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Old Dec 9th, 2013, 11:00 PM
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Mini engine dispute

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I've registered here in the hope of finding someone who is more knowledgeable about Mini engines than myself and can hopefully answer my questions!

My original Mini engine essentially exploded at the beginning of October and I went for a remanufactured one as a replacement. Found the advert on eBay, got the mechanics to check it and they confirmed from the photos that it was a complete engine with ancillaries and I bought it. There followed endless problems with the company and at the end of it all I discovered that the engine they delivered was not what had been advertised on eBay - it was neither a complete engine or a BMW manufactured one. It was an incomplete Toyota one. However by this point it had already been fitted and tested!

To cut a long story short, their response to my complaint was that if I can find a BMW manufactured 1.4TD Mini engine they will give me a complete refund. They claim that they are only manufactured by Toyota.

I can find references online to BMW manufacturing plants for their Diesel engines and also a photograph of an engine that has MINI written across the top of it so there must be specific engines made for Mini's - I don't have one! What was advertised was a complete, BMW manufactured Mini Diesel engine. They specify the manufacturer in the listing themselves and the photos they use are not the photos of the engine they supplied. I've already quoted the Sale of Goods Act 1979 and Misrepresentation Act 1967 at them but I wondered if anyone had any further knowledge on the subject? Please?!

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What model MINI do you have and what is the build date?
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Yes, the early R50 Mini One 1.4 Diesel engine was bought in from Toyota by BMW (as BMW did not have a suitable small diesel engine at the time) and was also used in the Toyota Yaris.....providing it is in working order not sure what is the problem.......you can always fit the top cover with Mini written on it?
Many component parts and engines on modern cars are the same and shared by various car manufacturers......some later Mini's use Peugeot shared engines for instance.
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It's a Mini 1 and 05 registration.

The dispute is over the fact that I thought I was buying what was advertised - a Diesel engine for a Mini One, manufactured by BMW.

The first thing is that I received an incomplete engine as opposed to the complete engine shown in the photograph - which is what I actually wanted. And the second was that it was not manufactured by BMW.

Basically - will it be possible to find a link somewhere to a photo or something showing a 1.4 TD engine suitable for a 05 reg Mini One manufactured by BMW? These people are complete con artists and I'd love to stop them in their tracks so other people don't get ripped off.
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I bought a 2006 ONED because it had the Toyota 1.4 D4D engine. BMW were changing to a Peugeot built unit the next year. You seem to have the correct engine so no complaints there, however if it was not as complete as advertised then that is what you need to complain about.
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Quote: Originally Posted by SarahH (original)
... will it be possible to find a link somewhere to a photo or something showing a 1.4 TD engine suitable for a 05 reg Mini One manufactured by BMW?

No, because as above BMW used a Toyota engine for the 1st Gen MINI One.
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If you paid for the engine through ebay by PayPal or outside of ebay via Credit Card then either should be prepared to get involved in the resolution of your dispute with the vendor.

Have you raised a dispute with Paypal or contact your credit card company?

If the engine supplied was not as describe e.g. it was not complete with all ancillaries then you ought to be able to get some of your money back.

If the item supplied differed greatly from the picture posted with the listing then again you ought to be able to negotiate a refund.

I think it is clear from others responses that BMW didn't actually manufacture these engines and that the only difference between those fitted to MINI and those used in Toyota (Yaris) was probably only the camshaft cover or plastic trim with either MINI or Toyota named on it.

However, I would be cautious about accepting that these two engines are identical......it is quite usual for the engines to be supplied in different states of tune for different applications and/or to have different final drive ratios etc. They also often have different ancillaries fitted.

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As said above BMW never manufactured your engine....it was bought in from Toyota and fitted at the Mini factory in Oxford.....if the correct BMW ancillaries have been fitted or transferred over from your old engine it should be fine. If your original gearbox was fitted to the engine then gears and final drive will also be ok. Swop the cam cover with the Mini badge on and job done.

Incomplete engine all depends on what the original ad said and what you received.......an incomplete engine is often described as a 'short' engine by engine reconditioners and car breakers.
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Hi, thanks so much for all of the replies.

I spent a long time on the phone yesterday to the Head Office at BMW and basically what happened is that the same base engine was used between Toyota and BMW - however this was then taken and made specific to each make of car so it is correct to say that some engines were manufactured by BMW and some by Toyota - they are not generic engines.

I also phoned a Mini dealership who confirmed that they could provide a BMW remanufactured Mini engine for 4,000 - coming direct from their plant in Germany.

So it seems to me that this company were not entitled to advertise this engine as a BMW manufactured, reconditioned engine. I absolutely believe that they intended to mislead and there is no question that the engine supplied was not what was advertised.

Thank you again for your help
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If you go with a 4000 BMW supplied engine plus cost of fitting won't this write the Mini off as an uneconomic repair?........sometimes you have to make compromises on the parts fitted to older cars to keep them on the road.
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