Mini2.com Forum Header Mini2.com Forum Header
» Premium
» Wheel & Tire Center

» Sponsors
» Sponsors
Go Back   MINI2 - MINI Forum > All Models & Variants > General Discussion

General Discussion Use this forum to discuss MINI topics which are not related to other forums. Posts may be moved from here to alternative forums by the moderators without notice

Please Visit our Site Sponsors

MINI2.com is the largest MINI Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Dec 2nd, 2009, 12:41 PM
Roger Smith
Offline
MINI2 Newbie
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Hants, England
Posts: 4
Local Time: 05:21 AM
United Kingdom Male View Roger Smith's Lightning Blue & White 2nd Gen MINI Cooper Profile
United-Kingdom Stolen Mini Cooper

My wife's retirement car was an Electric Blue Cooper (Union Jack roof) LJ57SRX and it was stolen from the driveway last week

It was a Mk.2 with the keyfob/immobiliser, the drive is overlooked by three houses, there was no broken glass, and the car was seen on a police traffic camera at 12:45 a.m. driving towards Portsmouth. The car was bought 2nd hand from a London dealership (6 months ago) and was serviced just recently at the local BMW/Mini franchise.

Our (and police's) assumption is that the thief must have had a key. Both of our keys were safe and sound. So in checking with MINI UK, a third key had been registered by the dealership 3 days before delivery of the car. In challenging them over the key issue, they claim it was done because a key had 'gone missing', but were unable to say whether the missing one had been deactivated

In discussions I have found out that another insurance company had some issues with the dealer over a loss of a BMW.

If there was an active key in circulation then this could have clearly been passed on and used. The Sales Director said to me that you can also clone keyfob transponder keys. In looking at the web there are Chinese keyfob copiers advertised, does anyone out there know whether a Mk.2 keyfob can be cloned by one of these machines or by any other means (to avoid a record on the MINI/BMW database)?

Thanks in advance for your help and if you see my wife's car, please let me know
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 

  #2 (permalink)  
Old Dec 2nd, 2009, 01:16 PM
iain cooper
Offline
still learning
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: near Glasgow
Posts: 986
Local Time: 05:21 AM
Scotland Male
certainly sounds a bit suspicious that this dealership registered a third key three days before you collected the car ??

looks like it's been stolen to order, and I doubt if you will see it again.

sorry to be so pessimistic, but that's what I think.

Iain
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Dec 2nd, 2009, 01:52 PM
MACKIT's Avatar
MACKIT
Offline
Loving his new shoes...
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Surrey
Posts: 495
Local Time: 05:21 AM
United Kingdom Male View MACKIT's Pepper White & Black 2nd Gen MINI John Cooper Works Profile
Sorry to hear this Roger. It's a shame that there are scumdogs out there who would do something like this.

I would personally go mental if i found out that a key existed for my car that was not in my possession. That is totally unacceptable. I hope you get to the bottom of that with the dealership in question.

I and I'm sure others will keep an eye out but as Iain has hinted at, this looks like someone who knew what they were doing.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Dec 2nd, 2009, 02:36 PM
Silverado
Offline
MINI2 Regular
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: South West
Posts: 120
Local Time: 05:21 AM
United Kingdom Male
It sounds to me as though somebody at the dealers took one of the original keys and has either bided their time or sold it on to a third party. This seems far more likely than somebody cloning the key.

If this is the case then your chances of getting the car back would appear to be slim.

Nothing else to do really apart from treating it as an insurance claim and never buying from that dealer again.

I would though contact MINI UK and find out whether the original key was deactivated. In any event I would make MINI UK aware of what happened and what the dealer said. I would copy the dealer in on your letter. The dealer may then be more "careful" in future and you may well prevent further thefts.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Dec 2nd, 2009, 04:31 PM
MiniAcadie's Avatar
MiniAcadie
Offline
MINI2 Newbie
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Dieppe, NB, Canada
Posts: 39
Local Time: 02:21 AM
Canada Male
Now isn't that a swift kick in the nuts? So sorry for your loss. I agree with Silverado: sahre your info with MINI UK.

