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Apr 4th, 2003, 12:31 AM

Ok, if we do find his e-mail address, we should put all of our complaints together and make a well organized argument out of them.

-Andrew

cooper4us · Apr 4th, 2003, 12:33 AM

Anyone living in Montreal can confirm if Heraud has a radio show?

Bonjour · Apr 4th, 2003, 12:41 AM

Why don't we just get together an old skool lynch mob, complete with pitch forks and torches.

sjbartnik · Apr 4th, 2003, 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bonjour
Why don't we just get together an old skool lynch mob, complete with pitch forks and torches.

A rrrrrrrrriot iss an ukly tink. Und it's about time vee had von!

</obscure?>

MGB Boy · Apr 4th, 2003, 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sjbartnik
A rrrrrrrrriot iss an ukly tink. Und it's about time vee had von!

</obscure?>

To zee lumberyard!

-Ricardo (following in his father's vootshhteps)

MINIMatthew · Apr 4th, 2003, 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bonjour
Why don't we just get together an old skool lynch mob, complete with pitch forks and torches.

Yipee! I'll bring reinforcements!

Bonjour · Apr 4th, 2003, 01:53 AM

That's a mighty fine pair of daschunds you've got there Mr. M!

Bullett · Apr 4th, 2003, 02:10 AM

Argh, that is one of the worst reviews I have ever read, and not becase he slags off my car.
Inaccurate and plainly made up in alot of places, it was more akin to a review of a washing machine than a car. I noticed the % score of performance was explained at the bottom eg faster than 5s = 100% slower than 16s = 0%
He clearly has no idea that a car is a subjective experience you cannot make a car choice on a purely scientific basis, especially one like a MINI.
I guess he is one of those people who thinks a car is just something to go from a to b.

cooper4us · Apr 4th, 2003, 03:04 AM

Heraud complaints that the MINI does not look, feel and behave like a mundane Honda Accord.

I wonder how many leafs a day this guy smokes.

HarryHBMCC · Apr 4th, 2003, 03:13 AM

If you read a bunch of his reviews you'll see that he rates almost all cars to be almost exactly the same in final percentage. There are a few cars that he likes but almost all get between 60 and 70 percent. Toyota ECHO 69%, Saab 9-5 68%, Acura RSX 69%, Toyota Camry 71%, Subaru Impreza 70%, Chevrolet Corvette 65%, PT Cruiser 72%, Audi TT 68%, BMW 3-series 68%, etc. Yay, the MINI Cooper beats the Corvette, who would'a thunk it? He compares Corvettes and Camrys using the same standard which doesn't make any sense; one is a sports car, the other is a mid-sized sedan so you can't compare trunk sizes and 0-60 performance of the two.

And if you read the pros and cons of a few you'll see that he is a broken record. Pros: power of highest engine available, gas mileage of lowest engine available, handling of sport suspension. Cons: power of lowest engine available, harsh ride of sports suspension. No low engine has enough power for him, not one. Same with many automatics vs. sticks. He doesn't seem to understand trade-offs either like power vs. mileage and handling vs. ride comfort.

He says the base Cooper has perfectible brakes but the S has brakes which are fine? They're the same!

Harry

jasonve · Apr 4th, 2003, 04:12 AM

Could this be our guy....

Daniel Heraud

St-bruno, PQ, CA

if so you can get his e-mail addy on yahoo people.... funny its a compuserve addy.... prob the wrong guy../

BTW someone mentioned the Aztec POS and the tool gave that one a 70% score...

Dark Silver S · Apr 4th, 2003, 05:19 AM

The review, drafted by a second-rate hack who clearly has never laid eyes let alone hands on the car, was not worth reading. Poor research. D-

Shoulda known. MSN was the tip-off.

GadgetGav · Apr 4th, 2003, 07:17 AM

How are you all reading it..? Are you logging in to MSN just to read this..? That's what they want you know - drives up their ad revenue..!
Sounds to me like this guy writes his car reviews from the spec sheet, not from actaully driving..!

Cape Cod MINI · Apr 4th, 2003, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MINIMatthew
Yipee! I'll bring reinforcements!

Haha!

Great pic. Is one pooch named Scooby WRX and the other MINI Cooper S? That's about what it looks like when car owners start flaming each other!

Juanello · Apr 4th, 2003, 08:01 AM

It sure does seem like he does not have a grasp of the English language nor about cars...

Lumspeed · Apr 4th, 2003, 08:34 AM

That's not a pair of DASCHUND'S !!.

It's HERAUD and his Partner Discussing next week's car review !.

