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jgmyers70 · Jun 9th, 2003, 05:53 AM

I have a Cooper with climate control which is faulty (doesn't get very cold/ responds in odd way) and am getting a replacement car. Should I spec in manual A/C instead or take a risk and go for climate again?

oldnell · Jun 9th, 2003, 06:09 AM

Well, I prefer manual. WHen I'm driving along, I don't think "hmmm, I really wish the temperature was 14 degrees C". I think "I'm too hot" or "I'm too cold" and turn the knob in the appropriate direction.

cooper4us · Jun 9th, 2003, 07:28 AM

We also have the manual A/C and works wonders. Just turn 1 of the three rotary knobs and presto you have immediate cabin comfort!

paulmon · Jun 9th, 2003, 08:20 AM

I like my automatic CC, I set it to 19c and leave it, never to be touched again. I don't find it noisy at all and I find it looks nicer in the dash that the manual air-con. My 2cents.

Paul

MiniMan7 · Jun 9th, 2003, 08:21 AM

Gotta be the manual!

DEye · Jun 9th, 2003, 09:49 AM

like the Paulmon said you set it and leave it none of the endless tinkering - Althoug i'll *occasionally* give the know a click - ckilc left or right ot up or down it a coupld of Dog-rees -
Our family car has Manual air and we are toying with it endlessly...

nonsequitur · Jun 9th, 2003, 10:38 PM

We actually optioned around the package (paid more!) to get the Manual A/C. It eliminates the dreaded orange-lighted-number-in-the-middle-of-the-dash, and makes temperature selection a simple and intuitive "twist of the wrist." We still like it much better.

Martin L · Jun 9th, 2003, 10:52 PM

Both systems are fine, but if you don't want to be constantly fiddling with the buttons go for the climate control. Manual systems do require a lot of tinkering to get the temperature just right and then once you do, the sun goes in and it goes too cold... more fiddling required

It's really a personal preference if you like playing with your knobs or not

cooper4us · Jun 9th, 2003, 11:16 PM

You don't have to fiddle with the rotary knobs endlessly...that is nonsense. Quite on the contrary, I see most Climate control owners fiddling with their "Automatic" system because the thing seems to have a mind of his own and doesn't seem to work as advertaised. With the manual controls, you set the temperature, fan speed and air flow direction and you are done.

Face it, a lot of climate control owners like the high tech look of the buttons and the LCD orange display than the actual functionality it is capable of providing.

Martin L · Jun 9th, 2003, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cooper4us
With the manual controls, you set the temperature, fan speed and air flow direction and you are done.

I think not

All the manual a/c does when you set the "temperature" gauge is to set the percentage of a/c and heat it will let into the cabin.
If the temperature outside the car changes, the temperature inside the car will change too as the cooling/heating of the air will remain constant.
Climate control will take outside air temperature into account and adjust accordingling.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I donn't think the manual a/c system has a thermostat so does not shut off when it's too hot or cold. If it's too hot or too cold it's up to the driver to adjust, hence the term "manual".
I know for sure in the UK the temperature changes vary considerably in a journey due to our crazy climate so constant fiddling is required. In a more constant climate I can foresee less fiddling is needed.

mrhollio · Jun 10th, 2003, 12:18 PM

I like to "set it and forget it"... but I see this as $$ decision - if you have the money, its cool, if you don't it ain't that big a deal to do without.

nonsequitur · Jun 10th, 2003, 12:23 PM

Does anyone know how the insides of these systems actually work to mix hot and cool air for the correct temperature? Many cars have air boxes with flappers (valves) that are controlled by the levers or dials on the dash.

jgmyers70 · Jun 11th, 2003, 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cooper4us
You don't have to fiddle with the rotary knobs endlessly...that is nonsense. Quite on the contrary, I see most Climate control owners fiddling with their "Automatic" system because the thing seems to have a mind of his own and doesn't seem to work as advertaised. With the manual controls, you set the temperature, fan speed and air flow direction and you are done.

Face it, a lot of climate control owners like the high tech look of the buttons and the LCD orange display than the actual functionality it is capable of providing.

I agree with you and have decided to go for manual. I have had climate in a BMW and it was excellent. However the system in the mini is very noisy, fiddly and reacts to temperature changes with all the precision of a ham fisted village idiot. The idea of climate is great but the delivery by mini is poor. I think if i get it again it will probably still be 'faulty'.