Take care.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Dec 2nd, 2009, 05:47 PM
garyelaine
Offline
MINI2 Newbie
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 39
Local Time: 05:21 AM
United Kingdom
Quote: Originally Posted by MiniAcadie (original)
Now isn't that a swift kick in the nuts? So sorry for your loss. I agree with Silverado: sahre your info with MINI UK.

Take care.

It must be someone at the dealer or who could get on to the DVLA data base to get your address, what scum.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Dec 2nd, 2009, 05:59 PM
NeuroBeaker's Avatar
NeuroBeaker
MINI2 Privilege Member
Has met Quack Quack Jack
Offline
PowerSteeringPumpActivist
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Behind the wheel
Posts: 8,391
Local Time: 05:21 AM
Scotland Male View NeuroBeaker's Indi Blue & Body Color 1st Gen MINI One Profile
Sorry to hear that Roger, that's an awful thing to happen.

I agree with Silverado:

Quote: Originally Posted by Silverado (original)
It sounds to me as though somebody at the dealers took one of the original keys and has either bided their time or sold it on to a third party. This seems far more likely than somebody cloning the key.

If this is the case then your chances of getting the car back would appear to be slim.

Nothing else to do really apart from treating it as an insurance claim and never buying from that dealer again.

I would though contact MINI UK and find out whether the original key was deactivated. In any event I would make MINI UK aware of what happened and what the dealer said. I would copy the dealer in on your letter. The dealer may then be more "careful" in future and you may well prevent further thefts.

That's definitely the way to handle the issues about the third key and the dealership.

All the best,
Andrew.

NeuroBeaker - Proud owner of "Zeus" (a 'slightly modified' 2004 MINI ONE).
My Advice Threads (Click on Titles): [1st Gen. Power Steering Pump Failures] [Thread Titles]
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Dec 2nd, 2009, 06:59 PM
S8RAH
Offline
MINI2 Senior
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Blackburn
Posts: 581
Local Time: 05:21 AM
United Kingdom Female
Sorry to hear this Roger. I've got to agree with the others in that you should share the info with MINIUK but obviously be careful what you say. Regardless of your (and our) suspisions, cover your back.
I really hope your wife gets her car back, it's awful that her special car was taken.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Dec 2nd, 2009, 07:59 PM
njh123uk
Offline
MINI2 Newbie
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Cardiff/Bristol
Posts: 37
Local Time: 05:21 AM
United Kingdom View njh123uk's Pepper White & Black 2nd Gen MINI Cooper Diesel Profile
Sounds like somebody is taking orders as a sideline Roger, and unfortunately it just happened to be you - wrong place, wrong time.

B******s - totally unacceptable that the dealer is making a copy of a key. If they do, they should tell you, otherwise what guarantees do you have that there isn't somebody out there with access to YOUR property (having said that this could happen to anybody).

Agree with previous comments - first port of call is to get in touch with Mini UK, kick up an absolute fuss and make sure your complaint goes right to the top (I know from experience that complaints can get buried in paperwork and when you think things are progressing they aren't). Mini should be actively pursuing the dealer on this - they're representing the brand!

Hope you get your car back, and the scum at the dealers get their **** kicked and appropriate action taken against them.

Fingers crossed for a safe return of the car, or if not, a replacement, from a different dealership.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Dec 2nd, 2009, 08:24 PM
Simon Syddall's Avatar
Simon Syddall
Offline
Syd
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Lincolnshire
Posts: 143
Local Time: 05:21 AM
United Kingdom Male View Simon Syddall's Pepper White & Black 2nd Gen MINI John Cooper Works Profile
Very sorry to hear this - not sure if I would want the car back, anyway, but hope you get properly (and quickly) recompensed. In all of this, insurance companies (who are only just eclipsed by banks, as robbing bast**ds) take so long to do anything, failing to realise all you want is your/a car back.