As we all know the MINI2 , whatever model you buy is the

DOG'S BOLL***'S. !!

Lumspeed.

Humourl3ss · Apr 4th, 2003, 09:07 AM

I'm still waiting for a pic of the the mean-spirited ferrets who act as his "fact checkers" [sic].

-CW

thepilo · Apr 4th, 2003, 09:23 AM

Hello Dan,

Thank you for writing to MSN Autos regarding your feedback about the 2003 Mini Cooper editorial review of Mr. Daniel Heraud. We do apologize for the inconvenience if the review did not meet your expectations and if it contains any incorrect information.

We appreciate the time you took to send us your thoughts about this matter and for bringing this to our attention. Your letter has been forwarded to MSN Autos' Product Specialist Team as well as to Mr. Heraud for proper attention. We carefully consider all of the feedback sent in by our customers as we maintain an internal database of ideas that we consult as we develop future releases to better serve your needs.

Again, thank you for your comments for they greatly help us in guiding our continuous efforts in improving our site.
For future reference, instructions and other helpful information about MSN Autos, go to Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) at:
http://autos.msn.com/help/FAQ.aspx
We hope you are enjoying MSN Autos and we do look forward in meeting all of your future service needs.
Thank you for using MSN Autos.

Sincerely,
Sheryl
MSN Autos Customer Support

--- Original Message ---
From:
To: carcomm@css.one.microsoft.com
Sent: Wed Apr 2 07:50:29 PST 2003
Subject: 2003 Mini Cooper Review

In regards to the review of the 2003 Mini Cooper S. Having read your
car review there, you have many facts that are totally incorrect, and is
showing a very poor job it the passing of real facts.

The Article (
http://autos.msn.com/vip/heraudover....=10641&src=vip
<http://autos.msn.com/vip/heraudover....=10641&src=vip> )
has incorrect performance figures and Incorrect Car Specifications.

The first most obvious error is the specifications of the Mini Cooper S.
The S has a 6 speed transmission, not a 5 speed as stated. This is
easily confirmable as the Mini USA website states this, and the shifter
in my 2003 happens to have 6 speeds as well. The second incorrect
figure is the 1/4 mile time is incorrectly stated by about 1 second.
this can easily be confirmed by looking at the mini web site, or by the
time slips that I have from the drag strip. If this is the time that
your "Automotive Editor" ran, then it is obvious he does not know enough
about cars to be considered an expert.

I hope that you realize your incorrectness, and update this article to
include real facts, not the Bias of MSN

Thanks
Dan

cooper4us · Apr 4th, 2003, 09:45 AM

There were way many more inaccuracies on that poorly done review. Anyway this is a great start, ThePilo. Now let's all get together and send MSN Autos a ton of E-mails to force them as well as and Mr. Heraud to correct the contents of this **** poor review made on the MINI.

Humourl3ss · Apr 4th, 2003, 10:45 AM

Daniel and a member of his staff engage in a bit of "spirited debate" over rear-seat room in a MINI....

-CW

Apr 4th, 2003, 12:33 AM	#42 (permalink)
cooper4us MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Local Time: 08:53 PM Posts: 1,423 Offline	Anyone living in Montreal can confirm if Heraud has a radio show? '02 MINI Cooper CVT On Order: 2004 MCS (Est production date: 9/5/03)

Apr 4th, 2003, 01:10 AM	#44 (permalink)
sjbartnik MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Local Time: 09:53 PM Posts: 628 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Bonjour Why don't we just get together an old skool lynch mob, complete with pitch forks and torches. A rrrrrrrrriot iss an ukly tink. Und it's about time vee had von! </obscure?> Sean Bartnik 2003 MINI Cooper S

Apr 4th, 2003, 01:43 AM	#45 (permalink)
MGB Boy heterochromic & loving it Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: at the rink Local Time: 08:53 PM Posts: 4,245 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by sjbartnik A rrrrrrrrriot iss an ukly tink. Und it's about time vee had von! </obscure?> To zee lumberyard! -Ricardo (following in his father's vootshhteps) 06 MCS-W/77 MGB/69 MGB-GT "2 minutes by yourself and...you feel shame, you know...and then you get free"

Apr 4th, 2003, 01:48 AM	#46 (permalink)
MINIMatthew Prince of Eternia Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ottawa, Ontario Local Time: 08:53 PM Posts: 154 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Bonjour Why don't we just get together an old skool lynch mob, complete with pitch forks and torches. Yipee! I'll bring reinforcements! Attached Thumbnails MINI Cooper Canadian Launch Edition (#338 of 500) Pure Silver/Black, Heated Sport Seats, 16" Five Spokes, Foglights, Chrome Bumper Inserts and More! Ottawa MINI Club

