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snid · Jun 5th, 2003, 07:21 AM

First off, I'm fine. Not a scratch, bump, or bruise. The moose, well, I'm not sure if it was all me or if the two other cars that ran it over after I hit it (but before the police arrived), but the moose didn't make it.

I was travelling down the highway here in Vermont at ~70mph, 11:30 or so at night. It's strange, but even though I can't say that I ever saw the moose, I immediately knew that a moose was what I had hit. It was almost entirely in the left lane, I was driving down the right. I caught the back legs, something (the butt?) got my windshield, something took off my driver's side mirror and put a dent in the driver's door. The moose wound up spun around 180 degrees - the cops thought I had hit its head (which I hadn't).

No airbags went off.

Now, the insurance fun begins. I've got an adjuster coming tomorrow morning. I hope it's not as bad a sign as I think when they call to tell me "I'm coming tomorrow to look at your Cooper van." "A MINI Cooper? what's that". "Is it one of those little station wagons?" ugh.

More pictures available here

The odd looking extra silver thing on the passenger's side of the bumper is the tow hook. The police wouldn't let me drive the MINI away because of the windshield damage and the fact that it was night.

GadgetGav · Jun 5th, 2003, 07:58 AM

Glad you're OK Jason. You must have been really lucky not to get glass in your eyes - do you wear glasses to drive..?
Looks like the hood, wing and A pillar damage may have affected the whole alignment of the front wheel. Can you at least get a new screen fitted - would it go in..?
Hope the insurance company come through for you...

paulmon · Jun 5th, 2003, 08:00 AM

Wow. I hope you realize how lucky you were. My wife and her uncle hit a moose back in '97 while driving to New Brunswick from Quebec. It was a "small female moose" weighing around 750lbs! They hit it head on doing around 110kph. Here's some picture of what once was my '96 Honda Accord coupe, needless to say it wasn't a convertible until the moose had his way with the car. My wife was in intensive care for 5 days, hospital for 3 weeks and didn't work for several months, she's fine now. Heck, she didn't even know who I was at first. Her uncle was luckier, he spent a night in hospital and then was released.

I'm so happy to hear that you didn't get hurt after what my wife went through.

Cheers,

Paul

snid · Jun 5th, 2003, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by obehave

Also hope that A pillar isn't damaged.

That's one of my fears too... The black outer covering seems to be pretty plastic-y, and is shattered. There's some close to body color metal underneath. If that's bent, I bet that means things get much more expensive.

MudBud · Jun 5th, 2003, 08:38 AM

Well glad you are OK. I have seen other Moose strikes, was it on Rt 89? I am heading that way in a couple of weeks to go to Plattsburg.

If it had been a MCS you might have zipped right by it without touching it.

Did the side of the moose have a bumper sticker "Smile as you go Under"?

Good luck with the insurance company and let us know what they say.

xplode · Jun 5th, 2003, 08:48 AM

hey snid, so glad you're ok. back in sweden, i saw a lot of moose-related accidents and they rarely have as happy endings for either driver or car. moose are particularly bad because they're heavy but their weight is carried far up on long thin legs - when you hit them they tend to go through your windshield and land in your lap.

consider yourself very lucky and here's hoping your car only had superficial damage!

MGB Boy · Jun 5th, 2003, 09:15 AM

Well, I guess you'll be first in line for one of those "Brake for Moose: It Could Save Your Life" bumper stickers you see around here.

It doesn't look quite as bad as I thought it might, actually. Lots of dents, but not as "mashed" as some post-moose cars I've seen. Front bumper, hood, windscreen, a-pillar cover, mirror, and maybe door skin (if they can't tap out that dent). It looks like the shattering of the windscreen is what pushed off the inside a-pillar cover, as opposed to any warping of the pillar itself, the pillar (at least from what we can see in the pics) still looks straight. Hopefully it is. That's the key, because if you've ever watched the "how we make them" time lapse video on the MINI website, you'll see that the a-pillar is part of one of the basic building blocks of the car, one of the first basic half dozen or so pieces that the robots weld together before humans ever touch the car. The a-pillar is part of one big piece that includes the entire door frame, the edge of the roofline from front to back and the whole rear window frame. I don't think it's a part they can replace (the pics below show the part in question). Odds are, if the a-pillar is shot, so is the car...

