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killian · Nov 1st, 2002, 02:22 PM

I'm just miserable. I picked up my Mini Cooper on Oct 21st. (Pepper White, Black Bonnet Stripes & Red cloth interior). Today (November 1st) I was T-boned by an ancient lady driving a '71 Chevy. (It was as wide as the Mini was long.) She plowed through a stop sign. Neither of us was hurt - although my friend said I should have strangled her by her panty hose.

The collision pushed my Mini into the air and spun it 180 degrees. It landed upright but broke the axle. Passenger side was crunched. It was ugly. I took pictures and will post them later.

But my point to this posting, my airbags did not deploy. At all! I was very surprised.

Anybody else have the same thing happen?

Lori

KenL · Nov 1st, 2002, 02:29 PM

Sorry to hear about your crash. These old folks should not be be driving.

As to the airbag. Could it be it didn't deploy because there was no one sitting in the passenger seat?

tomorthway · Nov 1st, 2002, 02:38 PM

most accidents are caused by young whippersnappers like you check it out.everyone is different even you

HarryHBMCC · Nov 1st, 2002, 02:56 PM

Someone else was hit in passenger side recently and I believe the side bag deployed even though no one was sitting in it.

Harry

Cape Cod MINI · Nov 1st, 2002, 03:08 PM

That sucks. Are you hurt at all? Hope you are OK.
Having your MINI wrecked must be painful.
Want to see the pics. so we can all see how the MINI held up.
Best of luck.

killian · Nov 1st, 2002, 03:18 PM

Thanks for all the responses. Nice to know other Mini-lovers care about ya! The only camera I could get my hands on was the old fashioned kind with film. (LOL) So it will take a day to two to get the pics back. I will post them soon.

I just re-read the accident report. The lady who hit me is 89 years old. I know it must be a hard thing to give up your driving privleges, but at some point, you have to for the other person's sake.

Lori

Anybody have a non-wrecked white cooper/black roof with red interior for sale? :-(

chiph · Nov 1st, 2002, 03:24 PM

Killian -

When you get your pics developed and scanned, can I have your permission to use them on my site: www.wreckedmini.com?

Thanks.
Chip H.

catalyst · Nov 1st, 2002, 03:40 PM

What a nightmare! Most importantly, it sounds like you sustained no (physical) damage.

I have grown very confident in the Cooper's stability, handling and control being able to allow me to avoid trouble on the road, although I occasionally think about an uncontrollable scenario like yours, where some dimbulb appears out of nowhere.

Best wishes for a timely recovery.

catalyst

IBMiniG · Nov 1st, 2002, 05:08 PM

I too am very glad to hear YOU are OK. I'm sure its hard to remember that these are in fact things, we LOVE 'em but still things none the less, it will be replaced, you cant be. I hope that the aches and pains subside soon, even that tender spot for your MINI.

I know that my grandmother stoped driving after she pulled out in front of someone. I felt bad for everyone in that case, and you in this case, are the unfortunate victim.

It's comforting to know that your "David" MINI protected you well against that Chevy "Goliath"

Take care...

BillK · Nov 1st, 2002, 06:06 PM

killian,

Very happy you are OK.

Quote:

killian wrote:
Thanks for all the responses. Nice to know other Mini-lovers care about ya!

One thing I have found on these forums is that there are a lot of good, caring people out there who are MINI owners.

We are hearing a lot about airbags not deploying. I know that there are a lot of variables that determine if and when they do deploy, but the number of incidents causing questions is troubling.

On the other hand, in a large versus small vehicle side impact collision, you still walked away. That is a good thing and a testament to the overall safety of the MINI.

With a car as new as yours, you should make sure they flat out replace the car with a new MINI, and they need to provide you with a car while you wait for delivery.

NEMINI · Nov 1st, 2002, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BillK
We are hearing a lot about airbags not deploying. I know that there are a lot of variables that determine if and when they do deploy, but the number of incidents causing questions is troubling.

On the other hand, in a large versus small vehicle side impact collision, you still walked away. That is a good thing and a testament to the overall safety of the MINI.

I have yet to hear of a single case where an airbag did not deploy and the driver/passenger were subsequently injured more then they would have if the airbag did deploy. Folks are walking away unharmed so it's a testament to the programming of when to deploy an airbag. Those things are not cheap and can cause minor injuries of their own (typically limited to minor burns from the bag 'firing'). They are specifically designed not to go off unless absolutely needed.

BillK · Nov 1st, 2002, 06:33 PM

Yes, airbags can in and of themselves cause injuries, mostly abrasions and burns, so they are being designed better to actuate only when needed.

