[Lawrothegreat]

Quote: Originally Posted by Fishtail (original)

AGAIN, if you are in a position to buy a new car then whoopdie dooo, what about those that cant! Were lumbered with high road tax & fuel....

I completely agree with you. As I had said in a previous post, this increase in tax will hit those with nearly new cars the most (I'm sure I read that pre-2001 cars are capped).

In addition I agree that using CO2 as a measure of environmental impact is unrepresentative of the real impact.

However it is right to push the limits of technology and improve emissions. If the government can use a lever to encourage manufacturers to produce more environmentally friendly cars which I'm sure this budget will do with cars such as the Ford Focus (example used on BBC news) then that is a good thing - the technology is there. Ford knows customers will not want to buy a mid-range petrol Focus and then spend over £400 on tax in the first year.

I'll reiterate what I said earlier - I believe it is fair for new cars, but not so fair for those with nearly new cars.

Changes we make in this country may seem insignificant but as a modern country we have a responsibility along with others to pave the way in developing and using more environmentally friendly technologies.

[captint]

Quote: Originally Posted by Lawrothegreat (original)

I completely agree with you. As I had said in a previous post, this increase in tax will hit those with nearly new cars the most (I'm sure I read that pre-2001 cars are capped).

In addition I agree that using CO2 as a measure of environmental impact is unrepresentative of the real impact.

However it is right to push the limits of technology and improve emissions. If the government can use a lever to encourage manufacturers to produce more environmentally friendly cars which I'm sure this budget will do with cars such as the Ford Focus (example used on BBC news) then that is a good thing - the technology is there. Ford knows customers will not want to buy a mid-range petrol Focus and then spend over £400 on tax in the first year.

I'll reiterate what I said earlier - I believe it is fair for new cars, but not so fair for those with nearly new cars.

Changes we make in this country may seem insignificant but as a modern country we have a responsibility along with others to pave the way in developing and using more environmentally friendly technologies.

Its another way of encroching on our civil liberties, I don't care how much they put it up, they will have to pry my keys out of my cold grey dead hands before I drive a Prius!!!!

Booze up
Smokes up
Capital Gains tax up
Road tax up
Fuel to follow soon, it tipped £5 a gallon today as it is

It is disgusting and hypocritical, it will also only get worse whilst we have a bunch of lying, corrupt free loaders in charge. When is someone going to standup and make a difference!!!

[sav112]

Vote James Whale in to power with Jerramy Clarkson.

we do take it up the ......and do nothing.....

[Lawrothegreat]

Quote: Originally Posted by captint (original)

Its another way of encroching on our civil liberties, I don't care how much they put it up, they will have to pry my keys out of my cold grey dead hands before I drive a Prius!!!!

Who would want to drive a Prius?!

[Goonery]

Quote: Originally Posted by captint (original)

You can always sell your motor, buy a bike and live in a tent and make a stand.

I'd need to buy some wood to make a stand and that would lead to deforestation, so that stops any carpentry exercises

[Matt FT]

Quote: Originally Posted by Gemini4321 (original)

Dont know where you got that info from cause I just checked mine 150 C02 = band C = £120 up from £115 for Clubman Cooper S


Band
CO2 emission (g/km)
12 months rate
6 months rate

A
Up to 100
Not applicable
Not applicable

B
101-120
£35.00
Not applicable

C
121-150
£120.00
£66.00

D
151-165
£145.00
£79.75

E
166-185
£170.00
£93.50

F
Over 185
£210.00
£115.50

G
Over 225 – for cars registered on or after 23/03/06
£400.00
£220.00



Sue

Bugger, your right. My bad.

[k m s]

Quote: Originally Posted by Goonery (original)

You do have a choice, We all have a choice, it's called the ballot box, there is also civil disobedience, protest and a hundred other ways to change things.
At the end of the day, the government is elected to do our bidding, if they don' t measure up then all we have to do is tell them en masse. A quiet but orderly revolution. I feel a Number 10 petition coming on to start with......

In principle yes but a million people marched in protest against the war in Iraq, what did our government do? Sweet FA

To be honest, the more Darling attempts to tax my R53 'S' off the road the more I'm determined to keep it, just to stick two fingers up at our corrupt, lying, war mongering leaders. As others have pointed out this has very little to do with the environment and more to do with proping up the government's failing policies and unsustainable spending as the economy slows.

As per previous chancellors before him, Darling knows where to turn to when in need of greater revenue - the motorist, the smoker and the drinker, plus ça change....if we all had a green epiphany overnight and scrapped our cars government revenue would collapse and yet the affect on global CO2 would be negligible

Having said all that, I prefer to take the positives out of this - the R53 'S' is a current and future classic. If increasing the road tax discourages the local chavs from buying them when they drop in price and keeps them in the hands of genuine enthusiasts this can only be a good thing - I'm prepared to pay for that

[TallAndy]

What this country needs is a revolution we are all to used to being bullied and just take it and pay through the nose... look at the French if they don't like something they dam well make sure they're heard.

[mister.t]

Quote: Originally Posted by Hyper Active (original)

There is one already up and running . I've just signed it .

Petition to: Reduce the rate of fuel duty.

Done 15605 signatures already

Quote: Originally Posted by TallAndy (original)

Road tax is a waste of space, time, money & effort. Everyone pays tax per mile on fuel so why do we need road tax.

Also its not even proven that CO2 is causing climate change what a load ********!

Love that Just sold the Jeep so nothing interesting/carbon wasting motor to stick it on


Just a remider MINI2 members...
Petition to: Reduce the rate of fuel duty.
The public needs you!

[ONED]

Quote: Originally Posted by Mejy Poo (original)

And it will reduce to £20 for Cooper Ds!!