Nic D · Jun 11th, 2003, 01:27 AM

Auto - Can't hear the fans over my stereo and engine anyway so i dunno where the noisy comments come from. My system wasn't working properly intially but now i've had it sorted its great!

oldnell · Jun 11th, 2003, 06:18 AM

I had auto aircon for five days in a BMW loan car a while back. It was a nightmare. It never was a "set and forget" thing, because I don't always want to be at a uniform temperature. Sometimes I feel hot and sometimes I feel cold, regardless of what the actual temperature inside or outside of the car might be.

It was quite a distraction to fiddle with the auto a/c controls to make it hotter or colder. Didn't get along with that at all.

jgmyers70 · Jun 11th, 2003, 05:33 PM

I agree. Perhaps if they made manual as 'pretty' as climate more people would think manual was better!

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Jun 9th, 2003, 05:53 AM	#1
jgmyers70 MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Manchester Local Time: 02:10 AM Posts: 32 Offline	Manual A/C V's Climate Control I have a Cooper with climate control which is faulty (doesn't get very cold/ responds in odd way) and am getting a replacement car. Should I spec in manual A/C instead or take a risk and go for climate again?

Jun 9th, 2003, 07:28 AM	#3 (permalink)
cooper4us MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Local Time: 09:10 PM Posts: 1,423 Offline	We also have the manual A/C and works wonders. Just turn 1 of the three rotary knobs and presto you have immediate cabin comfort! '02 MINI Cooper CVT On Order: 2004 MCS (Est production date: 9/5/03)

Jun 9th, 2003, 08:20 AM	#4 (permalink)
paulmon MINI2 Senior Derelict Join Date: May 2002 Location: Mississauga(Toronto) Local Time: 10:10 PM Posts: 789 Offline	I like my automatic CC, I set it to 19c and leave it, never to be touched again. I don't find it noisy at all and I find it looks nicer in the dash that the manual air-con. My 2cents. Paul Southern Ontario MINI Club

Jun 9th, 2003, 08:21 AM	#5 (permalink)
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Jun 9th, 2003, 06:09 AM	#2 (permalink)
oldnell MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Gloucester Local Time: 03:10 AM Posts: 992 Offline	Well, I prefer manual. WHen I'm driving along, I don't think "hmmm, I really wish the temperature was 14 degrees C". I think "I'm too hot" or "I'm too cold" and turn the knob in the appropriate direction.

Jun 9th, 2003, 09:49 AM	#6 (permalink)
DEye MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada Local Time: 10:10 PM Posts: 276 Offline	like the Paulmon said you set it and leave it none of the endless tinkering - Althoug i'll occasionally give the know a click - ckilc left or right ot up or down it a coupld of Dog-rees - Our family car has Manual air and we are toying with it endlessly... Liquid Yellow Cooper

Jun 9th, 2003, 10:38 PM	#7 (permalink)
nonsequitur Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Seattle area, WA Local Time: 07:10 PM Posts: 1,466 Offline	We actually optioned around the package (paid more!) to get the Manual A/C. It eliminates the dreaded orange-lighted-number-in-the-middle-of-the-dash, and makes temperature selection a simple and intuitive "twist of the wrist." We still like it much better. '02 MINI Cooper CVT (prod. date: 6/12/2002; Indi Blue/Black roof, R-81 7-hole 15x5.5" or NZO 16x6.5") '67 Austin Cooper S 1275 Mk1 (build date: 6/26/1967; Tartan Red/Black Roof, Minilite 10x4.5" or 10x6.0")

Jun 9th, 2003, 10:52 PM	#8 (permalink)
Martin L MINI defector Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Harefield Local Time: 03:10 AM Posts: 13,600 Offline	Both systems are fine, but if you don't want to be constantly fiddling with the buttons go for the climate control. Manual systems do require a lot of tinkering to get the temperature just right and then once you do, the sun goes in and it goes too cold... more fiddling required It's really a personal preference if you like playing with your knobs or not MINI, RX8 and MX5 - Done those............. It's now TTime Unofficial MINI2.com bean counter

