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BRGreenie · Jun 24th, 2003, 02:33 PM

I read a summary of MINI the other day and the journo pointed out something I never thought of before which made sense to me and explains why MINI is what it is..

They said that because of the sheer size of the advanced rear suspension that is bolted to the back of a MINI the space in the rear is severely restricted.

Restricted that is compared to a 'normal' hatchback - so MINI looses points in roadtests for the lack of rear passenger space and the teeny boot.

However if you think of a MINI as a coupe like an Audi TT that has had a replica classic Mini rear welded on to give that classic Mini profile then you can appreciate it in it's true light - ie a coupe without a fastback.

Thats how I see it - MINI is a 2+2 coupe - but that suits me with 2 small children a 'true' sports car like a Mazda MX5/Miata or Lotus Elise would be out of the question.

So with MINI I get a sports car with two extra seats - brilliant!

Problem is how com Peugeot ( 206 180 ) and Renault (Clio supersport ) can get great rear suspension PLUS romm in the back?

Minty · Jun 24th, 2003, 06:00 PM

MINI is classed as a coupe on the BMW systems

BRGreenie · Jun 24th, 2003, 09:34 PM

Well thats two things I've learned today

Yank · Jun 24th, 2003, 09:53 PM

So then...it would be a MINI Couper???

5280Motoring · Jun 24th, 2003, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Yank
So then...it would be a MINI Couper???

And here I was thinking it was a Coop.

Dark Silver S · Jun 25th, 2003, 12:47 AM

I believe it would be called a MINI Cooper Couper. Got to give the nod to John, you know. Or, maybe if you fancy the other side of the Channel, it would be a ...

MINI Cooper Cou-pay.

NewOne · Jun 25th, 2003, 02:01 AM

regarding your comment re the Peugeot and Renault.
The reason they get more space is the fact that their driving position is compromised due to the fact the front seats are mounted higher in the front to allow the rear seat passengers more space.
If youve ever driven either of these( I have both) then you'll realise they both have awful driving positions,and limited head room compared to the mini.
The mini was designed from the outset to have the same driving position as the BMW 3 series and therefore the rear seats were of secondary importance.Also it was originally designed to have a sloping rear roof.
Read the book by Peter Robinson (I think).

RayC · Jun 25th, 2003, 02:44 AM

If it was Gold, would it be a MINI Copper coupe?

Dark Silver S · Jun 25th, 2003, 03:13 AM

No, it would have to be copper to be a MINI Cooper Copper Coupe. If it was gold, it would be gold.

Dark Silver S · Jun 25th, 2003, 03:18 AM

And the place you would drive it would be...

A MINI Cooper Copper Coupe Course.

And, of course, if you showed it, you would be at a...

MINI Cooper Copper Coupe ConCourse.

[Dark Silver needs to get out more.]

RedUn · Jun 25th, 2003, 04:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BRGreenie
Problem is how com Peugeot ( 206 180 ) and Renault (Clio supersport ) can get great rear suspension PLUS romm in the back?

Do these car's handle as well?? I seem to doubt it??

Whats it matter if there's no room in the back you drive from the front

BRGreenie · Jun 25th, 2003, 04:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by NewOne
.Also it was originally designed to have a sloping rear roof.

That explains it - sloping rear roof = Coupe

Or if a Gold MC was owned by a policeman on a track day who drives into the woods ...

Wait for it...

Coppera Copper Cooper Coupe Cops out in Copse

AGGHH Enough!

BRGreenie · Jun 25th, 2003, 04:19 AM

make that
Coppers Copper Cooper Coupe Cops out in Copse

RedUn · Jun 25th, 2003, 04:21 AM

Redun gets headache and falls on floor!!

KlausR · Jun 25th, 2003, 04:25 AM

A quite important factor among the coupe category are the frameless windows! I love to open the slim doors with the windows down which supports the coupe impression and also gives an entry help in narrow parking lots.

Klaus

red1 · Jun 25th, 2003, 04:27 AM

Mini is Mini,dont know if it can be pigdeon holed as a class of car?,i would agree that its more of a 2+2 instead of a full 4 seater,dont know about you ,but with the warm dry roads dont you find it very chuckable on the twisty roads :-)

Red & White Cooper 2 · Jun 25th, 2003, 05:05 AM

I think in many ways the Mini is indeed a "coupe". The emphasis is on style and sportiness over function. As NewOne says, BMWs original design was a coupe with a sloping roof. The Rover team fought to make it a more conventional car with more rear space.

