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Ddraig · May 12th, 2008, 01:19 PM

Howdy,

I just discovered this and was curious as to what your opinions of it were. You may or may not have heard of this stuff but I did a quick google search hho water as gas - Google Search

Basically from what I understand is they create HHO or hydrogen gas from water and then funnel the gas into the air intake. So instead of taking in just regular air from the outside, you end up with a hydrogen enriched air. The claim being that it will double your gas milage. Pretty sure some of the websites are scam websites, but to me what I just mentioned sounds plausable. So my questions are, do you think this would work, and do you think it would work in a Mini?

Thanks,
Dd.

Tommo · May 12th, 2008, 01:55 PM

Seem's like it would take more power to run the electrolyzer than you'd get back from it ? And looking at the patents it seems that at least some of the science is sloppy and has already been proven to be incorrect.

Looking a bit deeper into the spec it seems you'd need about 5kw (7hp ish) to generate 1.3kw (1.7hp ish) which means that I won't be fitting it my Cooper S anytime soon

Looks like we'll have to keep using petrol till Mr Fusion comes along.

Ddraig · May 12th, 2008, 02:25 PM

Thats what I thought too, it definatly would require more electrical power than the engine could create. I have a friend here at work that is interested in trying it but after searching around some more after my initial post I'm thinking scam. Most if not all the websites eventually point back one source website, which sends you to an advertising/webhop site. So the guy is probably making money off the number of times the link is clicked let alone the suckers that buy the plans.

Quote: Originally Posted by tommo13 (original)

Looks like we'll have to keep using petrol till Mr Fusion comes along.

As far as Mr Fusion goes... Here you go: Gadgets: Purdue University Develops Mr.Fusion, Finally

Tommo · May 12th, 2008, 02:52 PM

"This biorefinery can supposedly produce 90-percent more energy than it consumes"

That's very impressive

mikeythemini · May 12th, 2008, 08:29 PM

We had a vauxhall omega with this fitted in today for radio work.
We spotted a coffee jar under the bonnet with pipes coming from it - & a strange smell. The customer then explained & told us how much money he was saving on fuel!

MarkW · May 12th, 2008, 09:09 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by tommo13 (original)

"This biorefinery can supposedly produce 90-percent more energy than it consumes"

That's very impressive

and impossible if I remember my physics
1st law of thermodynamics States that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, only converted from one form to another

Tommo · May 13th, 2008, 06:46 AM

Hence my quote and tongue in cheek reply

MarkW · May 13th, 2008, 05:06 PM

thats why I put the winking smilies, wasn't having ago

Fin · May 13th, 2008, 05:40 PM

LOL.

Now that is funny

Anyone want to buy some old rope?

Tommo · May 13th, 2008, 07:35 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MarkXR (original)

thats why I put the winking smilies, wasn't having ago

Sorry chief

I wonder how much it is ?

I've got some magic beans around here some where...........

MarkW · May 13th, 2008, 07:47 PM

no worries

gofastmobile · Jul 3rd, 2008, 03:19 PM

it seems to me that the programmed fuel injection would deliver the same amount of fuel (to a certain point).
the o2 sensor can only lean out the fuel mixture so much. so any gain would be very small

baxster · Jul 3rd, 2008, 06:13 PM

Honda have just released a hydrogen powered car and it is available to lease but only a select few.
The energy needed to separate is indeed greater than the energy created but if the energy used is free then its a different story.
Wind, Sun, kinetic????

May 12th, 2008, 01:19 PM	#1
Ddraig MINI2 Regular Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Remington, VA Local Time: 06:39 PM Posts: 57 Offline	HHO Water as Gas in a Mini? Howdy, I just discovered this and was curious as to what your opinions of it were. You may or may not have heard of this stuff but I did a quick google search hho water as gas - Google Search Basically from what I understand is they create HHO or hydrogen gas from water and then funnel the gas into the air intake. So instead of taking in just regular air from the outside, you end up with a hydrogen enriched air. The claim being that it will double your gas milage. Pretty sure some of the websites are scam websites, but to me what I just mentioned sounds plausable. So my questions are, do you think this would work, and do you think it would work in a Mini? Thanks, Dd.

