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kan2 · Mar 25th, 2003, 08:05 AM

I heard today that 2004 MINI was scheduling the face lift (minor change) from a dealer.
Do someone have the information about this?

Viscount Charles · Mar 26th, 2003, 05:56 PM

I know that the headlights are getting a redesign (and the work's gone to eastern Europe) - that's usually a dead giveaway that there's to be a facelift. Although it could just be cost-cutting.

Can't see why the car needs a facelift - looks pretty perfect to me.

KenL · Mar 26th, 2003, 05:59 PM

I say it's too soon for a facelift. The car still looks fresh and sales are still rising so no reason to change it.

northandy · Mar 26th, 2003, 08:46 PM

how could you make it better than it is ?...

MiniMan7 · Mar 26th, 2003, 08:56 PM

The car isn't old at all, why would it need a facelift?

KJ_daGreenMini · Mar 26th, 2003, 10:05 PM

its prolly a ploy to get more sales. People will want one of the original looking new minis and then there will be another group of people who want to distinguish themselves by buying a new new mini... i think in wierd and wonderful ways.

Martin L · Mar 26th, 2003, 11:10 PM

I'm all for a facelift

I just can't see how they can improve on the MINI, so any facelift will be to its detriment

I hope they do make it look worse so then we will all have the "original" MINIs which will be rarer and more desirable

cooper4us · Mar 26th, 2003, 11:35 PM

Facelift? the MINI was introduced in Europe in 2001 and the USA in early 2002, so I don't see one coming down the pipe anytime soon. I would expect some very minor comstic changes in the 2005 or 2006 model years before the MINI built on the MKII platform arrives.

The MINI is the type of car that is not governed by the car industry's customary 4 or 5 year full redesign cycles.

FONTAL · Mar 27th, 2003, 12:18 AM

If it ain't broke why fix it?

mikkol · Mar 27th, 2003, 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KJ_daGreenMini
its prolly a ploy to get more sales. People will want one of the original looking new minis and then there will be another group of people who want to distinguish themselves by buying a new new mini... i think in wierd and wonderful ways.

I think so too: purely Marketing dept's decision

If there's no difference then at the end of this year people would say why bother buy the new 2004 MINI instead of getting an old stock from 2003? Hope it's going to be a good change.

Mini M! · Mar 27th, 2003, 03:38 AM

i think KAN2 is referring to MINOR Facelift as he mentioned....

it's odd that there are people who feels that facelift is not needed because the MINI is so good... and the ones that wanted one so that the 2002 2003 models become more "original"...

let's face it, all cars undergo annual updates, whether it is mechanical specification or interior or exterior options and trims. Most of them are done to freshen up the car or to correct faults. cost savings as someone mentioned is a very valid motivation to change something. supplier issue is another concern. redesign to incorporate certain features (headlight redesign) is another.

BMW parent company does minor 'facelifts' every 2-3 years, mostly on the trims and headlights, rear lights, aerodynamics. Many of us can spot whether it is an older 5-er or older 3-er... even the E46 coupes are getting one for 2004... after the sedans got them a couple of years ago. I think this is common practice in the auto industry to freshen up their models periodically. nothing wrong at all for sales or for old and new owners.

great motivation for older model owners to turn in their leased or owned vehicle and trade up...

i would be concerned if a company sells something for the entire lifespan of the model range without minor revisions. even the 10+ year old NSX and previous SL gets updates ever now and then.

for brand new vehicles that are stylized more, such as the Beetle or TT, you do see the minor changes less frequent but needed. The 2004 TT looks the same in metal but all the bumper trims have become much more aggressive... it's what, 4 years old?

what KAN2 is referring to ("MINOR CHANGE") is probably more towards, eh, a minor update as he mentioned. I have to guess there will be very little change of *sheet metal* changes. at most it will be bumper and trims changes.

minor changes are definitely welcome... if you own an 2002 MINI your cost to install a factory alarm will be a couple hundred more than an 2003, with the need to replace the D pillar trim. some updates are good.

lighten up guys, i think minor updates are necessary, inevitable, and should be welcomed.

R1 · Mar 27th, 2003, 03:41 AM

I think the "S" could do with a face lift!!

Paul · Mar 27th, 2003, 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by R1
I think the "S" could do with a face lift!!

To stop you desiring one so much?