Z1GZAG N · Jun 25th, 2003, 05:22 AM

Why all the crying about the Mini on this site? If you wanted a car to haul four 6' 6" gorillas and a months worth of luggage, why did you buy it? Coupe, Sedan Hatchback? Who cares? I didn't buy my MCS to use car pooling, else wise I'd bought a D@mn bus! The wife and I fit in fine and if at some point someone else has to ride along, getting in and finding room for their legs will be their problem. Also, if I wanted room for the royals lugage, I'd bought a van. As it is, I got exactly what I was shopping for. No buddy twisted my arm to buy a Mini. As to why the Peugeot ( 206 180 ) and Renault (Clio supersport )can have more room, WHO cares?

BartMack · Jun 25th, 2003, 06:20 AM

Cripes! Cringing at cranky couple complaining....contemplating copper colored Cooper Coupes convening in California for a classic car convention.......

BRGreenie · Jun 25th, 2003, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rlvette
WHO cares?

Hey Rivette - my point exactly - I ain't complaining about legspace.

It does cheese me off when Journos start off by carping on about no rear room in MINI - when they overlook that in an Audi TT cos the TT is a coupe and thats understandable.

MINI is a roomy coupe - no problem

Jun 24th, 2003, 02:33 PM	#1
BRGreenie Warning! Armed with Volvo Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: SW London Local Time: 02:54 AM Posts: 1,244 Offline	It's Simple - MINI is a coupe I read a summary of MINI the other day and the journo pointed out something I never thought of before which made sense to me and explains why MINI is what it is.. They said that because of the sheer size of the advanced rear suspension that is bolted to the back of a MINI the space in the rear is severely restricted. Restricted that is compared to a 'normal' hatchback - so MINI looses points in roadtests for the lack of rear passenger space and the teeny boot. However if you think of a MINI as a coupe like an Audi TT that has had a replica classic Mini rear welded on to give that classic Mini profile then you can appreciate it in it's true light - ie a coupe without a fastback. Thats how I see it - MINI is a 2+2 coupe - but that suits me with 2 small children a 'true' sports car like a Mazda MX5/Miata or Lotus Elise would be out of the question. So with MINI I get a sports car with two extra seats - brilliant! Problem is how com Peugeot ( 206 180 ) and Renault (Clio supersport ) can get great rear suspension PLUS romm in the back?

Jun 24th, 2003, 06:00 PM	#2 (permalink)
Minty Man in the know! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Coventry/Warwick Local Time: 02:54 AM Posts: 4,005 Offline	MINI is classed as a coupe on the BMW systems E-Mail Me \| Minty - Reaches parts other people can't.

Jun 24th, 2003, 09:34 PM	#3 (permalink)
BRGreenie Warning! Armed with Volvo Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: SW London Local Time: 02:54 AM Posts: 1,244 Offline	Well thats two things I've learned today BRGreenie ... --- ...

Jun 24th, 2003, 11:11 PM	#5 (permalink)
5280Motoring 12th Floor Cube Dweller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Phantom Zone Local Time: 06:54 PM Posts: 248 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Yank So then...it would be a MINI Couper??? And here I was thinking it was a Coop. Visit the Pool Cleaners from Distant Planets Izzy is an '03 MCS, with PP, CWP. It's BRG on BRG. I know, BFD.

Jun 25th, 2003, 12:47 AM	#6 (permalink)
Dark Silver S Ultimate Stealth Machine Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Wilkes County NC Local Time: 07:54 PM Posts: 798 Offline	I believe it would be called a MINI Cooper Couper. Got to give the nod to John, you know. Or, maybe if you fancy the other side of the Channel, it would be a ... MINI Cooper Cou-pay. Dark Silver S http://revorg.org/images/mmg.gif Now in Wilkes County NC

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Jun 24th, 2003, 09:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
Yank MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Yankelsbourg Local Time: 09:54 PM Posts: 195 Offline	So then...it would be a MINI Couper???