Jun 9th, 2003, 11:16 PM	#9 (permalink)
cooper4us MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Local Time: 09:10 PM Posts: 1,423 Offline	You don't have to fiddle with the rotary knobs endlessly...that is nonsense. Quite on the contrary, I see most Climate control owners fiddling with their "Automatic" system because the thing seems to have a mind of his own and doesn't seem to work as advertaised. With the manual controls, you set the temperature, fan speed and air flow direction and you are done. Face it, a lot of climate control owners like the high tech look of the buttons and the LCD orange display than the actual functionality it is capable of providing. '02 MINI Cooper CVT On Order: 2004 MCS (Est production date: 9/5/03)

Jun 9th, 2003, 11:33 PM	#10 (permalink)
Martin L MINI defector Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Harefield Local Time: 03:10 AM Posts: 13,600 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by cooper4us With the manual controls, you set the temperature, fan speed and air flow direction and you are done. I think not All the manual a/c does when you set the "temperature" gauge is to set the percentage of a/c and heat it will let into the cabin. If the temperature outside the car changes, the temperature inside the car will change too as the cooling/heating of the air will remain constant. Climate control will take outside air temperature into account and adjust accordingling. Correct me if I'm wrong but I donn't think the manual a/c system has a thermostat so does not shut off when it's too hot or cold. If it's too hot or too cold it's up to the driver to adjust, hence the term "manual". I know for sure in the UK the temperature changes vary considerably in a journey due to our crazy climate so constant fiddling is required. In a more constant climate I can foresee less fiddling is needed. MINI, RX8 and MX5 - Done those............. It's now TTime Unofficial MINI2.com bean counter

Jun 10th, 2003, 12:18 PM	#11 (permalink)
mrhollio road trip time Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: PV - SoCal Local Time: 07:10 PM Posts: 441 Offline	I like to "set it and forget it"... but I see this as $$ decision - if you have the money, its cool, if you don't it ain't that big a deal to do without. Trust not the heart of a man for whom old clothes, and the Mini, are not venerable!

Jun 10th, 2003, 12:23 PM	#12 (permalink)
nonsequitur Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Seattle area, WA Local Time: 07:10 PM Posts: 1,466 Offline	Does anyone know how the insides of these systems actually work to mix hot and cool air for the correct temperature? Many cars have air boxes with flappers (valves) that are controlled by the levers or dials on the dash. '02 MINI Cooper CVT (prod. date: 6/12/2002; Indi Blue/Black roof, R-81 7-hole 15x5.5" or NZO 16x6.5") '67 Austin Cooper S 1275 Mk1 (build date: 6/26/1967; Tartan Red/Black Roof, Minilite 10x4.5" or 10x6.0")

Jun 11th, 2003, 12:41 AM	#13 (permalink)
jgmyers70 MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Manchester Local Time: 02:10 AM Posts: 32 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by cooper4us You don't have to fiddle with the rotary knobs endlessly...that is nonsense. Quite on the contrary, I see most Climate control owners fiddling with their "Automatic" system because the thing seems to have a mind of his own and doesn't seem to work as advertaised. With the manual controls, you set the temperature, fan speed and air flow direction and you are done. Face it, a lot of climate control owners like the high tech look of the buttons and the LCD orange display than the actual functionality it is capable of providing. I agree with you and have decided to go for manual. I have had climate in a BMW and it was excellent. However the system in the mini is very noisy, fiddly and reacts to temperature changes with all the precision of a ham fisted village idiot. The idea of climate is great but the delivery by mini is poor. I think if i get it again it will probably still be 'faulty'.

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Jun 11th, 2003, 01:27 AM	#14 (permalink)
Nic D MINI2 Master Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Swansea Local Time: 03:10 AM Posts: 916 Offline	Auto - Can't hear the fans over my stereo and engine anyway so i dunno where the noisy comments come from. My system wasn't working properly intially but now i've had it sorted its great!

Jun 11th, 2003, 06:18 AM	#15 (permalink)
oldnell MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Gloucester Local Time: 03:10 AM Posts: 992 Offline	I had auto aircon for five days in a BMW loan car a while back. It was a nightmare. It never was a "set and forget" thing, because I don't always want to be at a uniform temperature. Sometimes I feel hot and sometimes I feel cold, regardless of what the actual temperature inside or outside of the car might be. It was quite a distraction to fiddle with the auto a/c controls to make it hotter or colder. Didn't get along with that at all.

Jun 11th, 2003, 05:33 PM	#16 (permalink)
jgmyers70 MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Manchester Local Time: 02:10 AM Posts: 32 Offline	I agree. Perhaps if they made manual as 'pretty' as climate more people would think manual was better!

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