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Kinster · Jan 21st, 2003, 09:44 AM

Hi,

Which would you choose and why?

MINI Cooper with Chilli (half leather, fogs)
Auto Air Con
17" S-Spokes
CD Boost
Alarm
ASC+T
TLC

£14920

MINI Cooper S (includes ASC+T + Alarm)
Manual Air Con
16" V-Spokes
CD Boost
Cloth Seats
Fog lights
TLC

£15765

I've currently got the Cooper and may have the chance to upgrade to an S. Is it worth it with the sort of low spec?

Kind regards

zzz · Jan 21st, 2003, 10:03 AM

low spec s

because:
- the cloth seats are excellent - they look at least as good as the leather ones

- auto air con is not all it's cracked up to be from what i've heard

- the 16" wheels look better than the 17" anyway

- you can get a decent stereo fitted later on when you have a bit more money

- you can get electric blue with white bits

- it is the best drive there is

i had the same dilemma before buying my s but it was the best decision i've ever made. definitely worth upgrading... better check out the insurance first though.

KenL · Jan 21st, 2003, 10:06 AM

Depends what you want from the car ???

If you want the best drive then get the S. If you love your gadgets and comforts and find your current Cooper fast enough then get the Cooper and save a few quid. Also consider the added ownership costs with the S of increased fuel and insurance costs.

Personally I don't think I would spend so much on options for the Cooper (over £3k) and would probably pick the S from your two scenarios.

Humourl3ss · Jan 21st, 2003, 11:35 AM

Cooper S. Definitely go with the MCS.

I would regret giving up that much torque and hp just to get some leather and 17" rims.

Besides, the MCS you've listed is hardly a stripper. It'd be sufficient for my needs, certainly.

-CW

GTT 280 · Jan 21st, 2003, 11:49 AM

I currently have afully laoded Cooper and have just ordered a fully loaded MCS (both excluding sun roof & sat nav).

If you want an MCS for that little bit more money then I'd seriously consider gettin g full leather. I'd never go back to cloth. Don't be too bothered about the wheels and stereo though !!

Seats are the main thing really.

Cheers,
EB MINI

KenL · Jan 21st, 2003, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by EB MINI
I currently have afully laoded Cooper and have just ordered a fully loaded MCS (both excluding sun roof & sat nav).

If you want an MCS for that little bit more money then I'd seriously consider gettin g full leather. I'd never go back to cloth. Don't be too bothered about the wheels and stereo though !!

Seats are the main thing really.

Cheers,
EB MINI

Leather seats are of course a matter of personal preference. I not too keen on them (full leather anyway) and certainly don't think they're worth the large extra outlay.

Even if you like them it's something you can live without especially if you're on a budget.

Hat · Jan 21st, 2003, 11:55 AM

the biggest consideration should be can you afford the higher insurance & fuel consumption of the 'S' over the Cooper?

flipper · Jan 21st, 2003, 12:55 PM

Go for the Cooper and put the difference towards a cherished number which you can transfer to your new high spec MCS next time around

Wobert · Jan 21st, 2003, 12:59 PM

Remember the options will depriciate at a greater rate than the base car....my dealer suggested not adding options amounting to more than 20% of the base car.

I was in this exact dilemma.....went for the "S" as it will hold it's value better over the long term....plus you gain the benefits of having a higher performance car....

RYN · Jan 21st, 2003, 03:25 PM

i had this dilema, but you have to ask at what price you want to stop. I would have loved the 's' but could not realistically afford to run it for another few years, therefore opted for a higher speced cooper with some of the s feature i like, like the dash board.

End of the day its up to you, but insuance and fuel will be more expensive.

RYN

Lemmiwinks · Jan 21st, 2003, 03:35 PM

You can always add the luxury bits later should you wish, Get the S, it is the foundation on which you could build up all the options later. After all, you dont but a house for the curtains. As stated before the running cost will be higher, so figure the insurance/gas premiums before you make up you mind.