R1 · Mar 27th, 2003, 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Paul Mullett
To stop you desiring one so much?

Mugami · Mar 27th, 2003, 10:23 AM

just a thought might be nothing.. but if i remember there was mention of a different motor to be used in the mini. if so could it be possible that the "facelift" is to allow for the different motor. again its just a thought not based on anything solid.

PigLick · Mar 27th, 2003, 02:15 PM

The new engine is still in development, it won't be out for several more years.

PigLick

kan2 · Mar 27th, 2003, 02:29 PM

Thank you for your information.
I only wanted to know what change of small shape is made.
There is no interest about the right or wrong of change.

Paul · Mar 27th, 2003, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mugami
just a thought might be nothing.. but if i remember there was mention of a different motor to be used in the mini. if so could it be possible that the "facelift" is to allow for the different motor. again its just a thought not based on anything solid.

http://www.mini2.com/news/news.php?id=130

Mar 25th, 2003, 08:05 AM	#1
kan2 MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: sapporo Local Time: 10:54 AM Posts: 17 Offline	Face lift? 2004 I heard today that 2004 MINI was scheduling the face lift (minor change) from a dealer. Do someone have the information about this?

Mar 26th, 2003, 05:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
Viscount Charles MINI2 Senior Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: uk Local Time: 01:54 AM Posts: 448 Offline	I know that the headlights are getting a redesign (and the work's gone to eastern Europe) - that's usually a dead giveaway that there's to be a facelift. Although it could just be cost-cutting. Can't see why the car needs a facelift - looks pretty perfect to me. Ordered my "S" August '01. Arrived July '02. EB with white roof, wheels and stripes, Chili pack, DSC and climate control. Hate those 17" runflats though. Can now be seen all over the West Midlands, as a blue blur passing everything at speed

Mar 26th, 2003, 05:59 PM	#3 (permalink)
KenL MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2002 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 01:54 AM Posts: 5,102 Offline	I say it's too soon for a facelift. The car still looks fresh and sales are still rising so no reason to change it. Red/Black R56 Cooper

Mar 26th, 2003, 08:56 PM	#5 (permalink)
MiniMan7 Let's Motor. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hamilton, Ontario Local Time: 10:54 PM Posts: 2,891 Offline	The car isn't old at all, why would it need a facelift? http://www.mini2.com/gallery/personal/16791/32165.jpg

Mar 26th, 2003, 11:10 PM	#7 (permalink)
Martin L MINI defector Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Harefield Local Time: 01:54 AM Posts: 13,666 Offline	I'm all for a facelift I just can't see how they can improve on the MINI, so any facelift will be to its detriment I hope they do make it look worse so then we will all have the "original" MINIs which will be rarer and more desirable MINI, RX8 and MX5 - Done those............. It's now TTime Unofficial MINI2.com bean counter

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Mar 26th, 2003, 08:46 PM	#4 (permalink)
northandy AWOL My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2003 Local Time: 01:54 AM Posts: 14,328 Offline	how could you make it better than it is ?...

Mar 26th, 2003, 10:05 PM	#6 (permalink)
KJ_daGreenMini what happened to that boy Join Date: Feb 2003 Local Time: 02:54 AM Posts: 1,625 Offline	its prolly a ploy to get more sales. People will want one of the original looking new minis and then there will be another group of people who want to distinguish themselves by buying a new new mini... i think in wierd and wonderful ways.

Mar 26th, 2003, 11:35 PM	#8 (permalink)
cooper4us MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Local Time: 08:54 PM Posts: 1,423 Offline	Facelift? the MINI was introduced in Europe in 2001 and the USA in early 2002, so I don't see one coming down the pipe anytime soon. I would expect some very minor comstic changes in the 2005 or 2006 model years before the MINI built on the MKII platform arrives. The MINI is the type of car that is not governed by the car industry's customary 4 or 5 year full redesign cycles. '02 MINI Cooper CVT On Order: 2004 MCS (Est production date: 9/5/03)

Mar 27th, 2003, 12:18 AM	#9 (permalink)
FONTAL MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Shetland Local Time: 02:54 AM Posts: 486 Offline	If it ain't broke why fix it? SOLD

Mar 27th, 2003, 12:56 AM	#10 (permalink)
mikkol MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC Local Time: 06:54 PM Posts: 202 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by KJ_daGreenMini its prolly a ploy to get more sales. People will want one of the original looking new minis and then there will be another group of people who want to distinguish themselves by buying a new new mini... i think in wierd and wonderful ways. I think so too: purely Marketing dept's decision If there's no difference then at the end of this year people would say why bother buy the new 2004 MINI instead of getting an old stock from 2003? Hope it's going to be a good change.