-Ricardo

BruceK · Jun 5th, 2003, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by snid
First off, I'm fine. Not a scratch, bump, or bruise. ....

Wow! Sorry to hear of your accident but very encouraged to learn that you are well. As much as we like them, its at times like this it becomes very clear that any MINI is simply a replaceable object -- people, of course, are not.

The damage to your MINI looks very much like the way my MINI looked after an accident I had when a flying pickup truck tire (mounted on a heavy steel wheel complete with a brake drum still attached) came flying at high speed right at my MINI:

http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...threadid=14600

From what I can tell, the A-pillar on MINIs has been engineered to be incredibly strong. I would bet there is no damage at all there on your car, and as far as sheet metal parts you'll only need a new hood, cowl, and the little front fender piece replaced. That's all the new sheet metal my car required.

LordWinslow · Jun 6th, 2003, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MudBud

If it had been a MCS you might have zipped right by it without touching it.

[/b]

Didn't realize that the MCS was Moose Proof, hmmm may have to upgrade.

Winslow

Spy Car · Jun 6th, 2003, 07:43 AM

Wow. So glad you are OK!

We have a cousin who was killed when he hit a moose so I know how serious this kind of accident this can be. Must have been very scary.

MGB Boy · Jun 6th, 2003, 11:29 PM

So what does Johnny Claims-adjuster have to say?

-Ricardo

LuckyRVA · Jun 6th, 2003, 11:41 PM

This thing looks like a MAF sensor, not sure why it would be hanging outside or your front bumper though...

snid · Jun 7th, 2003, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MGB Boy
So what does Johnny Claims-adjuster have to say?

The adjuster gave it what seemed to me to be a fairly quick look and went on his merry way. He wasn't set up with all that new fangled computerized wireless stuff, so he didn't get a final total on the spot. After he left, I called the local BMW / Porsche / Mercedes / etc dealer to see if they did bodywork. They don't, but the gave me the name of the shop in town they send their BMWs to.

I decided, possibly unwisely, to drive over to that shop. On the way, I noticed that the alignment is off. When I let go of the wheel it slowly turns more and more to the right. Anyway, I got to the body shop and felt like they were a pretty good place to have work on the car. They had worked on a few MINIs before... they were (presumably) honest and said that they hadn't done any major work on one, but at least they know what one is

Got a much better looking at at the body shop. The guy there checked the clearance between the door and the quarter panel. We tried to open the hood, but he couldn't get the release thingy near the headlight to release, so that's still a slight unknown. The A-pillar is still suspect. The body shop guy said it looks like that portion of the car (the windshield / A-pillar area) to a very heavy hit.

If I remember what was said correctly, the plan is to get the windshield out and check for structural damage. I think he said dry fit a new windshield and see if it goes in right, but hopefully there's something more high-tech than that. Their history of MINI parts availability is ~5 days between ordering and arrival. They're considering the car to be undrivable, so it takes priority over drivable cars for getting work done. Their BMW guy is going to be the one working on it.

I did get to see the body shop using their computer to do up an estimate... I thought I saw something around $3500 when I was there.

The insurace company called me up, said they had recieved both estimates and that both of them were in agreement, and that they were cutting a check for $2142.62

I called the body shop this morning, and they said not to worry about the seeming discrepency.

I got both estimates faxed to me today. I certainly don't understand this stuff... the adjuster's estimate totals out at $2492.62 I think I'm missing a page from the body shop's estimate... but everybody says they're in agreement.

I've got a rental VW Beetle 5 speed. I really miss the MINI now. I never understood the difference between a good shifter and a bad one until now.