Cooper =

CooperS =

Kinster · Jan 21st, 2003, 03:51 PM

How much more petrol/gas does the S consume compared to the Cooper?

mfc · Jan 21st, 2003, 04:08 PM

I am a Motoring Advisor and I bought an S. I love it, but there is honestly nothing I do in my S that could not be done in a cooper. I'm a big fan of the Cooper, I think that had the S never been released people would still be saying that the cooper is one heck of a car. I do quite a bit of driving (I just passed 10K in less than 5 months) so for fuel consumption purposes I'd rather have the Cooper. JMHO!
Either way, you're bound to have tons of fun...
=Mark

mfc · Jan 21st, 2003, 04:09 PM

Cooper *claimed* consumption 28/37
Cooper S *claimed* consumption 24/33

IgorTheHunchback · Jan 21st, 2003, 04:18 PM

Cooper not Cooper S.

Igor thinks that Cooper is a LOT cheaper in price, insurance and petrol.

Igor also thinks that people in Cooper S's think they are too good to wave or flash at other minis

Igor thinks for the price of S you can get Cooper + More Accessories + body kit and other nice things

Igor thinks you should NOT join the dark side and instead get Cooper

GTT 280 · Jan 21st, 2003, 05:13 PM

I intend to flash at all MINI drivers when I get my MCS.

No need for any rude comments here.

I think Igor needs to learn how to speak proper english

EB MINI

robby · Jan 21st, 2003, 06:50 PM

To be honest, I would love to have an 'S' but I know that I would be tempted to use the performance and I would end up getting points and a ban! The Cooper gets to 70mph in no time at all and is entertaining enough for me to enjoy it most of the time without feeling short changed on performance. As the Cooper needs to be 'worked' to give its best, you can have alot of fun at legal speeds.

Tony Craggs · Jan 21st, 2003, 07:42 PM

My Cooper is my everyday transport which going to work means a lot of slow town driving for which there would be no benefit to an MCS. I find my well specced Cooper fast enough and enough fun for my needs.

The extra insurance and fuel cossts can be a decisive factor unless money is no object.

GTT 280 · Jan 21st, 2003, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tony Craggs
My Cooper is my everyday transport which going to work means a lot of slow town driving for which there would be no benefit to an MCS. I find my well specced Cooper fast enough and enough fun for my needs.

The extra insurance and fuel cossts can be a decisive factor unless money is no object.

How can money be an object if we're all going to die from chemical poisoning and nuclear attacks ???? Morbid I know, but tell that to the leaders of the nations...

Cheers,
EB MINI

Kinster · Jan 21st, 2003, 08:17 PM

If money was no object I'll be driving a Ferrari now.

My insurance premium will be an extra £240 a year for the S.

MINI Cooper S (includes ASC+T + Alarm)
Manual Air Con - May need to get rid of this now
16" V-Spokes
CD Boost
Cloth Seats
Fog lights
TLC

£15765 £15165

Jan 21st, 2003, 09:44 AM	#1
Kinster BarWeetGarNarWeetNinnyBon Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Location: Location Local Time: 02:45 AM Posts: 2,633 Offline	Hi Spec Cooper or Low Spec S? Hi, Which would you choose and why? MINI Cooper with Chilli (half leather, fogs) Auto Air Con 17" S-Spokes CD Boost Alarm ASC+T TLC £14920 MINI Cooper S (includes ASC+T + Alarm) Manual Air Con 16" V-Spokes CD Boost Cloth Seats Fog lights TLC £15765 I've currently got the Cooper and may have the chance to upgrade to an S. Is it worth it with the sort of low spec? Kind regards Hyper Blue/Blue MCSC with Chilli 'No man will make a great leader who wants to do it all himself' A. Carnegie

Jan 21st, 2003, 10:03 AM	#2 (permalink)
zzz MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Local Time: 02:45 AM Posts: 83 Offline	low spec s because: - the cloth seats are excellent - they look at least as good as the leather ones - auto air con is not all it's cracked up to be from what i've heard - the 16" wheels look better than the 17" anyway - you can get a decent stereo fitted later on when you have a bit more money - you can get electric blue with white bits - it is the best drive there is i had the same dilemma before buying my s but it was the best decision i've ever made. definitely worth upgrading... better check out the insurance first though. MCS EB/W + manAC + visibility pk