There is another thread though about a guy in the Phillipines who's airbag did not deploy and the driver subsequently died of injuries sustained in the crash. Here again however, even though it was NOT a roll-over, from the description I could see that it could look like one to the sensors, therefore no deployment. It will take a forensic reconstruction of the accident to know for sure.

Still other threads bring up harness faults that cause the airbag warning light to illuminate. If the warning light is on, the airbag system sees a fault and the airbags will not deploy. I hope that this problem has now been fixed, but I plan to watch for it in my MINI.

EBMCS03 · Nov 1st, 2002, 07:24 PM

OUCH!! that sucks...

Glad to hear that u are ok tho!

kshapiro · Nov 1st, 2002, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KenL
Sorry to hear about your crash. These old folks should not be be driving.

As to the airbag. Could it be it didn't deploy because there was no one sitting in the passenger seat?

Paul Newman could outdrive 99.9% of the youngsters on this website...no, in the world. How old is Paul now?

Mike & Donna in Ca. · Nov 1st, 2002, 07:52 PM

Sorry to hear about your poor MINI! That really stinks especially since it sounds like it could be totalled? And the wait for a new one is months as we all know

But glad to hear that you are okay

NEMINI · Nov 1st, 2002, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kshapiro

Paul Newman could outdrive 99.9% of the youngsters on this website...no, in the world. How old is Paul now?

There are exceptions to every rule ... that is why I've always said there should be mandatory driving tests everytime you renew your license, that way the bad drivers (due to age, lack of skill or laziness) would either have to attend driving school or do without a license if they couldnt prove they could drive safely

jtalarico · Nov 1st, 2002, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kshapiro

Paul Newman could outdrive 99.9% of the youngsters on this website...no, in the world. How old is Paul now?

539.

Oh wait, that's dog years.

BruceK · Nov 1st, 2002, 10:27 PM

Sorry to hear about your accident. Others have already said it, but the important part really is that nobody was injured. I wish you good luck getting your MINI sorted out.

Paul · Nov 2nd, 2002, 05:54 AM

I'm glad you're OK.

The lack of Air-Bag deployment is a little worrying, but as you're OK, I guess they did not need to be deployed in this instance.

killian · Nov 2nd, 2002, 01:29 PM

This is the crash I mentioned on my post yesterday. I'm still so miserable over the whole thing. She was only 10 days old. :-( And - I found out last night that the old lady had let her auto insurance expire - so she has none! ARRGH!

At any rate, I'm meeting with the adjuster on Monday. I'd appreciate any advice you guys can give me. Do you think that if repaired, it would be the same as before? Should I ask only for "factory" parts vs after market? Any hope I could get it totaled and be able to order a new one? How badly do you think the back wheel is damaged?

Nov 1st, 2002, 02:22 PM	#1
killian MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Florida Local Time: 09:29 AM Posts: 14 Offline	T-BoneCrash-NoSideAirbagsDeployed I'm just miserable. I picked up my Mini Cooper on Oct 21st. (Pepper White, Black Bonnet Stripes & Red cloth interior). Today (November 1st) I was T-boned by an ancient lady driving a '71 Chevy. (It was as wide as the Mini was long.) She plowed through a stop sign. Neither of us was hurt - although my friend said I should have strangled her by her panty hose. The collision pushed my Mini into the air and spun it 180 degrees. It landed upright but broke the axle. Passenger side was crunched. It was ugly. I took pictures and will post them later. But my point to this posting, my airbags did not deploy. At all! I was very surprised. Anybody else have the same thing happen? Lori 2003 Pepper White Cooper Picked up on Oct 21, 2002 - T-Boned by an 89 yr old woman on Nov 1st, 2002. Was I destined not to have a Mini?

Nov 1st, 2002, 02:29 PM	#2 (permalink)
KenL MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2002 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 04:29 PM Posts: 5,216 Offline	Sorry to hear about your crash. These old folks should not be be driving. As to the airbag. Could it be it didn't deploy because there was no one sitting in the passenger seat? Red/Black R56 Cooper

Nov 1st, 2002, 02:38 PM	#3 (permalink)
tomorthway MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2002 Location: brooklyn ny Local Time: 03:29 PM Posts: 71 Offline	old folks? most accidents are caused by young whippersnappers like you check it out.everyone is different even you tom orthway

Nov 1st, 2002, 02:56 PM	#4 (permalink)
HarryHBMCC MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Guelph, Ontario, Can Local Time: 10:29 AM Posts: 2,686 Offline	Someone else was hit in passenger side recently and I believe the side bag deployed even though no one was sitting in it. Harry MINI Cooper Cabrio: now the car with go cart handling really feels like an open go cart! "... the only man that can come home at 3 am in the morning without getting into trouble with his spouse is the owner of a British sports car!" -- Phil Bailey