What a big worry. So much is made of the car can't be stolen without the key - you buy a car in good faith, allegedly with all it's keys and then this happens.

On the evidence, it has to be an inside job in the dealer and I would look to them for recompense. Realise you can't name them for the obvious legal reasons, but they need some heavy threats. It will be interesting to see if anyone defends them.

This takes the selling of customers' parts (taken off, when upgrades are fitted) on ebay, to a whole new level and is very worrying, because dealers' computer databases carry a huge amount of personal information (address, bank details etc), as well.

There REALLY are some scum bags out there.

Good luck!!

UNLESS YOU LIVE LIFE ON THE EDGE, YOU ARE TAKING UP TOO MUCH SPACE
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old Dec 2nd, 2009, 08:44 PM
Deep_27a's Avatar
Deep_27a
Offline
Deep_27a
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Midlands
Posts: 129
Local Time: 05:21 AM
United Kingdom Male View Deep_27a's Astro Black & Body Color 2nd Gen MINI Cooper S Profile
Whats the name of the dealer?
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old Dec 2nd, 2009, 09:07 PM
Murker1991's Avatar
Murker1991
Offline
MINI2 Regular
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Essex
Posts: 259
Local Time: 05:21 AM
United Kingdom Male View Murker1991's Nightfire Red & Body Color 2nd Gen MINI One Profile
personally i would demand the dealer recompensate you if they are at fault, how can they make another copy of the key without deactivating the old one, how can they possibly think thats acceptable, its disgraceful.. please provide dealerships name to avoid these hustlers trying it again, threaten to go to the papers, and the watchdog for the industry and im sure if you kick up a big enough fuss action will be taken on your behalf

Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old Dec 2nd, 2009, 09:17 PM
rduke222
Offline
MINI2 Newbie
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 3
Local Time: 05:21 AM
United States
In the U.S., the insurance company would reimburse you (get you a new car). They (the insurance company) would go after the dealership or whomever. If you try to make demands of the dealership they will obviously deny any responsibility. Your car was insured ?
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old Dec 2nd, 2009, 09:42 PM
Silverado
Offline
MINI2 Regular
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: South West
Posts: 120
Local Time: 05:21 AM
United Kingdom Male
Quote: Originally Posted by rduke222 (original)
In the U.S., the insurance company would reimburse you (get you a new car). They (the insurance company) would go after the dealership or whomever. If you try to make demands of the dealership they will obviously deny any responsibility. Your car was insured ?

Same here in the UK. The insurance company will pay market value (less any excess). The insurance company would have a potential right of subrogation against the dealership.

Like you, I don't think that the dealer will accept any responsibility. There's just no evidence unless MINI UK can come up with anything. That leaves the insurance route - and complaints to MINI UK.
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old Dec 3rd, 2009, 01:57 AM
MINI Poser's Avatar
MINI Poser
Offline
The Red Fox
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Down on the coast
Posts: 4,979
Local Time: 05:21 AM
Send a message via MSN to MINI Poser
United Kingdom Male View MINI Poser's Liquid Yellow & White 1st Gen MINI Cooper S Profile
Do you have a piccie of your car so that us peeps can see it?

Also, where was the car taken from? Near Pompey or some distance away and pinged up around the Pompey area later?

I'll keep an eye out for it over the other side of Hampshire. I always check out MINIs when they pass me, mainly in the hope someone might wave...but now I have another reason to check!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags: , , ,



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
stolen mini cooper! fraindog First Generation MINI Cooper 32 Apr 5th, 2009 04:52 PM
stolen mini cooper ianmull General Discussion 25 Dec 30th, 2005 10:35 AM
Stolen Mini Cooper S JORD W General Discussion 45 Feb 12th, 2004 06:54 PM
Stolen Mini COOPER S JORD W First Generation MINI Cooper S 2 Jan 24th, 2004 11:48 AM
Stolen Mini Cooper S JORD W UK & Ireland Discussion & Event Planning 1 Jan 24th, 2004 11:39 AM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.1.0

All times are GMT. The time now is 05:21 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.2.0