Ignition key in position 2? - MINI Cooper Forum
Go Back   MINI Cooper Forum > All Models & Variants > General Discussion


General Discussion Use this forum to discuss MINI topics which are not related to other forums. Posts may be moved from here to alternative forums by the moderators without notice

Mini2.com is the premier Mini Cooper Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Reply
Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Where to get a spare key for R50/R52 in Sydney/OZ? simonjo Australia 12 Jan 3rd, 2014 07:01 AM
First generation clamshell key repair guide Valvashon First Generation Faults & Fixes 1 Apr 19th, 2013 02:01 AM
Replacement key justinhi General Discussion 1 Mar 5th, 2013 11:14 PM
Mini Cooper key not locking/unlocking remotely ahughes76 Maintenance & MINI Care 0 Feb 18th, 2013 08:22 PM
Replacement Remote Key conan7772 First Generation Faults & Fixes 7 Jan 13th, 2013 04:49 AM

 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Jan 24th, 2003, 04:14 PM
jonesl's Avatar
MINI2 Newbie
Offline
Send a message via AIM to jonesl
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Boston, MA
Posts: 20
Local Time: 01:34 AM
United States View jonesl's Silk Green & Body Color 1st Gen MINI Cooper Profile
Ignition key in position 2?

Is anyone else confused about this? If I'm reading the owner's manual for the MC correctly, to use the cruise control, on-board computer, vari-speed windshield wipers, etc., I have to pre-determine that I'll want to use them while the key is in position two -- BEFORE I start the engine. Is this correct?

Lisa
2002 MC Silk Green body and roof with sunroof. Premium package with CVT. Black leatherette interior.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Jan 24th, 2003, 04:29 PM
BillK's Avatar
MINI2 Senior
Offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Irvine, CA
Posts: 541
Local Time: 11:34 PM
United States
No. While driving you can activate those features just fine. I see what you mean though, the manual calls for "key possition 1" It should be "key possition 2" I mostly ignore ther key possition stuff since most of the controls work when they should intuitivly, so I hadn't noticed that.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	clip.jpg
Views:	300
Size:	5.7 KB
ID:	10806  

MC/VR/B/PP&SP/CVT/Xenon
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Jan 24th, 2003, 04:30 PM
GAJ's Avatar
GAJ
MINI2 Regular
Offline
Send a message via AIM to GAJ
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Edinburgh
Posts: 261
Local Time: 06:34 AM
Scotland
Black Cooper

Mmmm - no!

What makes you think that, I don't remember thinking that when I read my manual.

Black Cooper, White Roof, White 5 Stars, Chrome Shark Gill Side Vents, Red & Black Cloth/Leather and Silver, Chili Pack, Single Slot C.D. Player, Factory Alarm, Automatic A/C, SS+, a wee black and white cow hanging from the passengers sun-visor and t
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Jan 24th, 2003, 05:17 PM
MiniMan7's Avatar
Let's Motor.
Offline
Send a message via MSN to MiniMan7
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
Posts: 2,889
Local Time: 03:34 AM
Canada View MiniMan7's Electric Blue & White 1st Gen MINI Cooper S Profile
No that doesn't sound right.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Jan 24th, 2003, 06:31 PM
cooper4us's Avatar
MINI2 Master
Offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Florida
Posts: 1,423
Local Time: 01:34 AM
United States View cooper4us's Pepper White & Black 1st Gen MINI Cooper Profile
Arrow Re: Ignition key in position 2?

Quote:
Originally posted by jonesl
Is anyone else confused about this? If I'm reading the owner's manual for the MC correctly, to use the cruise control, on-board computer, vari-speed windshield wipers, etc., I have to pre-determine that I'll want to use them while the key is in position two -- BEFORE I start the engine. Is this correct?