(Sorry)

Brilliant!!

I might buy another one if only I wern't so unhappy with the R56!

[humph]

Quote: Originally Posted by captint (original)

You can always sell your motor, buy a bike and live in a tent and make a stand.

You don't need to do any of that. You just need to make a stand, full stop. Every news article and interview I've read/seen since yesterday has moaned about the hikes in car/booze/fags tax. But by tomorrow, (if not today), 99% of those people will have shrugged their shoulders and carried on as before. Their idea of fighting for their rights being to defiantly carry on drinking and smoking as before, giving the government an excuse to do it all again next year. THE APATHY IN THIS COUNTRY IS APALLING!!! Yet when we get our chance to vote (our only official way of protest) more than half the country can't be bothered! Infuriating!!!

Quote: Originally Posted by TallAndy (original)

What this country needs is a revolution we are all to used to being bullied and just take it and pay through the nose... look at the French if they don't like something they dam well make sure they're heard.

Yes and good on them. Don't get me wrong crippling the economy with strikes is not a good thing. But some fighting back is needed urgently.

[alski]

life time costs of electric cars, what pollution to make batteries and enviromental cost of disposal,
also not anti american but if all those guys paid £5.00 per gallon, then oil would be back to 30.00 a barrel
all the EU trucks driving shoulder to shoulder on the 1st 4 lanes of the newly widend m25 just illustrate the problem, as road tax pays for our roads, but a toll on the mainland
europe pays for theirs
if my mcs is neary a £1 day soon i would expect our euro truck guys to have to pay a least £10 a day to use our roads, pay at the ports on the the way in and on the way out how simple is that?
100% compliance and a few 100million for the greens
i would also add that they need to post a 50k bond to cover all the side swipes, due to mirrors on wrong side etc

[hoojkel]

WTF!!! I already put super unleaded in my jcw as it puts out less emissions and drive probably half the miles a normal road user does yet I get taxed more than someone who will put in more miles and fill up more times and spit out more emissions!! load of c**p!!
I don't think we'll see brown and his darling stopping using their 4 litre jags to take them 5 mins up and down the road anytime soon and swap it for a prius!! The roads are still covered in pot holes caused by tax dodging farmers and their tractors. It'll not stop people using their cars, its a stealth tax thats clearly not stealthy.

Power to the people.
Rant over

[nylo]

Quote: Originally Posted by Hyper Active (original)

There is one already up and running . I've just signed it .

Petition to: Reduce the rate of fuel duty.

Just added my thumbprint (carbon coloured, like my footprint) to this. wonder if it will make a blind bit of difference

[Hugo]

Done....... Signed........ Jumping with 2 feet making sure they see my carbon foot print!!!!!!!!!!!

[simeds]

Quote: Originally Posted by billy.batson (original)

Typical of this thieving, lying and swindling Socialist government.

has there been an election that i've missed. When did a socialist government get in ?

[I love MINI, Laura]

Oh dear! Signed up to the petition too. If my car cost £205 this year and £300 next year now what difference has that made to the environment? My car still pollutes the same amount as last year why put it up? I say tax per mile and get us all on our bikes for the small trips! My MCS doesn't do many miles each year and still gets taxed more than lower CO2 cars that do 30K miles a year? Thats just not fair and my impact on the world is less but I get charged for it?

[Capsaisin]

Quote: Originally Posted by I love MINI, Laura (original)

Oh dear! Signed up to the petition too. If my car cost £205 this year and £300 next year now what difference has that made to the environment? My car still pollutes the same amount as last year why put it up? I say tax per mile and get us all on our bikes for the small trips! My MCS doesn't do many miles each year and still gets taxed more than lower CO2 cars that do 30K miles a year? Thats just not fair and my impact on the world is less but I get charged for it?

I wonder how much "road" tax those gas guzzling, CO2 polluting airlines are going to have to pay now!! Oh, that's right - nothing.

[captint]

Quote: Originally Posted by Goonery (original)

I'd need to buy some wood to make a stand and that would lead to deforestation, so that stops any carpentry exercises

tooshay

[randap]

Quote: Originally Posted by Capsaisin (original)

I wonder how much "road" tax those gas guzzling, CO2 polluting airlines are going to have to pay now!! Oh, that's right - nothing.

First of all, that's not true. Airlines don't pay tax on their fuel, but do pay via many other mechanisms. A number are already part of international carbon tradings schemes, are you? Do you offset your flight CO2? Aircraft are also far more fuel efficient per passenger mile than cars, and the efforts OEMs have gone to reduce their environmental impact is in a whole different league to car manufacturers.

As for the increase in road taxes, since when did tax actually change buying behaviour? It just makes "gas guzzlers" more of a visible status symbol. How will £1000 added to the cost of a £30,000+ car make any difference? The only way to reduce car usage is to provide viable alternatives, and if funded by taxes, it should be via fuel tax which is directly linked to efficiency.

Part of the problem with this government's tax policy is that it is invisible. If we knew that the extra 4p per pint was spent directly on extra policing at night / weekends, then I don't think folk would be so bothered. The fact that it just goes into a bottomless pit is what makes my blood boil.

If this government was really serious, why doesn't it just prevent manufacturers from selling cars above a certain emissions level? Or just tell supermarkets to stop giving away plastic bags? Or to force product manufacturers to reduce packaging (like in Germany)? Oh that's right, because it would reduce their income, and therefore reduce their ability to fund the welfare state, their voting majority. Power corrupts.

This budget was another missed opportunity, by a government passed its time. Now its time for a change. Oh, and I didn't vote for them, but I do vote - do you?

Rant over.