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babycar · Jun 7th, 2003, 12:42 AM

At 70mph on the freeway, what is the RPMs in High gear of both the Cooper & the "S" model? Are the Xenon headlights worth the $500?

Thanks!

Pamlico · Jun 7th, 2003, 12:48 AM

My MCS turns in the range of 2800 rpm at 70 mph. Sorry I don't know how the MC does.

I got the Xenons as part of the Sport Package and am pleased with their performance. I probably would have paid $500 for them as an individual option.

BillK · Jun 7th, 2003, 01:08 AM

Can't help on the RPM as I drive a CVT, but the xenons are quite good.

Pamlico, I think you DID pay $500 for them, I don't think they are part of the package. I remember pricing them in seperatly on my spec, and I have both the sport and premium packages.

Pamlico · Jun 7th, 2003, 02:38 AM

Nope, at least nope for the MCS.

The Xenons were then (Summer '02) and are now (check MINIUSA) a component of the Sport Package on the MCS.

The reason I recall this so clearly is that at the time we ordered ours there was a shortage of Xenons and there was a concern that some MCSs ordered with the Sport Package would be delivered without Xenons. I called several times during the preproduction phase to check to be sure they would be included (they were).

Spy Car · Jun 7th, 2003, 11:35 AM

Pamlico is exactly right Bill. Coopers got the "MCS standard" sports suspension plus in the Sports Package and the Cooper S got the Xenons.

BTW. The Xenons are well worth getting IMO.

BruceK · Jun 7th, 2003, 11:42 AM

I agree, the xenons are a great safety feature.

Pamlico · Jun 7th, 2003, 08:54 PM

By the way, I should have mentioned that the 2800 rpm figure @ 70 mph is in 6th gear. (In 2nd gear revs are just about at redline (6750)

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cooper4us · Jun 7th, 2003, 10:15 PM

In normal mode in the Cooper CVT, the engine RPM's hoover at around 2,800-3,000 RPMs @ 70MPH. In either Sport or Steptronic mode the engine turns at over 3K RPM at the same speed.

I don't have the Xenon lights, but the stock halogen headlights are very good too...they provide a clear field of vision and the high beams are powerful enough.

Spy Car · Jun 8th, 2003, 11:46 AM

BTW the high (main for Brits) beams are not Xenons, even with the Xenon low (dipped) beam package.

bluesmini · Jun 8th, 2003, 02:02 PM

the xenons are great. as stated above they are not bi-xenons which would be nice. the auto-level at start up is a nice little hello from your car.

Spy Car · Jun 8th, 2003, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bluesmini
the xenons are great. as stated above they are not bi-xenons which would be nice. the auto-level at start up is a nice little hello from your car.

I was wondering if I was the only one who got a little excited while the xenons did their auto-leveling thing. Evidently not.

Mini_me · Jun 9th, 2003, 05:59 AM

As the xenons are only on dipped beam. I my opinion is that they are not worth paying a lot of extra money for.

They are definately quite cool to look. In terms of performance the do iluminate better than halogen lights BUT with the low angle the xenons are set at coming out of the factory the halogens on my Coopers were much better/safer since I could see enough of the road ahead. The xenons on my MCS are angled so low I can't see far enough ahead and I never use my front fog lights anymore. Hopefully this should be rectified when I find time to call in at the dealers.

BillK · Jun 14th, 2003, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pamlico
Nope, at least nope for the MCS.

The Xenons were then (Summer '02) and are now (check MINIUSA) a component of the Sport Package on the MCS.

I stand corrected. I was looking at this from the MC standpoint, not MCS.

Jun 7th, 2003, 12:42 AM	#1
babycar MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Hollywood, Fl. Local Time: 12:17 AM Posts: 1 Offline	Prospective Owner info.... At 70mph on the freeway, what is the RPMs in High gear of both the Cooper & the "S" model? Are the Xenon headlights worth the $500? Thanks!

Jun 7th, 2003, 01:08 AM	#3 (permalink)
BillK MINI2 Senior Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Irvine, CA Local Time: 05:17 PM Posts: 541 Offline	Can't help on the RPM as I drive a CVT, but the xenons are quite good. Pamlico, I think you DID pay $500 for them, I don't think they are part of the package. I remember pricing them in seperatly on my spec, and I have both the sport and premium packages. MC/VR/B/PP&SP/CVT/Xenon

Jun 7th, 2003, 02:38 AM	#4 (permalink)
Pamlico Dead Man's Curve? Feh. Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rochester, NY Local Time: 08:17 PM Posts: 1,176 Offline	Xenons & MCS Sport Package Nope, at least nope for the MCS. The Xenons were then (Summer '02) and are now (check MINIUSA) a component of the Sport Package on the MCS. The reason I recall this so clearly is that at the time we ordered ours there was a shortage of Xenons and there was a concern that some MCSs ordered with the Sport Package would be delivered without Xenons. I called several times during the preproduction phase to check to be sure they would be included (they were).