The gory details of parts from the body shop (I think there's a page missing):

51116800140 - cover, front bumper - $144.00
51116800143 - strip, front bumper - $22.50
51111490062 - mldg, frt bmpr cvr upr - $23.75
51116800135 - spoiler, lower front - $31.00
51117032900 - filler, front bumper - $24.25
63126911705 - headlamp assy, halogen lt - $145.00
63176911721 - lamp assembly, fog lt - $36.25
41617067753 - panel, hood - $293.00
51231496304 - latch, hood panel lt - $14.80
51311483874 - windshield, shaded - $199.00
refinish front bumper cover
refinish hood
repair / refinish front fender left
R&I assembly - mldg, fender side
R&I assembly - grille, frt fndr lou lt

Obviously, that's not all because the side mirror (among other things) is not listed... not sure what R&I means either

The gory details of parts from the appraiser:

rpl front spoiler center - $31.00
rpr front bumper cover
rpl left front bumper chrome cover - $22.50
rpl left front headlamp assy, standard, W/O aim headlamps - $145.00
rpl hood, base model - $293.00
rpl windshield, MINI, W/O rain sensor - $470 (in a column headed "sublet")
rpl left reveal molding, side - $56.00
rpl reveal molding, upper - $8.30
rpr left door shell
rpl left door mirror base w/folding - $52.25
rpl left door cover black - $84.25
rpl left door mirror glass, w/heat - $43.75
R&I left door handle, outside
R&I left door trim panel, leatherette, silver
rpl left wiper arm - $21.50
rpl left blade - $10.40
rpr left uniside assy

So, most things match up, a few don't (aside from the missing stuff from the body shop) Most obvious is the difference in windshield prices - $199.00 vs $470.00

Still have to see if there's anything in the engine bay, if the structural thing behind the bumper (bumper rail?) is damaged, if the a-pillar is damaged, and then worry about alignment / suspension / other mechanical issues.

If I am getting a new hood, and possible some of the stuff in that whole bumper / grille area replaced, I'll probably get the 3M film shield junk put on it at the dealer. Those stone chips were pretty bad from one winter of driving. If I get to start over in that respect, why not?

The estimate say ~5 days of work. So, with a ~5 day part delivery time, it might only be a couple of weeks. Yeah, right

snid · Jun 7th, 2003, 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LuckyRVA
This thing looks like a MAF sensor, not sure why it would be hanging outside or your front bumper though...

It's the outside air temperature sensor... It's supposed to be tucked up behind something, but it got bounced loose.

stryder · Jun 7th, 2003, 01:09 AM

R&I is remove and install (I believe that's what the letters actually mean). In anycase Anything that's not damaged, like the door handles, need to be taken off before the door's painted, then put back on. I wonder if the price difference in windshields is dealer + aftermarket. Someone stated they had gotten a PPG windshield, so perhaps cheaper alternatives are around now.

MGB Boy · Jun 7th, 2003, 03:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by snid

If I am getting a new hood, and possible some of the stuff in that whole bumper / grille area replaced, I'll probably get the 3M film shield junk put on it at the dealer. Those stone chips were pretty bad from one winter of driving. If I get to start over in that respect, why not?

Actually, that thought occurred to me this morning... "Hey, now he won't have to worry about all those stone chips on the nose..." I swear, I couldn't believe the number of stone chips that car had. Do you follow gravel trucks around?

Two weeks sounds really nip 'n' tuck regarding the Mt Washington run. You just might get to re-christen it by heading up the mountain...

-R

snid · Jun 17th, 2003, 05:10 AM

Still waiting... Stopped by the body shop this afternoon to see what was up and make sure the check I got from the insurance company wouldn't cause any problems as it is made out to both me and the bank I have the car loan from. No problem with the check. The MINI was inside, but positioned so that all I could see of it through the window is the back right corner - the front left side(s) have the damage. The windshield was out, but that was about all I could see. No mention was made of A-pillar damage, so I'm assuming that means there isn't any. No mention of ordered parts that didn't arrive. There was mention of some small dents on the roof that were previously unnoticed. We're going with moose damage for those. I was still told "late this week" for when it will be done. I'm still not expecting it.

Harry Morant · Jun 17th, 2003, 05:44 PM

So has anyone cracked a "MINI Moose" joke yet - just wondering.

Glad to hear you're ok - from what I've heard it could have been a lot worse. Testament to the strength on the MINI.

brett · Jun 17th, 2003, 05:53 PM

From the looks of that photo your headlight covers didn't break

Looks like my Mini guy was correct in saying they are unbreakable...well to a certain extent anyway

snid · Jun 17th, 2003, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by brett
From the looks of that photo your headlight covers didn't break Looks like my Mini guy was correct in saying they are unbreakable...well to a certain extent anyway

Oh, the one on the driver's side broke. It just doesn't photo very well.

