Section 59 Police

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Quote: Originally Posted by ViscountCharles (original)

Stuff that. If he's LUCKY, it's a s165. Alongside a charge of "obstructing a police officer in the course of his duty".

Funnily enough, I saw that exact thing happen yesterday!

Honesty pays! Don't lie and you won't get in even more trouble!

[ViscountCharles]

There have been quite a few "husband & wife" prosecutions, where husband persuades wife to say she was driving (as hubby was already on 9 points, say). It's a bit tragic when two people go to prison, especially as the worst that would have happened is a 6m ban for the husband before they started telling lies.

[richhamer]

Quote: Originally Posted by Ant FR (original)

Oh great the old " We are just obeying orders" line. Have'nt we heard that somewhere before circa 1940's?

My job does not qualify me to make any superb judgements on everyone else, thats you whose said that. My only qualification to comment is as a good honest uk taxpayer. Iearn the right to commetn on the Police service or any other public servant. Oh and i love the way you've changed from taking offence at my statement only then to call it superb.

Don't talk to me about making generalisations because is'nt that something that the metropolitan police were found guilty a few years back? Making generalisations about certain groups of people?

I did'nt say the police made up legislation. As you and i both know the law is not black and white and open to interpretation. But the way the Police choose to use their powers under the acts and then go on to interpret it in their favour is what annoys me.

You think i am uneducated on the way the british Police and justice system works which i assure you i am not. Yes my opinion may be a little jaded as i saw a very good personal friend hounded by a corrupt team of police officers who were later suspended. Said friend had his life ruined, lost his partner , his job and was branded a nonce in the tabloid papers. All because 2 police officers could'nt be asked to do their job properly and find the real criminal and decided to try to stick it on him. But thats a seperate issue.

It's pretty clear we are not going to agree on this subject and its way off topic now but just to straighten up, I agree entirely with the other reply saying I have the utmost sympathy for your friend. It is the bad apples in any profession that gives the rest a bad name but is it entriely fair of you to brand everyone equally? And as for the comment about the Met, again, that's treating all police officers the same. It's in the past, thing's have changed (substantially, certainly in the 2 forces I've been in, neither of which are the Met I might add.) I certainly don't generalise when I deal with people and I genuinely don't know officers who do and the service won't tolerate it anymore and rightly so.

I appreciate the fact that as a taxpayer you have the right to an opinion about any public service but your initial post was very sweeping, basing your opinion of all police, presumably, on your somewhat coloured view of police which I don't think added anything to answering the chaps question, nor was it fair to any of the many decent, hard working, honest police officers of this country or based on anything factual.

Lets leave it there cos any further comment I make will become petty and quite honestly, life's too short and I'd rather go to bed.

[Vitesse]

I do think people are using this thread as a cheap shot for having a go at the serving policemen on the forum and should maybe have a reality check. Without their hard work then the country would be in total chaos.

There is only one person in a position to make an honest judgement on whether he deservered a section 59 or not and no one else can make that call. But the policeman at the time felt it was justified so I cannot, pass judgement because I didn't witness it.

Just remember next time your house is broken into or god help a relative or a friend is hurt in anyway, be it a mugging or road accident who has to pick up the pieces.

I'm not a policeman or have any direct links to them but I respect what a tough job they have to do.

[Max Stetson]

Quote: Originally Posted by Ant FR (original)

i got one of these a few months back. However the copper was a complete novice and failed to issue me with anything in paper form indicating this.


Do a search on google. But its another load of crap the police dream up to penalise those they can for figures. If you wanna break the law, give up using the car, become a rapist or burglar, there useless at catching them.

In fact now i look back, all the thick kids i went to school with are now coppers, i think that says something

If you are going to criticise the grammar and spelling in other posts (richhamer) or accuse Police Officers of being thick you should make sure your contributions are error free.........fool. I would take great pleasure in seizing your car. (Police Officer with honours degree in physics)

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[Saad]

Quote: Originally Posted by ViscountCharles (original)

I've seen people waste hundreds (or thousands) of pounds contesting cases - or failing to contest them properly - because of advice given on internet forums. And one chap who conducted a campaign against speed cameras using the 'net was a convicted fraudster and had been declared a "vexatious litigant" by the High Court due to his time wasting with false claims down the years - yet he never pointed that out anywhere.

No, if you're in a spot of bother, best see someone who you know is properly trained (and insiured) to give you sound advice. Not some keyboard warrior.

I'd recommend actually browsing Pepipoo before making a blanket statement like that. It's got me out of a few spots of bother with the law, and all for FREE

Quote: Originally Posted by Max Stetson (original)

If you are going to criticise the grammar and spelling in other posts (richhamer) or accuse Police Officers of being thick you should make sure your contributions are error free.........fool. I would take great pleasure in seizing your car. (Police Officer with honours degree in physics)

That's great... lovely to see a completely non-judgmental stance on upholding the law....

You must be related to the coppers who insist on stop and searching me every time I get on the tube. If anyone wants to see what a Section 44 looks like I got a huge wad of them.

[Paul]

Pepipoo is a good resource and does have some qualified people who contribute and offer good advice for free. Helped me out once too.

[KitKat]

As the guy who is an actual policeman said earlier...i doubt he even bothered putting it into the police computer so wouldnt worry about it too much.

I got stopped before by a bored poilceman who said....you went round that roundabout and the following roads a bit fast. You didnt break the speed limit but i thought you were going quite fast!? He gave me a producer....i went to the station but couldnt find the paper bit to my licence, my mot at the time had expired by 2days and i brought last years insurance form with me. They said i was under arrest for not having any documents, let me go then i never heard anything further. haha

Obviously this must of been just before that plods lunch break of something....not suggesting everyone will get away with it....