Jun 7th, 2003, 11:42 AM	#6 (permalink)
BruceK Moderator & Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: San Antonio, Texas Local Time: 06:17 PM Posts: 3,758 Offline	I agree, the xenons are a great safety feature. + 2002 MINI Cooper S - Dark Silver / White roof, Sport, Premium, Lapis blue leather + 1965 Mini Traveller - Tartan Red / White roof, 1275, Cooper S discs, fully restored/renewed

Jun 7th, 2003, 08:54 PM	#7 (permalink)
Pamlico Dead Man's Curve? Feh. Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rochester, NY Local Time: 08:17 PM Posts: 1,176 Offline	By the way, I should have mentioned that the 2800 rpm figure @ 70 mph is in 6th gear. (In 2nd gear revs are just about at redline (6750))

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Jun 7th, 2003, 12:48 AM	#2 (permalink)
Pamlico Dead Man's Curve? Feh. Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rochester, NY Local Time: 08:17 PM Posts: 1,176 Offline	My MCS turns in the range of 2800 rpm at 70 mph. Sorry I don't know how the MC does. I got the Xenons as part of the Sport Package and am pleased with their performance. I probably would have paid $500 for them as an individual option.

Jun 7th, 2003, 11:35 AM	#5 (permalink)
Spy Car I miss Ruthie Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: City of the Angels Local Time: 04:17 PM Posts: 6,425 Offline	Pamlico is exactly right Bill. Coopers got the "MCS standard" sports suspension plus in the Sports Package and the Cooper S got the Xenons. BTW. The Xenons are well worth getting IMO.

Jun 7th, 2003, 10:15 PM	#8 (permalink)
cooper4us MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Local Time: 07:17 PM Posts: 1,423 Offline	In normal mode in the Cooper CVT, the engine RPM's hoover at around 2,800-3,000 RPMs @ 70MPH. In either Sport or Steptronic mode the engine turns at over 3K RPM at the same speed. I don't have the Xenon lights, but the stock halogen headlights are very good too...they provide a clear field of vision and the high beams are powerful enough. '02 MINI Cooper CVT On Order: 2004 MCS (Est production date: 9/5/03)

Jun 8th, 2003, 11:46 AM	#9 (permalink)
Spy Car I miss Ruthie Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: City of the Angels Local Time: 04:17 PM Posts: 6,425 Offline	BTW the high (main for Brits) beams are not Xenons, even with the Xenon low (dipped) beam package.

Jun 8th, 2003, 02:02 PM	#10 (permalink)
bluesmini MINI2 Senior Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: south east Local Time: 07:17 PM Posts: 396 Offline	the xenons are great. as stated above they are not bi-xenons which would be nice. the auto-level at start up is a nice little hello from your car.

Jun 8th, 2003, 02:11 PM	#11 (permalink)
Spy Car I miss Ruthie Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: City of the Angels Local Time: 04:17 PM Posts: 6,425 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by bluesmini the xenons are great. as stated above they are not bi-xenons which would be nice. the auto-level at start up is a nice little hello from your car. I was wondering if I was the only one who got a little excited while the xenons did their auto-leveling thing. Evidently not.

Jun 9th, 2003, 05:59 AM	#12 (permalink)
Mini_me MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Böblingen Stuttgart Local Time: 01:17 AM Posts: 338 Offline	As the xenons are only on dipped beam. I my opinion is that they are not worth paying a lot of extra money for. They are definately quite cool to look. In terms of performance the do iluminate better than halogen lights BUT with the low angle the xenons are set at coming out of the factory the halogens on my Coopers were much better/safer since I could see enough of the road ahead. The xenons on my MCS are angled so low I can't see far enough ahead and I never use my front fog lights anymore. Hopefully this should be rectified when I find time to call in at the dealers. Mini: Drive and feel alive.

Jun 14th, 2003, 08:45 AM	#13 (permalink)
BillK MINI2 Senior Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Irvine, CA Local Time: 05:17 PM Posts: 541 Offline	Re: Xenons & MCS Sport Package Quote: Originally posted by Pamlico Nope, at least nope for the MCS. The Xenons were then (Summer '02) and are now (check MINIUSA) a component of the Sport Package on the MCS. I stand corrected. I was looking at this from the MC standpoint, not MCS. MC/VR/B/PP&SP/CVT/Xenon

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