Jun 5th, 2003, 07:21 AM	#1
snid brown is back Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Burlington, VT Local Time: 07:18 PM Posts: 4,216 Offline	MINI vs moose - almost 3 months later, all is fixed First off, I'm fine. Not a scratch, bump, or bruise. The moose, well, I'm not sure if it was all me or if the two other cars that ran it over after I hit it (but before the police arrived), but the moose didn't make it. I was travelling down the highway here in Vermont at ~70mph, 11:30 or so at night. It's strange, but even though I can't say that I ever saw the moose, I immediately knew that a moose was what I had hit. It was almost entirely in the left lane, I was driving down the right. I caught the back legs, something (the butt?) got my windshield, something took off my driver's side mirror and put a dent in the driver's door. The moose wound up spun around 180 degrees - the cops thought I had hit its head (which I hadn't). No airbags went off. Now, the insurance fun begins. I've got an adjuster coming tomorrow morning. I hope it's not as bad a sign as I think when they call to tell me "I'm coming tomorrow to look at your Cooper van." "A MINI Cooper? what's that". "Is it one of those little station wagons?" ugh. More pictures available here The odd looking extra silver thing on the passenger's side of the bumper is the tow hook. The police wouldn't let me drive the MINI away because of the windshield damage and the fact that it was night. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by snid : Aug 29th, 2003 at 11:42 AM.

Jun 5th, 2003, 08:00 AM	#3 (permalink)
paulmon MINI2 Senior Derelict Join Date: May 2002 Location: Mississauga(Toronto) Local Time: 07:18 PM Posts: 789 Offline	Wow. I hope you realize how lucky you were. My wife and her uncle hit a moose back in '97 while driving to New Brunswick from Quebec. It was a "small female moose" weighing around 750lbs! They hit it head on doing around 110kph. Here's some picture of what once was my '96 Honda Accord coupe, needless to say it wasn't a convertible until the moose had his way with the car. My wife was in intensive care for 5 days, hospital for 3 weeks and didn't work for several months, she's fine now. Heck, she didn't even know who I was at first. Her uncle was luckier, he spent a night in hospital and then was released. I'm so happy to hear that you didn't get hurt after what my wife went through. Cheers, Paul Attached Thumbnails Southern Ontario MINI Club

Jun 5th, 2003, 08:38 AM	#5 (permalink)
MudBud Expect Anything Else? Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Kittery Point, Maine Local Time: 06:18 PM Posts: 281 Offline	Next Door Neighbor Well glad you are OK. I have seen other Moose strikes, was it on Rt 89? I am heading that way in a couple of weeks to go to Plattsburg. If it had been a MCS you might have zipped right by it without touching it. Did the side of the moose have a bumper sticker "Smile as you go Under"? Good luck with the insurance company and let us know what they say. 2003 DS/DS MCS

Jun 5th, 2003, 08:48 AM	#6 (permalink)
xplode minimalist Join Date: May 2002 Location: here Local Time: 07:18 PM Posts: 586 Offline	hey snid, so glad you're ok. back in sweden, i saw a lot of moose-related accidents and they rarely have as happy endings for either driver or car. moose are particularly bad because they're heavy but their weight is carried far up on long thin legs - when you hit them they tend to go through your windshield and land in your lap. consider yourself very lucky and here's hoping your car only had superficial damage! cooper s '05 x brg/white/chrome, cordoba/anthracite/chrome, flik wasp 17x7 x delivered july 26th 2005 cooper '02 replaced x brg/white, R83 white, chrome, cordoba x built june 21st, arrived july 15th on the traviata, delivered july 26th 2002