What the manual is telling you, is that all these feautures become active in the car when turning the ignition to the "ACC" position but it doesn't mean that you have to have the key in position #2 to be able to use them permanently. I think you got confused, which is OK. The wording of the MINI US manual sounds like a direct translation from German so it is bound to cause misinterpretation of the text.

If you want to listen to the radio or lower the windows while the car's engine is shut off, you have to put the key in and turn it to the #2 position...that's all.

'02 MINI Cooper CVT
On Order: 2004 MCS (Est production date: 9/5/03)
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Jan 24th, 2003, 06:54 PM
jonesl's Avatar
MINI2 Newbie
Offline
Send a message via AIM to jonesl
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Boston, MA
Posts: 20
Local Time: 01:34 AM
United States View jonesl's Silk Green & Body Color 1st Gen MINI Cooper Profile
Thanks!

Thanks everyone -- I guess what I'm learning is to take the owners manual with a major grain of salt!

Lisa
2002 MC Silk Green body and roof with sunroof. Premium package with CVT. Black leatherette interior.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Jan 24th, 2003, 07:48 PM
GordonD's Avatar
MINI2 Master
Offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Mississauga, Ont, Ca
Posts: 779
Local Time: 02:34 AM
Scotland View GordonD's Dark Silver & White 1st Gen MINI Cooper S Profile
Re: Thanks!

Quote:
Originally posted by jonesl
Thanks everyone -- I guess what I'm learning is to take the owners manual with a major grain of salt!

Actually it's amajor pinch of sauerkraut

aka KWKSLVR
Member:
Southern Ontario MINI Club
BMW Club of Canada - Trillium Chapter
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Jan 25th, 2003, 12:54 AM
BruceK's Avatar
Moderator & Sponsor
Offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 3,758
Local Time: 12:34 AM
United States
Re: Re: Ignition key in position 2?

Quote:
Originally posted by cooper4us
..If you want to listen to the radio or lower the windows while the car's engine is shut off, you have to put the key in and turn it to the #2 position...that's all.

No and sort of.

NO:
Listening to the radio requires no key. Just turn the radio on anytime without the key and you get about 20 minutes of listening before it shuts off automatically. Then turn it on again and get 20 more minutes. And so on.

SORT OF:
As for the windows, there is a special grace period when you can open or close the windows after shutting off the car and removing the key (I forget the exact amount of time, but its something like 30 seconds or so) BUT before opening the doors to get out. Useful if you are absent minded and see you've turned off your car with the windows down.

However, once past the grace period or if a door has been opened during the grace period, you need the key to close the windows.


(I had weeks and weeks to read the Owner's Manual before my car arrive! And I read it! There's good stuff in there too.)

+ 2002 MINI Cooper S - Dark Silver / White roof, Sport, Premium, Lapis blue leather
+ 1965 Mini Traveller - Tartan Red / White roof, 1275, Cooper S discs, fully restored/renewed
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Jan 25th, 2003, 01:01 AM
chiph's Avatar
Spectator
Offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 1,563
Local Time: 02:34 AM
United States View chiph's Electric Blue & White 1st Gen MINI Cooper S Profile
Actually, I find the whole key position numbering thing confusing. I'm much more comfortable with Off, Accessory, Run, and Start.

Chip H.

ex-MINI Cooper S owner and all around good-guy
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Jan 25th, 2003, 01:03 AM
cooper4us's Avatar
MINI2 Master
Offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Florida
Posts: 1,423
Local Time: 01:34 AM
United States View cooper4us's Pepper White & Black 1st Gen MINI Cooper Profile
Re: Re: Re: Ignition key in position 2?

Quote:
Originally posted by BruceK
No and sort of.

NO:
Listening to the radio requires no key. Just turn the radio on anytime without the key and you get about 20 minutes of listening before it shuts off automatically. Then turn it on again and get 20 more minutes. And so on.

SORT OF:
As for the windows, there is a special grace period when you can open or close the windows after shutting off the car and removing the key (I forget the exact amount of time, but its something like 30 seconds or so) BUT before opening the doors to get out. Useful if you are absent minded and see you've turned off your car with the windows down.