Nov 1st, 2002, 03:08 PM	#5 (permalink)
Cape Cod MINI Exposing the Beast Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cape Cod, MA Local Time: 11:29 AM Posts: 5,359 Offline	That sucks. Are you hurt at all? Hope you are OK. Having your MINI wrecked must be painful. Want to see the pics. so we can all see how the MINI held up. Best of luck. Missing my buddies Dan and Ed but glad I have two angel buddies, And on a quest to Right Secco's Wrongs

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Nov 1st, 2002, 03:18 PM	#6 (permalink)
killian MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Florida Local Time: 09:29 AM Posts: 14 Offline	Thanks for all the responses. Nice to know other Mini-lovers care about ya! The only camera I could get my hands on was the old fashioned kind with film. (LOL) So it will take a day to two to get the pics back. I will post them soon. I just re-read the accident report. The lady who hit me is 89 years old. I know it must be a hard thing to give up your driving privleges, but at some point, you have to for the other person's sake. Lori Anybody have a non-wrecked white cooper/black roof with red interior for sale? :-( 2003 Pepper White Cooper Picked up on Oct 21, 2002 - T-Boned by an 89 yr old woman on Nov 1st, 2002. Was I destined not to have a Mini?

Nov 1st, 2002, 03:24 PM	#7 (permalink)
chiph Spectator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Raleigh, NC Local Time: 11:29 AM Posts: 1,574 Offline	Killian - When you get your pics developed and scanned, can I have your permission to use them on my site: www.wreckedmini.com? Thanks. Chip H. ex-MINI Cooper S owner and all around good-guy

Nov 1st, 2002, 03:40 PM	#8 (permalink)
catalyst MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Flint Hills of Kansas, USA Local Time: 10:29 AM Posts: 128 Offline	What a nightmare! Most importantly, it sounds like you sustained no (physical) damage. I have grown very confident in the Cooper's stability, handling and control being able to allow me to avoid trouble on the road, although I occasionally think about an uncontrollable scenario like yours, where some dimbulb appears out of nowhere. Best wishes for a timely recovery. catalyst 2002 Pepper White Cooper 5 speed, Black roof w/ spoiler, sunroof, Black kaleido cloth sport seats, silver 7-hole wheels, DSC, front fogs, chrome lines, MFSW, built 8/7, acquired 9/12

Nov 1st, 2002, 05:08 PM	#9 (permalink)
IBMiniG MINI2 Master Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Local Time: 08:29 AM Posts: 875 Offline	I too am very glad to hear YOU are OK. I'm sure its hard to remember that these are in fact things, we LOVE 'em but still things none the less, it will be replaced, you cant be. I hope that the aches and pains subside soon, even that tender spot for your MINI. I know that my grandmother stoped driving after she pulled out in front of someone. I felt bad for everyone in that case, and you in this case, are the unfortunate victim. It's comforting to know that your "David" MINI protected you well against that Chevy "Goliath" Take care... WARNING-Objects in rear view mirror have a tendency to disappear! 9/20 build '03 MCS IB/W/W, everything but the NAV & Sunroof

Nov 1st, 2002, 06:06 PM	#10 (permalink)
BillK MINI2 Senior Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Irvine, CA Local Time: 08:29 AM Posts: 541 Offline	killian, Very happy you are OK. Quote: killian wrote: Thanks for all the responses. Nice to know other Mini-lovers care about ya! One thing I have found on these forums is that there are a lot of good, caring people out there who are MINI owners. We are hearing a lot about airbags not deploying. I know that there are a lot of variables that determine if and when they do deploy, but the number of incidents causing questions is troubling. On the other hand, in a large versus small vehicle side impact collision, you still walked away. That is a good thing and a testament to the overall safety of the MINI. With a car as new as yours, you should make sure they flat out replace the car with a new MINI, and they need to provide you with a car while you wait for delivery.

Nov 1st, 2002, 06:22 PM	#11 (permalink)
NEMINI NEMINI.org Join Date: Sep 2002 Local Time: 10:29 AM Posts: 7,911 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by BillK We are hearing a lot about airbags not deploying. I know that there are a lot of variables that determine if and when they do deploy, but the number of incidents causing questions is troubling. On the other hand, in a large versus small vehicle side impact collision, you still walked away. That is a good thing and a testament to the overall safety of the MINI. I have yet to hear of a single case where an airbag did not deploy and the driver/passenger were subsequently injured more then they would have if the airbag did deploy. Folks are walking away unharmed so it's a testament to the programming of when to deploy an airbag. Those things are not cheap and can cause minor injuries of their own (typically limited to minor burns from the bag 'firing'). They are specifically designed not to go off unless absolutely needed. NEMINI.org, NEMINI.us, NEMINI.info, NYMINI.org