Jun 5th, 2003, 09:15 AM	#7 (permalink)
MGB Boy heterochromic & loving it Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: at the rink Local Time: 07:18 PM Posts: 4,216 Offline	Well, I guess you'll be first in line for one of those "Brake for Moose: It Could Save Your Life" bumper stickers you see around here. It doesn't look quite as bad as I thought it might, actually. Lots of dents, but not as "mashed" as some post-moose cars I've seen. Front bumper, hood, windscreen, a-pillar cover, mirror, and maybe door skin (if they can't tap out that dent). It looks like the shattering of the windscreen is what pushed off the inside a-pillar cover, as opposed to any warping of the pillar itself, the pillar (at least from what we can see in the pics) still looks straight. Hopefully it is. That's the key, because if you've ever watched the "how we make them" time lapse video on the MINI website, you'll see that the a-pillar is part of one of the basic building blocks of the car, one of the first basic half dozen or so pieces that the robots weld together before humans ever touch the car. The a-pillar is part of one big piece that includes the entire door frame, the edge of the roofline from front to back and the whole rear window frame. I don't think it's a part they can replace (the pics below show the part in question). Odds are, if the a-pillar is shot, so is the car... -Ricardo Attached Thumbnails 06 MCS-W/77 MGB/69 MGB-GT "2 minutes by yourself and...you feel shame, you know...and then you get free"

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Jun 5th, 2003, 07:58 AM	#2 (permalink)
GadgetGav gadgetmeister Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: This Old House Local Time: 07:18 PM Posts: 6,094 Offline	Glad you're OK Jason. You must have been really lucky not to get glass in your eyes - do you wear glasses to drive..? Looks like the hood, wing and A pillar damage may have affected the whole alignment of the front wheel. Can you at least get a new screen fitted - would it go in..? Hope the insurance company come through for you...

Jun 5th, 2003, 08:23 AM	#4 (permalink)
snid brown is back Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Burlington, VT Local Time: 07:18 PM Posts: 4,216 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by obehave Also hope that A pillar isn't damaged. That's one of my fears too... The black outer covering seems to be pretty plastic-y, and is shattered. There's some close to body color metal underneath. If that's bent, I bet that means things get much more expensive.

Jun 5th, 2003, 11:12 AM	#8 (permalink)
BruceK Moderator & Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: San Antonio, Texas Local Time: 05:18 PM Posts: 3,759 Offline	Re: MINI vs moose Quote: Originally posted by snid First off, I'm fine. Not a scratch, bump, or bruise. .... Wow! Sorry to hear of your accident but very encouraged to learn that you are well. As much as we like them, its at times like this it becomes very clear that any MINI is simply a replaceable object -- people, of course, are not. The damage to your MINI looks very much like the way my MINI looked after an accident I had when a flying pickup truck tire (mounted on a heavy steel wheel complete with a brake drum still attached) came flying at high speed right at my MINI: http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...threadid=14600 From what I can tell, the A-pillar on MINIs has been engineered to be incredibly strong. I would bet there is no damage at all there on your car, and as far as sheet metal parts you'll only need a new hood, cowl, and the little front fender piece replaced. That's all the new sheet metal my car required. + 2002 MINI Cooper S - Dark Silver / White roof, Sport, Premium, Lapis blue leather + 1965 Mini Traveller - Tartan Red / White roof, 1275, Cooper S discs, fully restored/renewed

Jun 6th, 2003, 07:01 AM	#9 (permalink)
LordWinslow Back... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Londonderry, NH Local Time: 06:18 PM Posts: 1,416 Offline	Re: Next Door Neighbor Quote: Originally posted by MudBud If it had been a MCS you might have zipped right by it without touching it. [/b] Didn't realize that the MCS was Moose Proof, hmmm may have to upgrade. Winslow This space for Rent

Jun 6th, 2003, 07:43 AM	#10 (permalink)
Spy Car I miss Ruthie Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: City of the Angels Local Time: 04:18 PM Posts: 6,359 Offline	Wow. So glad you are OK! We have a cousin who was killed when he hit a moose so I know how serious this kind of accident this can be. Must have been very scary.

