Idiot Mini Driver JAILED!!! - with video

[RooniusMaximus]

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul (original)

It's NEVER safe, maybe you could say less dangerous, but never safe, always illegal, and always stupid.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the first point, but I totally agree with the last two.

All I can really say about the clip is that he's lucky he just got caught. If he'd crashed at that speed, it would probably have been all over for him - or worse, some law abiding driver.

[Tommo]

I'll tell you what is annoying, anyone who is defending this cretin or anyone else who treats the road as their own personal racetrack. It's ok saying he didn't hurt anyone, it won't be ok if he hits (insert your own favourite loved one, mum, dad, girlfriend, dog etc) and kills them to death. If he goes to Prison and it ruins his life tough ! Most of us manage to make it through life without going to Prison because we understand cause and effect. It's no good whining about it after you've already done something stupid, grow some common sense and don't do it in the first place.

As Paul said it's never legal, never safe and always stupid. Go and find a track and do it in relative safety, and ****ing grow up.

[simon4563]

Quote: Originally Posted by m_cooke999 (original)

******, shame he didnt crash the thing into a tree

no offence but thats not a very sensible thing to say mate, his girlfriend was in the car and she had no control of what speed he was doing.

I dont always stick 100% to the speed limit but when i have my girl in the car i do, imo its one thing to play with your own life but another to play with somone elses

[RooniusMaximus]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tommo (original)

I'll tell you what is annoying, anyone who is defending this cretin or anyone else who treats the road as their own personal racetrack. It's ok saying he didn't hurt anyone, it won't be ok if he hits (insert your own favourite loved one, mum, dad, girlfriend, dog etc) and kills them to death. If he goes to Prison and it ruins his life tough ! Most of us manage to make it through life without going to Prison because we understand cause and effect. It's no good whining about it after you've already done something stupid, grow some common sense and don't do it in the first place.

As Paul said it's never legal, never safe and always stupid. Go and find a track and do it in relative safety, and ****ing grow up.

I'll tell you what I find annoying is people who take the 'holier than thou' approach to other people's actions.

The speed limits are set for a reason. To me it matters very little if you go over it by 10 mph or 70. Who decided it was OK for you to break the law and then be judgemental about other people who do it, but do it more so?

As stated, I don't do it. I don't think it's OK to do. But I also cannot believe that anyone can have the audacity to say 'We all break the speed limit, but that's just going too far'

To me that's akin to

"Well I only stabbed a bloke. I didn't go on and kill him."

There was a thread (on another forum) some time ago about a guy who lost control of his car after a spirited drive and ended up killing a motorcyclist. His very frank and revealing posts would make you think very hard about finding the correct place to use speed - and I'm not even talking about excessive speed here.. There are times when it is safe, they are just very few and far between.

[King James]

Quote: Originally Posted by S8RAH (original)

There are too many young idiots driving MINIs at the moment. I can't wait til the new Fiesta comes out and they all switch to those, its just giving us a bad name.

nice sweeping statement.... and a bit over the top i feel

[Tommo]

Quote: Originally Posted by RooniusMaximus (original)

I'll tell you what I find annoying is people who take the 'holier than thou' approach to other people's actions.

The speed limits are set for a reason. To me it matters very little if you go over it by 10 mph or 70. Who decided it was OK for you to break the law and then be judgemental about other people who do it, but do it more so?

As stated, I don't do it. I don't think it's OK to do. But I also cannot believe that anyone can have the audacity to say 'We all break the speed limit, but that's just going too far'

To me that's akin to

"Well I only stabbed a bloke. I didn't go on and kill him."

There was a thread (on another forum) some time ago about a guy who lost control of his car after a spirited drive and ended up killing a motorcyclist. His very frank and revealing posts would make you think very hard about finding the correct place to use speed - and I'm not even talking about excessive speed here.. There are times when it is safe, they are just very few and far between.

Well for starters my post wasn't directed at you personally, but seeing as you felt the need to quote me personally, please allow me to respond.

I do need you to explain your point because I'm wondering if your serious ? I mean your not actually telling us that it's no different if you break the limit by 10 mph or 70mph are you ? Because if that's the case I'd be really interested in hearing how you justify that point.

Yes speed limits are in place for our own safety but as we know there are times when travelling at or around the limit is highly dangerous and times when exceeding the limit is no more dangerous than driving at it. And that doesn't mean I advocate driving down a country road at 130 mph. Ever. The main point though is that the driver uses judgement and common sense in all cases and asses risk, just as you do every time you get behind the wheel.

If your one of those drivers that does 29 mph past a school in the winter months in rain for example and has that warm comfortable feeling that your driving within the limit, then I can only surmise that your as bad a driver as the idiot in the video. The same goes if you sit on the motorway doing 69 mph in fog 5 yards off someones back bumper.

All driving necessitates the need for using judgement and common sense, but the way that the driver in the OP was behaving showed none. And while I agree that it is easy to be a little judgemental when posting on a forum, I really can't agree with anyone else if they are defending use of speed in that kind of situation because they are going to end up going the same way with a Prison term or as a casualty.

But to say exceeding the limit by 10 mph on the motorway at say 2 am with no other traffic is just as dangerous is quite honestly ludicrous. It's all to easy with the current camera and speed policies today to get into the speed kills mentality, but as someone who has attended quite a few RTA's most police officers will tell you it's not usually speed that kills it's inappropriate use of speed and driver error.