Jan 21st, 2003, 10:06 AM	#3 (permalink)
KenL MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2002 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 01:45 AM Posts: 5,102 Offline	Depends what you want from the car ??? If you want the best drive then get the S. If you love your gadgets and comforts and find your current Cooper fast enough then get the Cooper and save a few quid. Also consider the added ownership costs with the S of increased fuel and insurance costs. Personally I don't think I would spend so much on options for the Cooper (over £3k) and would probably pick the S from your two scenarios. Red/Black R56 Cooper

Jan 21st, 2003, 11:35 AM	#4 (permalink)
Humourl3ss Now With More Cowbell Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada City Local Time: 09:45 PM Posts: 1,695 Offline	Cooper S. Definitely go with the MCS. I would regret giving up that much torque and hp just to get some leather and 17" rims. Besides, the MCS you've listed is hardly a stripper. It'd be sufficient for my needs, certainly. -CW Global Moderator

Jan 21st, 2003, 11:52 AM	#6 (permalink)
KenL MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2002 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 01:45 AM Posts: 5,102 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by EB MINI I currently have afully laoded Cooper and have just ordered a fully loaded MCS (both excluding sun roof & sat nav). If you want an MCS for that little bit more money then I'd seriously consider gettin g full leather. I'd never go back to cloth. Don't be too bothered about the wheels and stereo though !! Seats are the main thing really. Cheers, EB MINI Leather seats are of course a matter of personal preference. I not too keen on them (full leather anyway) and certainly don't think they're worth the large extra outlay. Even if you like them it's something you can live without especially if you're on a budget. Red/Black R56 Cooper

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Jan 21st, 2003, 11:49 AM	#5 (permalink)
GTT 280 The Power Cube My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2002 Local Time: 01:45 AM Posts: 2,348 Offline	I currently have afully laoded Cooper and have just ordered a fully loaded MCS (both excluding sun roof & sat nav). If you want an MCS for that little bit more money then I'd seriously consider gettin g full leather. I'd never go back to cloth. Don't be too bothered about the wheels and stereo though !! Seats are the main thing really. Cheers, EB MINI

Jan 21st, 2003, 11:55 AM	#7 (permalink)
Hat ITS RAINNIN' SIDEWAYS My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2002 Local Time: 01:45 AM Posts: 15,920 Offline	the biggest consideration should be can you afford the higher insurance & fuel consumption of the 'S' over the Cooper?

Jan 21st, 2003, 12:55 PM	#8 (permalink)
flipper MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2002 Location: South West Local Time: 02:45 AM Posts: 293 Offline	Go for the Cooper and put the difference towards a cherished number which you can transfer to your new high spec MCS next time around

Jan 21st, 2003, 12:59 PM	#9 (permalink)
Wobert Mr 120d Sport Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Chester, UK Local Time: 01:45 AM Posts: 4,539 Offline	Remember the options will depriciate at a greater rate than the base car....my dealer suggested not adding options amounting to more than 20% of the base car. I was in this exact dilemma.....went for the "S" as it will hold it's value better over the long term....plus you gain the benefits of having a higher performance car....

Jan 21st, 2003, 03:25 PM	#10 (permalink)
RYN MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Aberdeen Local Time: 02:45 AM Posts: 59 Offline	i had this dilema, but you have to ask at what price you want to stop. I would have loved the 's' but could not realistically afford to run it for another few years, therefore opted for a higher speced cooper with some of the s feature i like, like the dash board. End of the day its up to you, but insuance and fuel will be more expensive. RYN

Jan 21st, 2003, 03:35 PM	#11 (permalink)
Lemmiwinks MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2003 Local Time: 01:45 AM Posts: 59 Offline	You can always add the luxury bits later should you wish, Get the S, it is the foundation on which you could build up all the options later. After all, you dont but a house for the curtains. As stated before the running cost will be higher, so figure the insurance/gas premiums before you make up you mind. Cooper = CooperS =