Jun 6th, 2003, 11:29 PM	#11 (permalink)
MGB Boy heterochromic & loving it Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: at the rink Local Time: 07:18 PM Posts: 4,216 Offline	So what does Johnny Claims-adjuster have to say? -Ricardo 06 MCS-W/77 MGB/69 MGB-GT "2 minutes by yourself and...you feel shame, you know...and then you get free"

Jun 6th, 2003, 11:41 PM	#12 (permalink)
LuckyRVA 1.6 Litres of fury!!!! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Queens, NYC Local Time: 07:18 PM Posts: 1,277 Offline	This thing looks like a MAF sensor, not sure why it would be hanging outside or your front bumper though... 2002 Dark Silver Cooper S w/ white roof. SOLD

Jun 7th, 2003, 12:16 AM	#13 (permalink)
snid brown is back Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Burlington, VT Local Time: 07:18 PM Posts: 4,216 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by MGB Boy So what does Johnny Claims-adjuster have to say? The adjuster gave it what seemed to me to be a fairly quick look and went on his merry way. He wasn't set up with all that new fangled computerized wireless stuff, so he didn't get a final total on the spot. After he left, I called the local BMW / Porsche / Mercedes / etc dealer to see if they did bodywork. They don't, but the gave me the name of the shop in town they send their BMWs to. I decided, possibly unwisely, to drive over to that shop. On the way, I noticed that the alignment is off. When I let go of the wheel it slowly turns more and more to the right. Anyway, I got to the body shop and felt like they were a pretty good place to have work on the car. They had worked on a few MINIs before... they were (presumably) honest and said that they hadn't done any major work on one, but at least they know what one is Got a much better looking at at the body shop. The guy there checked the clearance between the door and the quarter panel. We tried to open the hood, but he couldn't get the release thingy near the headlight to release, so that's still a slight unknown. The A-pillar is still suspect. The body shop guy said it looks like that portion of the car (the windshield / A-pillar area) to a very heavy hit. If I remember what was said correctly, the plan is to get the windshield out and check for structural damage. I think he said dry fit a new windshield and see if it goes in right, but hopefully there's something more high-tech than that. Their history of MINI parts availability is ~5 days between ordering and arrival. They're considering the car to be undrivable, so it takes priority over drivable cars for getting work done. Their BMW guy is going to be the one working on it. I did get to see the body shop using their computer to do up an estimate... I thought I saw something around $3500 when I was there. The insurace company called me up, said they had recieved both estimates and that both of them were in agreement, and that they were cutting a check for $2142.62 I called the body shop this morning, and they said not to worry about the seeming discrepency. I got both estimates faxed to me today. I certainly don't understand this stuff... the adjuster's estimate totals out at $2492.62 I think I'm missing a page from the body shop's estimate... but everybody says they're in agreement. I've got a rental VW Beetle 5 speed. I really miss the MINI now. I never understood the difference between a good shifter and a bad one until now. The gory details of parts from the body shop (I think there's a page missing): 51116800140 - cover, front bumper - $144.00 51116800143 - strip, front bumper - $22.50 51111490062 - mldg, frt bmpr cvr upr - $23.75 51116800135 - spoiler, lower front - $31.00 51117032900 - filler, front bumper - $24.25 63126911705 - headlamp assy, halogen lt - $145.00 63176911721 - lamp assembly, fog lt - $36.25 41617067753 - panel, hood - $293.00 51231496304 - latch, hood panel lt - $14.80 51311483874 - windshield, shaded - $199.00 refinish front bumper cover refinish hood repair / refinish front fender left R&I assembly - mldg, fender side R&I assembly - grille, frt fndr lou lt Obviously, that's not all because the side mirror (among other things) is not listed... not sure what R&I means either The gory details of parts from the appraiser: rpl front spoiler center - $31.00 rpr front bumper cover rpl left front bumper chrome cover - $22.50 rpl left front headlamp assy, standard, W/O aim headlamps - $145.00 rpl hood, base model - $293.00 rpl windshield, MINI, W/O rain sensor - $470 (in a column headed "sublet") rpl left reveal molding, side - $56.00 rpl reveal molding, upper - $8.30 rpr left door shell rpl left door mirror base w/folding - $52.25 rpl left door cover black - $84.25 rpl left door mirror glass, w/heat - $43.75 R&I left door handle, outside R&I left door trim panel, leatherette, silver rpl left wiper arm - $21.50 rpl left blade - $10.40 rpr left uniside assy So, most things match up, a few don't (aside from the missing stuff from the body shop) Most obvious is the difference in windshield prices - $199.00 vs $470.00 Still have to see if there's anything in the engine bay, if the structural thing behind the bumper (bumper rail?) is damaged, if the a-pillar is damaged, and then worry about alignment / suspension / other mechanical issues. If I am getting a new hood, and possible some of the stuff in that whole bumper / grille area replaced, I'll probably get the 3M film shield junk put on it at the dealer. Those stone chips were pretty bad from one winter of driving. If I get to start over in that respect, why not? The estimate say ~5 days of work. So, with a ~5 day part delivery time, it might only be a couple of weeks. Yeah, right

