HHO Water as Gas in a Mini?

[Ddraig]

Howdy,

I just discovered this and was curious as to what your opinions of it were. You may or may not have heard of this stuff but I did a quick google search hho water as gas - Google Search

Basically from what I understand is they create HHO or hydrogen gas from water and then funnel the gas into the air intake. So instead of taking in just regular air from the outside, you end up with a hydrogen enriched air. The claim being that it will double your gas milage. Pretty sure some of the websites are scam websites, but to me what I just mentioned sounds plausable. So my questions are, do you think this would work, and do you think it would work in a Mini?

Thanks,
Dd.

[Tommo]

Seem's like it would take more power to run the electrolyzer than you'd get back from it ? And looking at the patents it seems that at least some of the science is sloppy and has already been proven to be incorrect.

Looking a bit deeper into the spec it seems you'd need about 5kw (7hp ish) to generate 1.3kw (1.7hp ish) which means that I won't be fitting it my Cooper S anytime soon

Looks like we'll have to keep using petrol till Mr Fusion comes along.

[Ddraig]

Thats what I thought too, it definatly would require more electrical power than the engine could create. I have a friend here at work that is interested in trying it but after searching around some more after my initial post I'm thinking scam. Most if not all the websites eventually point back one source website, which sends you to an advertising/webhop site. So the guy is probably making money off the number of times the link is clicked let alone the suckers that buy the plans.

Quote: Originally Posted by tommo13 (original)

Looks like we'll have to keep using petrol till Mr Fusion comes along.

As far as Mr Fusion goes... Here you go: Gadgets: Purdue University Develops Mr.Fusion, Finally

[Tommo]

"This biorefinery can supposedly produce 90-percent more energy than it consumes"

That's very impressive

[mikeythemini]

We had a vauxhall omega with this fitted in today for radio work.
We spotted a coffee jar under the bonnet with pipes coming from it - & a strange smell. The customer then explained & told us how much money he was saving on fuel!

[MarkW]

Quote: Originally Posted by tommo13 (original)

"This biorefinery can supposedly produce 90-percent more energy than it consumes"

That's very impressive

and impossible if I remember my physics
1st law of thermodynamics States that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, only converted from one form to another

[Tommo]

Hence my quote and tongue in cheek reply

[MarkW]

thats why I put the winking smilies, wasn't having ago

[Fin]

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Now that is funny

Anyone want to buy some old rope?

[Tommo]

Quote: Originally Posted by MarkXR (original)

thats why I put the winking smilies, wasn't having ago

Sorry chief

I wonder how much it is ?

I've got some magic beans around here some where...........

[MarkW]

no worries

[gofastmobile]

it seems to me that the programmed fuel injection would deliver the same amount of fuel (to a certain point).
the o2 sensor can only lean out the fuel mixture so much. so any gain would be very small

[baxster]

Honda have just released a hydrogen powered car and it is available to lease but only a select few.
The energy needed to separate is indeed greater than the energy created but if the energy used is free then its a different story.
Wind, Sun, kinetic????

[Exbat]

I've been looking into this and my layman's understanding is that surplus electricity from the alternator/battery is used in the chemical/electrical separation of H20 to Hydrogen and Oxygen. I understand the physics law that energy cannot be created or destroyed, but remember that you're starting with a hydrogen/oxygen mix already: you're not creating it. Also, the hydrogen gas is an adjunct to the normal gas/air mixture, you're NOT running on either water or hydrogen. There are simple HHO generators that use a 9-volt battery, lye and water. The $1.00 battery may take an alkaline water solution and, over its life, produce as much energy (via separated hydrogen gas) as a gallon of gasoline. Now what if you used a low-amp draw of 12V DC from your MINI's charging system? Does that seem so ludicrous/laughable?

[Exbat]

Quote: Originally Posted by gofastmobile (original)

it seems to me that the programmed fuel injection would deliver the same amount of fuel (to a certain point).
the o2 sensor can only lean out the fuel mixture so much. so any gain would be very small

Agreed, that's why you need a "MAP/MAF sensor enhancer," to lean out the mix. These are available, specifically to address the HHO generator addition. Google or eBay.