Apr 4th, 2003, 03:04 AM	#49 (permalink)
cooper4us MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Local Time: 08:53 PM Posts: 1,423 Offline	Heraud complaints that the MINI does not look, feel and behave like a mundane Honda Accord. I wonder how many leafs a day this guy smokes. '02 MINI Cooper CVT On Order: 2004 MCS (Est production date: 9/5/03)

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Apr 4th, 2003, 12:41 AM	#43 (permalink)
Bonjour der Hummermeister Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Stuck in a box Local Time: 02:53 AM Posts: 1,519 Offline	Why don't we just get together an old skool lynch mob, complete with pitch forks and torches.

Apr 4th, 2003, 01:53 AM	#47 (permalink)
Bonjour der Hummermeister Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Stuck in a box Local Time: 02:53 AM Posts: 1,519 Offline	That's a mighty fine pair of daschunds you've got there Mr. M!

Apr 4th, 2003, 02:10 AM	#48 (permalink)
Bullett MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2003 Local Time: 02:53 AM Posts: 212 Offline	Argh, that is one of the worst reviews I have ever read, and not becase he slags off my car. Inaccurate and plainly made up in alot of places, it was more akin to a review of a washing machine than a car. I noticed the % score of performance was explained at the bottom eg faster than 5s = 100% slower than 16s = 0% He clearly has no idea that a car is a subjective experience you cannot make a car choice on a purely scientific basis, especially one like a MINI. I guess he is one of those people who thinks a car is just something to go from a to b.

Apr 4th, 2003, 03:13 AM	#50 (permalink)
HarryHBMCC MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Guelph, Ontario, Can Local Time: 08:53 PM Posts: 2,655 Offline	If you read a bunch of his reviews you'll see that he rates almost all cars to be almost exactly the same in final percentage. There are a few cars that he likes but almost all get between 60 and 70 percent. Toyota ECHO 69%, Saab 9-5 68%, Acura RSX 69%, Toyota Camry 71%, Subaru Impreza 70%, Chevrolet Corvette 65%, PT Cruiser 72%, Audi TT 68%, BMW 3-series 68%, etc. Yay, the MINI Cooper beats the Corvette, who would'a thunk it? He compares Corvettes and Camrys using the same standard which doesn't make any sense; one is a sports car, the other is a mid-sized sedan so you can't compare trunk sizes and 0-60 performance of the two. And if you read the pros and cons of a few you'll see that he is a broken record. Pros: power of highest engine available, gas mileage of lowest engine available, handling of sport suspension. Cons: power of lowest engine available, harsh ride of sports suspension. No low engine has enough power for him, not one. Same with many automatics vs. sticks. He doesn't seem to understand trade-offs either like power vs. mileage and handling vs. ride comfort. He says the base Cooper has perfectible brakes but the S has brakes which are fine? They're the same! Harry MINI Cooper Cabrio: now the car with go cart handling really feels like an open go cart! "... the only man that can come home at 3 am in the morning without getting into trouble with his spouse is the owner of a British sports car!" -- Phil Bailey

Apr 4th, 2003, 04:12 AM	#51 (permalink)
jasonve MINI2 Regular Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Local Time: 08:53 PM Posts: 86 Offline	Could this be our guy.... Daniel Heraud St-bruno, PQ, CA if so you can get his e-mail addy on yahoo people.... funny its a compuserve addy.... prob the wrong guy../ BTW someone mentioned the Aztec POS and the tool gave that one a 70% score... Jason 03 Cooper JB/W '99 Saab 9-3 Se HOT going by by for MINI 1970 Datsun 510 project car

Apr 4th, 2003, 05:19 AM	#52 (permalink)
Dark Silver S Ultimate Stealth Machine Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Wilkes County NC Local Time: 07:53 PM Posts: 791 Offline	The review, drafted by a second-rate hack who clearly has never laid eyes let alone hands on the car, was not worth reading. Poor research. D- Shoulda known. MSN was the tip-off. Dark Silver S http://revorg.org/images/mmg.gif Now in Wilkes County NC

Apr 4th, 2003, 07:17 AM	#53 (permalink)
GadgetGav gadgetmeister Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: This Old House Local Time: 08:53 PM Posts: 6,125 Offline	How are you all reading it..? Are you logging in to MSN just to read this..? That's what they want you know - drives up their ad revenue..! Sounds to me like this guy writes his car reviews from the spec sheet, not from actaully driving..!