Jun 7th, 2003, 12:17 AM	#14 (permalink)
snid brown is back Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Burlington, VT Local Time: 07:18 PM Posts: 4,216 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by LuckyRVA This thing looks like a MAF sensor, not sure why it would be hanging outside or your front bumper though... It's the outside air temperature sensor... It's supposed to be tucked up behind something, but it got bounced loose.

Jun 7th, 2003, 01:09 AM	#15 (permalink)
stryder Sponsor/Moderator/Other Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Cleveland Local Time: 06:18 PM Posts: 3,358 Offline	R&I is remove and install (I believe that's what the letters actually mean). In anycase Anything that's not damaged, like the door handles, need to be taken off before the door's painted, then put back on. I wonder if the price difference in windshields is dealer + aftermarket. Someone stated they had gotten a PPG windshield, so perhaps cheaper alternatives are around now. Magic 8-ball was correct. All be in awe of Magic 8 ball.

Jun 7th, 2003, 03:01 AM	#16 (permalink)
MGB Boy heterochromic & loving it Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: at the rink Local Time: 07:18 PM Posts: 4,216 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by snid If I am getting a new hood, and possible some of the stuff in that whole bumper / grille area replaced, I'll probably get the 3M film shield junk put on it at the dealer. Those stone chips were pretty bad from one winter of driving. If I get to start over in that respect, why not? Actually, that thought occurred to me this morning... "Hey, now he won't have to worry about all those stone chips on the nose..." I swear, I couldn't believe the number of stone chips that car had. Do you follow gravel trucks around? Two weeks sounds really nip 'n' tuck regarding the Mt Washington run. You just might get to re-christen it by heading up the mountain... -R 06 MCS-W/77 MGB/69 MGB-GT "2 minutes by yourself and...you feel shame, you know...and then you get free"

Jun 17th, 2003, 05:10 AM	#17 (permalink)
snid brown is back Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Burlington, VT Local Time: 07:18 PM Posts: 4,216 Offline	Still waiting... Stopped by the body shop this afternoon to see what was up and make sure the check I got from the insurance company wouldn't cause any problems as it is made out to both me and the bank I have the car loan from. No problem with the check. The MINI was inside, but positioned so that all I could see of it through the window is the back right corner - the front left side(s) have the damage. The windshield was out, but that was about all I could see. No mention was made of A-pillar damage, so I'm assuming that means there isn't any. No mention of ordered parts that didn't arrive. There was mention of some small dents on the roof that were previously unnoticed. We're going with moose damage for those. I was still told "late this week" for when it will be done. I'm still not expecting it.

Jun 17th, 2003, 05:44 PM	#18 (permalink)
Harry Morant The Iron Pyrite Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canberra ACT Local Time: 09:18 AM Posts: 835 Offline	So has anyone cracked a "MINI Moose" joke yet - just wondering. Glad to hear you're ok - from what I've heard it could have been a lot worse. Testament to the strength on the MINI.

Jun 17th, 2003, 05:53 PM	#19 (permalink)
brett 1st MINI Owner in QLD !!! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St George Local Time: 09:18 AM Posts: 2,410 Offline	WOW!! From the looks of that photo your headlight covers didn't break Looks like my Mini guy was correct in saying they are unbreakable...well to a certain extent anyway

Jun 17th, 2003, 07:20 PM	#20 (permalink)
snid brown is back Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Burlington, VT Local Time: 07:18 PM Posts: 4,216 Offline	Re: WOW!! Quote: Originally posted by brett From the looks of that photo your headlight covers didn't break Looks like my Mini guy was correct in saying they are unbreakable...well to a certain extent anyway Oh, the one on the driver's side broke. It just doesn't photo very well. Attached Thumbnails

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