However, once past the grace period or if a door has been opened during the grace period, you need the key to close the windows.


(I had weeks and weeks to read the Owner's Manual before my car arrive! And I read it! There's good stuff in there too.)


Hi Bruce:

I know about the feature you are talking about (Reserve accessory power feature) but I don't have it in my August 2002 build Cooper CVT.

Where is this referenced in the manual? I have read the manual from cover to cover and haven't seen any reference to reserve power after taking out the key from the ignition. I have tried enabling it to no avail.

My 2001 Chevy Impala LS has a 10 minute reserve power time-out feature and love it but miss it in the Cooper.

Is this an undocumented MCS only feature? Am I doing something wrong?

'02 MINI Cooper CVT
On Order: 2004 MCS (Est production date: 9/5/03)
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old Jan 25th, 2003, 01:46 AM
BruceK's Avatar
Moderator & Sponsor
Offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 3,758
Local Time: 12:34 AM
United States
Re: Re: Re: Re: Ignition key in position 2?

Quote:
Originally posted by cooper4us
Hi Bruce:

I know about the feature you are talking about (Reserve accessory power feature) but I don't have it in my August 2002 build Cooper CVT.

Where is this referenced in the manual? I have read the manual from cover to cover and haven't seen any reference to reserve power after taking out the key from the ignition. I have tried enabling it to no avail.

My 2001 Chevy Impala LS has a 10 minute reserve power time-out feature and love it but miss it in the Cooper.

Is this an undocumented MCS only feature? Am I doing something wrong?

It can't be a Cooper S only feature as all MINIs use the same BC1 computer.

In the 3rd column on page 28 of my Owner's Manual discussing the Power Windows:
  • ...After the ignition has been switched off, you can use the electric power windows as long as no one opens any of the doors. If a door is opened during operation, the opening/closing process stops immediately.

No mention of the time limit for this feature. This is the stock 2002 MINI Cooper/Cooper S Owner's Manual (which of course includes the CVT Cooper)

As for the radio, the info is in the separate radio Owner's Manual. On page 10 it states:

  • ...The audio sources can still be accessed for up to 20 minutes after the ignition key has been shut off.
Technically, this seems to be worded wrong. (It must have been translated incorrectly from German to English or I am reading incorrectly) The truth is that at any time, even after the car has been parked for days and days, you can turn the radio on with no key and it will stay on for about 20 minutes. It has nothing to do with a short 20 minute golden opportunity occurring immediately after the key has been removed.

BTW, you all have read the radio Owner's Manual and have set the speed dependent volume feature, right? It's well worth it.

+ 2002 MINI Cooper S - Dark Silver / White roof, Sport, Premium, Lapis blue leather
+ 1965 Mini Traveller - Tartan Red / White roof, 1275, Cooper S discs, fully restored/renewed
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old Jan 25th, 2003, 07:28 AM
MINI2 Senior
Offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Sunnyvale, Ca.
Posts: 558
Local Time: 10:34 PM
United States View retroom's Liquid Yellow & White 1st Gen MINI Cooper Profile
Quote:
Originally posted by chiph
Actually, I find the whole key position numbering thing confusing. I'm much more comfortable with Off, Accessory, Run, and Start.

Chip H.