Jan 21st, 2003, 03:51 PM	#12 (permalink)
Kinster BarWeetGarNarWeetNinnyBon Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Location: Location Local Time: 02:45 AM Posts: 2,633 Offline	How much more petrol/gas does the S consume compared to the Cooper? Hyper Blue/Blue MCSC with Chilli 'No man will make a great leader who wants to do it all himself' A. Carnegie

Jan 21st, 2003, 04:08 PM	#13 (permalink)
mfc MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pennsylvania Local Time: 09:45 PM Posts: 85 Offline	I am a Motoring Advisor and I bought an S. I love it, but there is honestly nothing I do in my S that could not be done in a cooper. I'm a big fan of the Cooper, I think that had the S never been released people would still be saying that the cooper is one heck of a car. I do quite a bit of driving (I just passed 10K in less than 5 months) so for fuel consumption purposes I'd rather have the Cooper. JMHO! Either way, you're bound to have tons of fun... =Mark mfc = Mini Fast Car... Pearl Jam tune!

Jan 21st, 2003, 04:09 PM	#14 (permalink)
mfc MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pennsylvania Local Time: 09:45 PM Posts: 85 Offline	Cooper claimed consumption 28/37 Cooper S claimed consumption 24/33 mfc = Mini Fast Car... Pearl Jam tune!

Jan 21st, 2003, 04:18 PM	#15 (permalink)
IgorTheHunchback MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hertfordshire Local Time: 01:45 AM Posts: 280 Offline	Cooper not Cooper S. Igor thinks that Cooper is a LOT cheaper in price, insurance and petrol. Igor also thinks that people in Cooper S's think they are too good to wave or flash at other minis Igor thinks for the price of S you can get Cooper + More Accessories + body kit and other nice things Igor thinks you should NOT join the dark side and instead get Cooper The Bells The Bells

Jan 21st, 2003, 05:13 PM	#16 (permalink)
GTT 280 The Power Cube My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2002 Local Time: 01:45 AM Posts: 2,348 Offline	I intend to flash at all MINI drivers when I get my MCS. No need for any rude comments here. I think Igor needs to learn how to speak proper english EB MINI

Jan 21st, 2003, 06:50 PM	#17 (permalink)
robby MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: coventry Local Time: 01:45 AM Posts: 33 Offline	To be honest, I would love to have an 'S' but I know that I would be tempted to use the performance and I would end up getting points and a ban! The Cooper gets to 70mph in no time at all and is entertaining enough for me to enjoy it most of the time without feeling short changed on performance. As the Cooper needs to be 'worked' to give its best, you can have alot of fun at legal speeds.

Jan 21st, 2003, 07:42 PM	#18 (permalink)
Tony Craggs MINI2 Regular Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Hull Local Time: 01:45 AM Posts: 103 Offline	My Cooper is my everyday transport which going to work means a lot of slow town driving for which there would be no benefit to an MCS. I find my well specced Cooper fast enough and enough fun for my needs. The extra insurance and fuel cossts can be a decisive factor unless money is no object. TonyC

Jan 21st, 2003, 08:12 PM	#19 (permalink)
GTT 280 The Power Cube My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2002 Local Time: 01:45 AM Posts: 2,348 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Tony Craggs My Cooper is my everyday transport which going to work means a lot of slow town driving for which there would be no benefit to an MCS. I find my well specced Cooper fast enough and enough fun for my needs. The extra insurance and fuel cossts can be a decisive factor unless money is no object. How can money be an object if we're all going to die from chemical poisoning and nuclear attacks ???? Morbid I know, but tell that to the leaders of the nations... Cheers, EB MINI

Jan 21st, 2003, 08:17 PM	#20 (permalink)
Kinster BarWeetGarNarWeetNinnyBon Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Location: Location Local Time: 02:45 AM Posts: 2,633 Offline	If money was no object I'll be driving a Ferrari now. My insurance premium will be an extra £240 a year for the S. MINI Cooper S (includes ASC+T + Alarm) Manual Air Con - May need to get rid of this now 16" V-Spokes CD Boost Cloth Seats Fog lights TLC £15765 £15165 Hyper Blue/Blue MCSC with Chilli 'No man will make a great leader who wants to do it all himself' A. Carnegie

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