[Jimbo_Mini]

My MCS should be here soon, but I just read in the latest issue of Automobile that for 2006, BMW will start using a Peugeot engine.

I have to say that as much as love the MINI, I probably wouldn't have bought it with a French engine.

-Jim

[Paul]

Quote:

Originally posted by Jimbo_Mini
My MCS should be here soon, but I just read in the latest issue of Automobile that for 2006, BMW will start using a Peugeot engine.

I have to say that as much as love the MINI, I probably wouldn't have bought it with a French engine.

-Jim

Here's more information on the Pug/BMW engine.

From July last year in the MINI2 news:
http://www.mini2.com/news/news.php?id=130

From Peugeot more recently:
http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...303#post336303

[KenL]

Quote:

Originally posted by Jimbo_Mini
My MCS should be here soon, but I just read in the latest issue of Automobile that for 2006, BMW will start using a Peugeot engine.

I have to say that as much as love the MINI, I probably wouldn't have bought it with a French engine.

-Jim

Why not?

Do you not rate French engines? They have a pretty good reputation in Europe. They were the first people to produce a really good diesel engine and the Peugeot 205GTI was rated as the best hot hatch available here for many years.

[AidenL]

I agree, I really rate Peugeots diesel engine, having run various versions in vans at work over the past 15 years, unsurpassed in my opinion........

I hope this new engine for the MINI will be as high in quality and reliability, and indeed performance as those I have experience of from PSA......

[Prowse]

I agree - I probably wouldn't be too happy buying a Mini powered by a French Pug engine. Their diesels were good, but from my experience most of their engines (including the petrols) tend to be noisy/rattly... ...and of course, French!

[chughes163]

One thing though - dont you think its a bit late to plan what engine will be put in the mini? I mean, they should have sorted it before the car was produced IMO as the chrylser engine isnt brilliant - and lets face it, they must have known it. I think what sells the car is the character of it more than anything.

I reckon the engine will be good to put in it even though i dont like the french. Lets face it, they dominate the selection of small cars so they must know what their on about.

[Galvatron]

Ok, people isn't it a bit childish to make judgments about a whole group of people based on the political decisions of their leaders. Its funny how one man makes a decision and now a whole country hates everything about a whole other country. C'mon its time to grow up.

I sure don’t want to be judged solely on any decision that the president of this country (past, present or future) makes.

From what I have read this will be a better business move, since Peugeot has experience making small engines. It wouldn’t be a smart for BMW to design an engine that could only be used in the MINI. It wouldn’t be powerful enough to use in any of the current Beamer models. There are plans for a smaller 1 Series BMW to be released in the next few years, but using the MINI engine may hurt BMW’s image. I am sure that the engine that Peugeot makes for the MINI could easily be used in their cars as well. Actually, Peugeot already makes a 1.6L 110 hp engine that may fit right in the MINI.

Plus, I would rather have an engine that is part Peugeot than part Chrysler. Chrysler has put out quite a few lemons over the years. In fact, most of Chrysler’s engines in the current car line up (excluding trucks & SUVs) are Mitsubishi sourced.

Just my thoughts on the situation

[AidenL]

I honestly feel it is better to put the anti French sentiment being exhibited by a number of people on MINI2 at the moment on the back-burner.

I dont think these forums should be used as a platform to express a bias against any race, nationality, creed or religion, and I think this thread would serve its intended purpose better if we discussed the engines themselves, adn not their country of origin.

Can we get on with that please !?

[kshapiro]

Quote:

Originally posted by AidenL
I honestly feel it is better to put the anti French sentiment being exhibited by a number of people on MINI2 at the moment on the back-burner.

I dont think these forums should be used as a platform to express a bias against any race, nationality, creed or religion, and I think this thread would serve its intended purpose better if we discussed the engines themselves, adn not their country of origin.

Can we get on with that please !?

Good point! That being said, wouldn't a French engine in a German car be taken over by the car...subdued...and made to surrender in about twenty minutes?

8-)

[AidenL]

Quote:

Originally posted by kshapiro
Good point! That being said, wouldn't a French engine in a German car be taken over by the car...subdued...and made to surrender in about twenty minutes?

8-)

As I said, can we please move on..........

[AidenL]

Im giving this thread a chance to 'live', but I will take action if it doesnt get on topic, in a sensible way.

[Galvatron]

American arrogance at its finest.

[Jimbo_Mini]

When I started this thread I certainly didn't start it with the purpose to be anti-French. I'm just not enthused about the idea of a new French-built engine that's all.

I would prefer if MINI continued on with the same engine (for parts and consistency purposes) or designed their own BMW/MINI engine in-house.

[moorlockx]

Times change. Maybe the French components are better now than they used to be in the 70's and 80's when I was in the import parts business. I know I'll never find out first hand. Those past memories will never allow me to spend money on a car with a French motor in it. If the Peugeot motor does end up in the Mini, they will lose me as a future customer. I'll drive my Tritec until it falls apart and then go shopping for a new brand car. You can say what you want about Chryslers' poor quality transmissions and electrical systems, but they have always made a good motor.

[stormcrow]

The 2.0 litre in my wifes pug 206 GTi is the best part of the car.

I admit it does make some unusual noises but it's very eager and capable.

Shame the rest of the car isn't particularly good

[Paul]

You have to ask yourself, what REALLY sounds worse:

A BMW-Chysler designed engine built by a 'new' company in Brazil.
A BMW-PSA Designed engine built in France by an established company.

Personally, I think the new engine should be great.

And as for 'Isn't it a bit late to deside which engine to put in'... I don't think BMW were expecting Daimler to step in the loop.

[Tone]

My last car was a Peugeot 106 gti. The chassis was a best in class (when first introduced). I thought it went on rails. And, actually, in a recent Auto. mag. it knocked the spots off an S. The 17's on the S may have made a difference.

The 106 gti is yesterday's news now. But it was something else - a real performer.

So I have no probs with Peugeot/Citreon.

[LMB]

I saw the new Peugeot GTI 180BHP today

Very nice looking motor

For £14,999 you get:
180BHP 2.0 Litre Engine; 0 - 60 in 7.4 Secs
Lovely Sports seat; I sat in them and they're much more comfortable than the Minis.
Digital Climate Control
CD Auto
17" Alloys

I liked it alot.

...I like Peugeots, I think when it comes to small hatch backs, hot hatches in particular, they know what they're doing.

I think the current engine in the Mini is pants, for me it's the weakest link. I for one think getting Peugeot to build the engines for the future Mini's is a step in the right direction.

[Dark Silver S]

Isn't it amusing that the people who brought you Lucas are complaining about a frog engine?

And I mean that only in the most humorous fashion of course.

[Jimbo_Mini]

Quote:

You have to ask yourself, what REALLY sounds worse:

A BMW-Chysler designed engine built by a 'new' company in Brazil.
A BMW-PSA Designed engine built in France by an established company.

Paul,

But that's not the situation.

It's between using and improving on an existing design or switching over to another design simply because BMW doesn't want to deal with DC.

I'm afraid that those of us with the early engines will be left out in the cold when it comes to ongoing improvements, parts availability, etc.

I don't think the engine has been a weak link for the MINI. I've read a lot on the various problems and it seems that there's a general quality problem across the board.