Try to equate the numbers this way:
0=OFF
1=Accessory
2=Run
3=Start

Not hard at all when you think of the numbers this way.

retroom

2003 MC,LY/W, sport package, wht wheels, cruise, chrome, Kaleido cloth/black, OB computer
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Where to get a spare key for R50/R52 in Sydney/OZ? simonjo Australia 12 Jan 3rd, 2014 07:01 AM
First generation clamshell key repair guide Valvashon First Generation Faults & Fixes 1 Apr 19th, 2013 02:01 AM
Replacement key justinhi General Discussion 1 Mar 5th, 2013 11:14 PM
Mini Cooper key not locking/unlocking remotely ahughes76 Maintenance & MINI Care 0 Feb 18th, 2013 08:22 PM
Replacement Remote Key conan7772 First Generation Faults & Fixes 7 Jan 13th, 2013 04:49 AM

» Recent Threads
engine will not start properly
Aug 12th, 2014 03:37 PM
by genik
Last post by genik
Today 06:13 AM
5 Replies, 882 Views
mini cooper 2007 won't start
Today 02:19 AM
by mc4400
Last post by mc4400
Today 02:19 AM
0 Replies, 80 Views
No power under 4000 rpm and hard start
Oct 29th, 2014 11:39 PM
Last post by scrappyloz
Today 01:41 AM
4 Replies, 709 Views
Cooper D DSC light and engine light
Yesterday 11:56 PM
by hyvrid
Last post by hyvrid
Yesterday 11:56 PM
0 Replies, 71 Views
Missing Functions
Yesterday 12:57 AM
Last post by SteveB00
Yesterday 11:08 PM
8 Replies, 266 Views
Aux function not showing up
Yesterday 10:57 PM
Last post by nahumbruhh
Yesterday 10:57 PM
0 Replies, 68 Views
Chrome trim for 51 plate Mini Cooper
Dec 13th, 2014 12:28 PM
Last post by jessybaby96
Yesterday 10:44 PM
4 Replies, 319 Views
Xenon lights problem
Dec 16th, 2014 07:49 PM
Last post by IloveMyMini1997
Yesterday 09:16 PM
4 Replies, 401 Views
How much do you pay in insurance?
Jul 24th, 2010 04:01 PM
Last post by anilox
Yesterday 07:38 PM
88 Replies, 34,778 Views
2008 mini cooper heating and fan problem
Yesterday 07:07 PM
Last post by gtsmyth23
Yesterday 07:07 PM
0 Replies, 92 Views
Key button Door Unlock
Yesterday 06:48 PM
Last post by ssoliman
Yesterday 06:48 PM
0 Replies, 83 Views
Airbag resistor value: 3.9 Ohms ? For sure ?
Nov 21st, 2003 09:18 PM
Last post by nixe66
Yesterday 06:30 PM
3 Replies, 1,882 Views
New MINI Cooper S Owners Roll Call.....
Nov 18th, 2006 10:20 PM
by Paul
Last post by RckStrGrl21
Dec 18th, 2014 09:59 PM
696 Replies, 171,242 Views
Does Increasing Horse Power On A Diesel 2.0 146Hp Dicrease Consumption?
Dec 16th, 2014 12:30 PM
by Bubu91
Last post by dirocyn
Dec 18th, 2014 09:43 PM
6 Replies, 390 Views
Distinct Thud under floor...
Dec 14th, 2014 07:33 AM
by stirlo
Last post by stirlo
Dec 18th, 2014 09:15 PM
3 Replies, 303 Views
Very Bad Rattle metal sound...
Dec 18th, 2014 12:50 PM
by stirlo
Last post by stirlo
Dec 18th, 2014 09:12 PM
2 Replies, 168 Views
Show me your R56 MCS and your old R53 MCS
Jul 20th, 2008 12:07 AM
by TDLC
Last post by LukaszKohut
Dec 18th, 2014 08:48 PM
18 Replies, 6,997 Views
Finding Final Stage (Hedgehog) Resistor
Jul 29th, 2014 09:48 PM
Last post by crackernibbles
Dec 18th, 2014 06:52 PM
18 Replies, 1,955 Views
This don't look right to me.
Dec 6th, 2014 03:04 AM
by Avro
Last post by Angib
Dec 18th, 2014 06:02 PM
10 Replies, 781 Views
» Premium
» Auto Insurance
Wheel & Tire Center

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.1

All times are GMT. The time now is 06:34 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.3.2