Mar 27th, 2003, 03:38 AM	#11 (permalink)
Mini M! MINI2 Regular Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada Local Time: 05:54 PM Posts: 152 Offline	i think KAN2 is referring to MINOR Facelift as he mentioned.... it's odd that there are people who feels that facelift is not needed because the MINI is so good... and the ones that wanted one so that the 2002 2003 models become more "original"... let's face it, all cars undergo annual updates, whether it is mechanical specification or interior or exterior options and trims. Most of them are done to freshen up the car or to correct faults. cost savings as someone mentioned is a very valid motivation to change something. supplier issue is another concern. redesign to incorporate certain features (headlight redesign) is another. BMW parent company does minor 'facelifts' every 2-3 years, mostly on the trims and headlights, rear lights, aerodynamics. Many of us can spot whether it is an older 5-er or older 3-er... even the E46 coupes are getting one for 2004... after the sedans got them a couple of years ago. I think this is common practice in the auto industry to freshen up their models periodically. nothing wrong at all for sales or for old and new owners. great motivation for older model owners to turn in their leased or owned vehicle and trade up... i would be concerned if a company sells something for the entire lifespan of the model range without minor revisions. even the 10+ year old NSX and previous SL gets updates ever now and then. for brand new vehicles that are stylized more, such as the Beetle or TT, you do see the minor changes less frequent but needed. The 2004 TT looks the same in metal but all the bumper trims have become much more aggressive... it's what, 4 years old? what KAN2 is referring to ("MINOR CHANGE") is probably more towards, eh, a minor update as he mentioned. I have to guess there will be very little change of sheet metal changes. at most it will be bumper and trims changes. minor changes are definitely welcome... if you own an 2002 MINI your cost to install a factory alarm will be a couple hundred more than an 2003, with the need to replace the D pillar trim. some updates are good. lighten up guys, i think minor updates are necessary, inevitable, and should be welcomed.

Mar 27th, 2003, 03:41 AM	#12 (permalink)
R1 Addicted to Speed!! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..."B" roads!! Local Time: 01:54 AM Posts: 4,866 Offline	I think the "S" could do with a face lift!!

Mar 27th, 2003, 03:45 AM	#13 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 01:54 AM Posts: 40,356 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by R1 I think the "S" could do with a face lift!! To stop you desiring one so much? Our trials and tribulations living in a "bleeding edge" eco house... Oxley Woods Living

Mar 27th, 2003, 04:17 AM	#14 (permalink)
R1 Addicted to Speed!! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..."B" roads!! Local Time: 01:54 AM Posts: 4,866 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Paul Mullett To stop you desiring one so much? Attached Images

Mar 27th, 2003, 10:23 AM	#15 (permalink)
Mugami MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2002 Local Time: 09:54 PM Posts: 1,215 Offline	just a thought might be nothing.. but if i remember there was mention of a different motor to be used in the mini. if so could it be possible that the "facelift" is to allow for the different motor. again its just a thought not based on anything solid. 02 MCS DS/W (Totaled November 02 on Fall Folage Run) 03 MCS DS/W (See my MINI Profie for extensive list of mods)

Mar 27th, 2003, 02:15 PM	#16 (permalink)
PigLick MINI2 Senior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: us Local Time: 05:54 PM Posts: 512 Offline	The new engine is still in development, it won't be out for several more years. PigLick

Mar 27th, 2003, 02:29 PM	#17 (permalink)
kan2 MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: sapporo Local Time: 10:54 AM Posts: 17 Offline	Thank you for your information. I only wanted to know what change of small shape is made. There is no interest about the right or wrong of change.

Mar 27th, 2003, 06:18 PM	#18 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 01:54 AM Posts: 40,356 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Mugami just a thought might be nothing.. but if i remember there was mention of a different motor to be used in the mini. if so could it be possible that the "facelift" is to allow for the different motor. again its just a thought not based on anything solid. http://www.mini2.com/news/news.php?id=130 Our trials and tribulations living in a "bleeding edge" eco house... Oxley Woods Living

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