Apr 4th, 2003, 08:00 AM	#54 (permalink)
Cape Cod MINI Exposing the Beast Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cape Cod, MA Local Time: 09:53 PM Posts: 5,337 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by MINIMatthew Yipee! I'll bring reinforcements! Haha! Great pic. Is one pooch named Scooby WRX and the other MINI Cooper S? That's about what it looks like when car owners start flaming each other! Missing my buddies Dan and Ed but glad I have two angel buddies, And on a quest to Right Secco's Wrongs

Apr 4th, 2003, 08:01 AM	#55 (permalink)
Juanello MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Sacramento, CA Local Time: 06:53 PM Posts: 119 Offline	It sure does seem like he does not have a grasp of the English language nor about cars... MINI... Like all BMWs is also 'The Ultimate Driving Machine'...

Apr 4th, 2003, 08:34 AM	#56 (permalink)
Lumspeed MINI2 Regular Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Gateshead . North East England . UK . Local Time: 01:53 AM Posts: 176 Offline	Hearaud the Great That's not a pair of DASCHUND'S !!. It's HERAUD and his Partner Discussing next week's car review !. As we all know the MINI2 , whatever model you buy is the DOG'S BOLL***'S. !! Lumspeed. Lumspeed

Apr 4th, 2003, 09:07 AM	#57 (permalink)
Humourl3ss Now With More Cowbell Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada City Local Time: 09:53 PM Posts: 1,695 Offline	I'm still waiting for a pic of the the mean-spirited ferrets who act as his "fact checkers" [sic]. -CW Global Moderator

Apr 4th, 2003, 09:23 AM	#58 (permalink)
thepilo MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: NJ Local Time: 01:53 AM Posts: 285 Offline	Hello Dan, Thank you for writing to MSN Autos regarding your feedback about the 2003 Mini Cooper editorial review of Mr. Daniel Heraud. We do apologize for the inconvenience if the review did not meet your expectations and if it contains any incorrect information. We appreciate the time you took to send us your thoughts about this matter and for bringing this to our attention. Your letter has been forwarded to MSN Autos' Product Specialist Team as well as to Mr. Heraud for proper attention. We carefully consider all of the feedback sent in by our customers as we maintain an internal database of ideas that we consult as we develop future releases to better serve your needs. Again, thank you for your comments for they greatly help us in guiding our continuous efforts in improving our site. For future reference, instructions and other helpful information about MSN Autos, go to Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) at: http://autos.msn.com/help/FAQ.aspx We hope you are enjoying MSN Autos and we do look forward in meeting all of your future service needs. Thank you for using MSN Autos. Sincerely, Sheryl MSN Autos Customer Support --- Original Message --- From: To: carcomm@css.one.microsoft.com Sent: Wed Apr 2 07:50:29 PST 2003 Subject: 2003 Mini Cooper Review In regards to the review of the 2003 Mini Cooper S. Having read your car review there, you have many facts that are totally incorrect, and is showing a very poor job it the passing of real facts. The Article ( http://autos.msn.com/vip/heraudover....=10641&src=vip <http://autos.msn.com/vip/heraudover....=10641&src=vip> ) has incorrect performance figures and Incorrect Car Specifications. The first most obvious error is the specifications of the Mini Cooper S. The S has a 6 speed transmission, not a 5 speed as stated. This is easily confirmable as the Mini USA website states this, and the shifter in my 2003 happens to have 6 speeds as well. The second incorrect figure is the 1/4 mile time is incorrectly stated by about 1 second. this can easily be confirmed by looking at the mini web site, or by the time slips that I have from the drag strip. If this is the time that your "Automotive Editor" ran, then it is obvious he does not know enough about cars to be considered an expert. I hope that you realize your incorrectness, and update this article to include real facts, not the Bias of MSN Thanks Dan Pilo Racing www.piloracing.com Intakes, Ignitions, Heads, Superchargers and more... stop on in

Apr 4th, 2003, 09:45 AM	#59 (permalink)
cooper4us MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Local Time: 08:53 PM Posts: 1,423 Offline	There were way many more inaccuracies on that poorly done review. Anyway this is a great start, ThePilo. Now let's all get together and send MSN Autos a ton of E-mails to force them as well as and Mr. Heraud to correct the contents of this **** poor review made on the MINI. '02 MINI Cooper CVT On Order: 2004 MCS (Est production date: 9/5/03)

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Humourl3ss Now With More Cowbell Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada City Local Time: 09:53 PM Posts: 1,695 Offline	Daniel and a member of his staff engage in a bit of "spirited debate" over rear-seat room in a MINI.... -CW Attached Thumbnails Global Moderator

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