May 12th, 2008, 08:29 PM	#5 (permalink)
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May 12th, 2008, 01:55 PM	#2 (permalink)
Tommo twin scroll Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Up North Local Time: 11:39 PM Posts: 145 Offline	Seem's like it would take more power to run the electrolyzer than you'd get back from it ? And looking at the patents it seems that at least some of the science is sloppy and has already been proven to be incorrect. Looking a bit deeper into the spec it seems you'd need about 5kw (7hp ish) to generate 1.3kw (1.7hp ish) which means that I won't be fitting it my Cooper S anytime soon Looks like we'll have to keep using petrol till Mr Fusion comes along.

May 12th, 2008, 02:25 PM	#3 (permalink)
Ddraig MINI2 Regular Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Remington, VA Local Time: 06:39 PM Posts: 57 Offline	Thats what I thought too, it definatly would require more electrical power than the engine could create. I have a friend here at work that is interested in trying it but after searching around some more after my initial post I'm thinking scam. Most if not all the websites eventually point back one source website, which sends you to an advertising/webhop site. So the guy is probably making money off the number of times the link is clicked let alone the suckers that buy the plans. Quote: Originally Posted by tommo13 (original) Looks like we'll have to keep using petrol till Mr Fusion comes along. As far as Mr Fusion goes... Here you go: Gadgets: Purdue University Develops Mr.Fusion, Finally

May 12th, 2008, 02:52 PM	#4 (permalink)
Tommo twin scroll Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Up North Local Time: 11:39 PM Posts: 145 Offline	"This biorefinery can supposedly produce 90-percent more energy than it consumes" That's very impressive

May 12th, 2008, 09:09 PM	#6 (permalink)
MarkW XR3i / JCW MCS Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Full Throttle Local Time: 11:39 PM Posts: 316 Online	Quote: Originally Posted by tommo13 (original) "This biorefinery can supposedly produce 90-percent more energy than it consumes" That's very impressive and impossible if I remember my physics 1st law of thermodynamics States that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, only converted from one form to another

May 13th, 2008, 06:46 AM	#7 (permalink)
Tommo twin scroll Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Up North Local Time: 11:39 PM Posts: 145 Offline	Hence my quote and tongue in cheek reply

May 13th, 2008, 05:06 PM	#8 (permalink)
MarkW XR3i / JCW MCS Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Full Throttle Local Time: 11:39 PM Posts: 316 Online	thats why I put the winking smilies, wasn't having ago

May 13th, 2008, 05:40 PM	#9 (permalink)
Fin Giggity-goo! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cloudbase Local Time: 11:39 PM Posts: 2,519 Offline	LOL. Now that is funny Anyone want to buy some old rope?

May 13th, 2008, 07:35 PM	#10 (permalink)
Tommo twin scroll Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Up North Local Time: 11:39 PM Posts: 145 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MarkXR (original) thats why I put the winking smilies, wasn't having ago Sorry chief I wonder how much it is ? I've got some magic beans around here some where...........

May 13th, 2008, 07:47 PM	#11 (permalink)
MarkW XR3i / JCW MCS Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Full Throttle Local Time: 11:39 PM Posts: 316 Online	no worries

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Jul 3rd, 2008, 03:19 PM	#12 (permalink)
gofastmobile I love my toy Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba Local Time: 05:39 PM Posts: 12 Offline	it seems to me that the programmed fuel injection would deliver the same amount of fuel (to a certain point). the o2 sensor can only lean out the fuel mixture so much. so any gain would be very small

Jul 3rd, 2008, 06:13 PM	#13 (permalink)
baxster MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jun 2008 Local Time: 11:39 PM Posts: 17 Offline	Honda have just released a hydrogen powered car and it is available to lease but only a select few. The energy needed to separate is indeed greater than the energy created but if the energy used is free then its a different story. Wind, Sun, kinetic????