, heating system etc was shut off permanently in Britain, the difference would be irrelevant due to Chinas growth in a 13 month period.

Agreed - Britain's contribution is almost negligible but what is wrong with being a beacon to the world? You can have fun along the way, BMW has proved that.

[Goonery]

Now hang on, its not the fault of the Chinese or India etc, its the fault of those who give them the the ability to sell their goods. IE the West who want cheap consumable baubles to covet in their gated luxury residences

[Mejy Poo]

It's all swings and roundabouts

India and China are going through their industrial revolutions just like Britain did

[bubblegoose]

Quote: Originally Posted by ALD0 (original)

This is stupid!
They advertise these mtsubishi glorified school runners with low co2 emissions so I suppose they will be cheaper than the S?

I think it's time for a Dooper!

Did they reduce the VAT on brand new cars like the new Cooper D and lower emission cars?

you know where to come Si

[Mejy Poo]

Quote: Originally Posted by ALD0 (original)

This is stupid!
Did they reduce the VAT on brand new cars like the new Cooper D and lower emission cars?

Nope

[captint]

Quote: Originally Posted by Goonery (original)

Now hang on, its not the fault of the Chinese or India etc, its the fault of those who give them the the ability to sell their goods. IE the West who want cheap consumable baubles to covet in their gated luxury residences

Hey I did'nt say it was their fault, i just said it was a fact. My point being, drive what you can now as we are all screwed, so you might as well have a laugh while you can.

[Goonery]

Quote: Originally Posted by captint (original)

Hey I did'nt say it was their fault, i just said it was a fact. My point being, drive what you can now as we are all screwed, so you might as well have a laugh while you can.

Thats right, leave our legacy of profligacy and waste to those who follow us to sort out

Sorry, but we only have ourselves to blame

[ALD0]

Quote: Originally Posted by bubblegoose (original)

you know where to come Si

Aye mate, I do!
I'll be across soon with my Inspection 2, may have to have another Dooper test drive!

[Fishtail]

Quote: Originally Posted by Matt FT (original)

I think it does work. If you encourage people to move to new low CO2 cars, the older cars move out of the market. Yes, someone bought your car, but what about the probably older and more polluting car which your purchaser sold? Good chance it was scrapped.

By pushing more C02 friendly cars into the top of the supply chain, the bottom drops out and overall effect is a decrease in the C02 levels.

Yes because we can all afford new cars cant we..............erm NO



And as for the '' but what about the probably older and more polluting car which your purchaser sold? Good chance it was scrapped.''

PLUS that sort of rules out the idea of ownining a classic, like an original beetle, mini or say sunbeam tiger, do these all end up in musems? never to be used?

I very much doubt it and tbh there will be no stats to support that.

[Fishtail]

Quote: Originally Posted by Lawrothegreat (original)

Agreed - Britain's contribution is almost negligible but what is wrong with being a beacon to the world? You can have fun along the way, BMW has proved that.

AGAIN, if you are in a position to buy a new car then whoopdie dooo, what about those that cant! Were lumbered with high road tax & fuel....

[TallAndy]

Road tax is a waste of space, time, money & effort. Everyone pays tax per mile on fuel so why do we need road tax.

Also its not even proven that CO2 is causing climate change what a load ********!

[Fishtail]

Quote: Originally Posted by TallAndy (original)

Road tax is a waste of space, time, money & effort. Everyone pays tax per mile on fuel so why do we need road tax.

Also its not even proven that CO2 is causing climate change what a load ********!

Exactly...and taken from a source on pistonheads.....

''Low emission cars....or low CO2 cars? There's a very big difference. Allow me to demonstrate. I drive a car that produces 265 gCO2/km (Mazda RX8). "Disgraceful" I hear you cry. "Think of all the poor polar bears" you cry into your muesli. "Penguins are melting because of your selfishness" you weep as you peel the next round of courgettes. Which would be correct if CO2 was a pollutant which, of course, it isn't. The whole CO2 debate is spurious at best and certainly far from finished but let's just ignore that and assume that the lettuce wearers are correct for a minute (they're not, it's natural climate variation but let's pretend). The atmosphere contains 0.039% CO2 of which 3% is man made and of which 2% comes from the UK. Of that 2%, only 16% comes from transport (not the 23% quoted by Darling, he should actually do some reading on the subject). If every car in the UK was immediately crushed and not replaced, forcing everyone to walk, the difference to man-made CO2 would be? 0.32%. Of total atmospheric CO2? 0.0096%. Of the total atmosphere? 0.0000037%. This is not an environmental tax. It's just a tax, pure and simple. It will have ZERO effect on man made CO2, never mind overall atmospheric CO2. Reducing CO2 emissions and making people drive less and buy lousier cars will make absolutely NO difference.

If it was a tax on pollution, where is the mention of carbon monoxide, unburnt hydrocarbons or oxides of nitrogen? These are true pollutants linked with the likes of lung cancer, heart disease, bronchitis, pneumonia, asthma, emphysema etc. They are the principal cause of local air pollution in large cities, yet no-one seems to be bothered about them when focussing on the airy fairy nonsense that surrounds a naturally occuring harmless gas like CO2. And when you start to look at the readily available data at VCAcarfueldata.org.uk - Home Page , you'll see that the worst polluters aren't the cars that necessarily produce the most CO2. If a car produces more CO2 (and water vapour) it's actually burning fuel far more efficiently and producing less carbon monoxide and hydrocarbons. Which is why diesels seem to go unpunished. Despite dreadful levels of both, they produce little CO2 thanks to inefficient combustion and get let off paying higher taxes. My car, and feel free to check, has lower levels of these three pollution groups than a Ford Ka and beats the new Fiat 500 1.2 in two of the categories thanks to the far more efficient burning of rotary engines. But I'll be paying more than double the tax of those two. Compare the RX8 to the Golf GTi, which apparently will be taxed at just under half my level, and you;ll see that the Golf produces 50% more true pollutants. Go look up the Polo Bluemotion you mention. It produces similar carbon monoxide to an RX8 and twice us much nitrogen oxides. They don't list hydrocarbons for diesels...strange that, I suspect because their results are shockingly high.

So, now tell me about pollution. And I don't mean the uneducated headless chicken, mass hysteria bullst of CO2. I mean actual pollution. And explein to me why I'm paying double the level of tax that cars that pollute more are.''

Very interesting

[captint]

Quote: Originally Posted by Goonery (original)

Thats right, leave our legacy of profligacy and waste to those who follow us to sort out

Sorry, but we only have ourselves to blame

You can always sell your motor, buy a bike and live in a tent and make a stand.