Your comment about the knife was a poor analogy, most people would agree that a bit a bit of a punch up, while dangerous isn't usually life threatening but when someone pulls a knife then things have changed considerable and the threat of severe injury or death has become a distinct possibility. Both are considered dangerous and irresponsible but the latter has gone a step too far in most peoples opinion. And that's the same with the driver in the video it's just a step beyond an acceptable risk. And that not audacious or holier than thou it's just opinion

[RooniusMaximus]

As you should be able to read - I've not once advocated the use of his speed in the video posted. I've agreed all along that 130mph on that road with those conditions is wrong, dangerous, illegal all the above.

My argument - and admittedly, it was lazy quoting on my part - was not about the safety between going 10 mph over the speed limit and 70 it was about morality. And that people are saying (not you) I'll happilly go XX mph over the speed limit but not XX + Y

Why not? You're already happy to break the law, and if that's the case how come it's OK for YOU to decide on the new definition of what safe is.

I totally agree that it's inappropriate use of speed that kills. What I was saying though is that there are SOME country roads and certain conditions that would allow you to do that speed in safety. Conversely there are posted limits on roads that are way too high.

Friends of ours live up a farm track that is barely wider than one car and unpaved. The posted speed limit up there is 60. I'd suggest 5mph is about right.

[MINI-Morgan]

Good Post Tommo! Speed limits are set for safety, fuel economy, tarmac quality(dry and wet) and to cover an average select of cars. Does a MINI stop, corner or avoid danger in the same way a Mk2 Fiesta does?

[paule3]

I was once told "anyone can go fast, there's no skill in that, its stopping that's difficult", I think it rings true - anyone can put their foot down and zoom along a country round; but stopping it would be an entirely different matter.

The one thing that amazes me with these kind of videos is why anyone actually records them!

It was an irresponsible thing for that driver to be doing but he was punished. Let's hope he learns his lesson from that....he'll have plenty of time to reflect - in prison and at the bus stop!

[rellik666]

Quote: Originally Posted by RooniusMaximus (original)

As you should be able to read - I've not once advocated the use of his speed in the video posted. I've agreed all along that 130mph on that road with those conditions is wrong, dangerous, illegal all the above.

My argument - and admittedly, it was lazy quoting on my part - was not about the safety between going 10 mph over the speed limit and 70 it was about morality. And that people are saying (not you) I'll happilly go XX mph over the speed limit but not XX + Y

Why not? You're already happy to break the law, and if that's the case how come it's OK for YOU to decide on the new definition of what safe is.

I totally agree that it's inappropriate use of speed that kills. What I was saying though is that there are SOME country roads and certain conditions that would allow you to do that speed in safety. Conversely there are posted limits on roads that are way too high.

Friends of ours live up a farm track that is barely wider than one car and unpaved. The posted speed limit up there is 60. I'd suggest 5mph is about right.

I have to agree here in part, but also know that I am as guilty as anyone for making my own judgement of what the speed limit should be!

I think of myself as a good driver....who doesn't...but I also know that my ability has limitations, I want to keep my licence, keep my car and most importantly keep my life. I also do not want to see other people hurt because of my driving. What infuriates me the most is that I enjoy driving and because of that I am seen as some kind of criminal, just because I will go 5-10 ks over the limit, when there are people weaving violently in and out of traffic, riding my bumper, pulling into my stopping distance because my lane is going 1m/s faster than theirs, indicating after they have already started to move like I am some kind of mind reader, trucks pulling right up to the back of me cause they don't want to brake or change gear, people pulling infront of trucks with no regard for their stopping distance, people driving with no regard for the conditions and people driving at 80kms in a 100 zone because it is raining yet still driving 1m off the car infronts bumper! I could go on all day but my point is;

I am well aware that if i get caught doing 5ks over the limit that I have no-one to blame but myself. But when people are screaming past a school at 60k's when it is a 40 zone don't get caught but I do 105 on the freeway is just wrong.

If my driving is putting other people at risk, then take away my licence and give my car to charity, but not before you teach people to drive properly! I am sick of this nanny state, and I have to say Vic is almost worse than the UK, where speed is the devil, but drive like you have robbed the car, yet within the speed limit your ok........

[Hartge210]

Quote: Originally Posted by RooniusMaximus (original)

There was a thread (on another forum) some time ago about a guy who lost control of his car after a spirited drive and ended up killing a motorcyclist. His very frank and revealing posts would make you think very hard about finding the correct place to use speed - and I'm not even talking about excessive speed here.. There are times when it is safe, they are just very few and far between.

Check out a thread on Pistonheads (Pie & Piston section) called 'Prison?'

(with my limited computer knowledge I don't know how to post a direct link, anyone help??)

It makes very interesting reading, with an insight on what happened to a guy out enjoying his car, if you've got some time to spare, have a read. Its powerful stuff

Cheers
John

[RooniusMaximus]

Quote: Originally Posted by Hartge210 (original)

Check out a thread on Pistonheads (Pie & Piston section) called 'Prison?'

(with my limited computer knowledge I don't know how to post a direct link, anyone help??)

It makes very interesting reading, with an insight on what happened to a guy out enjoying his car, if you've got some time to spare, have a read. Its powerful stuff

Cheers
John

Yup - that's the thread I was thinking about. ANd here it is:

Prison?

It's about 5 posts down when '10 pence short' talks about what happened. If you've not read it, I suggest you do.

He then goes on to explain a few other things about his situation. I've mis-remembered slightly in that I thought he'd killed the other guy. He didn't, but neither of their lives will be the same again.

[madjohn]

I want to know if they was having sex in the car , from the screams comming from the girl in the video at a 130mph ?