Nov 1st, 2002, 06:33 PM	#12 (permalink)
BillK MINI2 Senior Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Irvine, CA Local Time: 08:29 AM Posts: 541 Offline	Yes, airbags can in and of themselves cause injuries, mostly abrasions and burns, so they are being designed better to actuate only when needed. There is another thread though about a guy in the Phillipines who's airbag did not deploy and the driver subsequently died of injuries sustained in the crash. Here again however, even though it was NOT a roll-over, from the description I could see that it could look like one to the sensors, therefore no deployment. It will take a forensic reconstruction of the accident to know for sure. Still other threads bring up harness faults that cause the airbag warning light to illuminate. If the warning light is on, the airbag system sees a fault and the airbags will not deploy. I hope that this problem has now been fixed, but I plan to watch for it in my MINI.

Nov 1st, 2002, 07:24 PM	#13 (permalink)
EBMCS03 M5 Extraordinare! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: So Cal Local Time: 08:29 AM Posts: 6,777 Offline	OUCH!! that sucks... Glad to hear that u are ok tho!

Nov 1st, 2002, 07:46 PM	#14 (permalink)
kshapiro MINI2 Master Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Baltimore, MD USA Local Time: 03:29 PM Posts: 938 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by KenL Sorry to hear about your crash. These old folks should not be be driving. As to the airbag. Could it be it didn't deploy because there was no one sitting in the passenger seat? Paul Newman could outdrive 99.9% of the youngsters on this website...no, in the world. How old is Paul now? Ken Shapiro Electric Blue w/ Sport Package...first "S" delivered in Maryland (5/10/02) I've been everywhere but the electric chair...I've seen everything but the wind.

Nov 1st, 2002, 07:52 PM	#15 (permalink)
Mike & Donna in Ca. MINI2 Senior Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oceanside, CA Local Time: 10:29 AM Posts: 385 Offline	Sorry to hear about your poor MINI! That really stinks especially since it sounds like it could be totalled? And the wait for a new one is months as we all know But glad to hear that you are okay '05 HB/W MCS "Gizmo" + '05 Cool Blue MCSC "Ariel"

Nov 1st, 2002, 08:08 PM	#16 (permalink)
NEMINI NEMINI.org Join Date: Sep 2002 Local Time: 10:29 AM Posts: 7,911 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by kshapiro Paul Newman could outdrive 99.9% of the youngsters on this website...no, in the world. How old is Paul now? There are exceptions to every rule ... that is why I've always said there should be mandatory driving tests everytime you renew your license, that way the bad drivers (due to age, lack of skill or laziness) would either have to attend driving school or do without a license if they couldnt prove they could drive safely NEMINI.org, NEMINI.us, NEMINI.info, NYMINI.org

Nov 1st, 2002, 09:53 PM	#17 (permalink)
jtalarico MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Frozen Tundra Local Time: 10:29 AM Posts: 225 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by kshapiro Paul Newman could outdrive 99.9% of the youngsters on this website...no, in the world. How old is Paul now? 539. Oh wait, that's dog years. PS/B MCS, bonnet stripes, everything but the satnav, 17" S-Lites

Nov 1st, 2002, 10:27 PM	#18 (permalink)
BruceK Moderator & Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: San Antonio, Texas Local Time: 09:29 AM Posts: 3,759 Offline	Sorry to hear about your accident. Others have already said it, but the important part really is that nobody was injured. I wish you good luck getting your MINI sorted out. + 2002 MINI Cooper S - Dark Silver / White roof, Sport, Premium, Lapis blue leather + 1965 Mini Traveller - Tartan Red / White roof, 1275, Cooper S discs, fully restored/renewed

Nov 2nd, 2002, 05:54 AM	#19 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 04:29 PM Posts: 40,781 Online	I'm glad you're OK. The lack of Air-Bag deployment is a little worrying, but as you're OK, I guess they did not need to be deployed in this instance.

Nov 2nd, 2002, 01:29 PM	#20 (permalink)
killian MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Florida Local Time: 09:29 AM Posts: 14 Offline	TBoneCrash(Nov1st)-Pictures-NeedInputPlease! This is the crash I mentioned on my post yesterday. I'm still so miserable over the whole thing. She was only 10 days old. :-( And - I found out last night that the old lady had let her auto insurance expire - so she has none! ARRGH! At any rate, I'm meeting with the adjuster on Monday. I'd appreciate any advice you guys can give me. Do you think that if repaired, it would be the same as before? Should I ask only for "factory" parts vs after market? Any hope I could get it totaled and be able to order a new one? How badly do you think the back wheel is damaged? Attached Thumbnails 2003 Pepper White Cooper Picked up on Oct 21, 2002 - T-Boned by an 89 yr old woman on Nov 1st, 2002. Was I destined not to have a Mini?

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