Jun 25th, 2003, 02:01 AM	#7 (permalink)
NewOne MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: ESSEX Local Time: 01:54 AM Posts: 30 Offline	regarding your comment re the Peugeot and Renault. The reason they get more space is the fact that their driving position is compromised due to the fact the front seats are mounted higher in the front to allow the rear seat passengers more space. If youve ever driven either of these( I have both) then you'll realise they both have awful driving positions,and limited head room compared to the mini. The mini was designed from the outset to have the same driving position as the BMW 3 series and therefore the rear seats were of secondary importance.Also it was originally designed to have a sloping rear roof. Read the book by Peter Robinson (I think).

Jun 25th, 2003, 02:44 AM	#8 (permalink)
RayC MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West London Local Time: 02:54 AM Posts: 46 Offline	If it was Gold, would it be a MINI Copper coupe?

Jun 25th, 2003, 03:13 AM	#9 (permalink)
Dark Silver S Ultimate Stealth Machine Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Wilkes County NC Local Time: 07:54 PM Posts: 798 Offline	No, it would have to be copper to be a MINI Cooper Copper Coupe. If it was gold, it would be gold. Dark Silver S http://revorg.org/images/mmg.gif Now in Wilkes County NC

Jun 25th, 2003, 03:18 AM	#10 (permalink)
Dark Silver S Ultimate Stealth Machine Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Wilkes County NC Local Time: 07:54 PM Posts: 798 Offline	And the place you would drive it would be... A MINI Cooper Copper Coupe Course. And, of course, if you showed it, you would be at a... MINI Cooper Copper Coupe ConCourse. [Dark Silver needs to get out more.] Dark Silver S http://revorg.org/images/mmg.gif Now in Wilkes County NC

Jun 25th, 2003, 04:13 AM	#11 (permalink)
RedUn MUGEN POWER Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: s2ki.com Local Time: 02:54 AM Posts: 11,615 Offline	Re: It's Simple - MINI is a coupe Quote: Originally posted by BRGreenie Problem is how com Peugeot ( 206 180 ) and Renault (Clio supersport ) can get great rear suspension PLUS romm in the back? Do these car's handle as well?? I seem to doubt it?? Whats it matter if there's no room in the back you drive from the front

Jun 25th, 2003, 04:18 AM	#12 (permalink)
BRGreenie Warning! Armed with Volvo Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: SW London Local Time: 02:54 AM Posts: 1,244 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by NewOne .Also it was originally designed to have a sloping rear roof. That explains it - sloping rear roof = Coupe Or if a Gold MC was owned by a policeman on a track day who drives into the woods ... Wait for it... Coppera Copper Cooper Coupe Cops out in Copse AGGHH Enough!

Jun 25th, 2003, 04:19 AM	#13 (permalink)
BRGreenie Warning! Armed with Volvo Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: SW London Local Time: 02:54 AM Posts: 1,244 Offline	make that Coppers Copper Cooper Coupe Cops out in Copse BRGreenie ... --- ...

Jun 25th, 2003, 04:21 AM	#14 (permalink)
RedUn MUGEN POWER Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: s2ki.com Local Time: 02:54 AM Posts: 11,615 Offline	Redun gets headache and falls on floor!!

Jun 25th, 2003, 04:25 AM	#15 (permalink)
KlausR MINI2 Senior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Germany (NRW) Local Time: 03:54 AM Posts: 507 Offline	A quite important factor among the coupe category are the frameless windows! I love to open the slim doors with the windows down which supports the coupe impression and also gives an entry help in narrow parking lots. Klaus Don´t bother me with: Vans, SUVs and Grandpatronic

Jun 25th, 2003, 04:27 AM	#16 (permalink)
red1 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Biddulph Local Time: 01:54 AM Posts: 52 Offline	Mini is Mini,dont know if it can be pigdeon holed as a class of car?,i would agree that its more of a 2+2 instead of a full 4 seater,dont know about you ,but with the warm dry roads dont you find it very chuckable on the twisty roads :-) Mighty Mini one,the only one

Jun 25th, 2003, 05:05 AM	#17 (permalink)
Red & White Cooper 2 MINI2 Senior Join Date: Dec 2001 Local Time: 01:54 AM Posts: 372 Offline	I think in many ways the Mini is indeed a "coupe". The emphasis is on style and sportiness over function. As NewOne says, BMWs original design was a coupe with a sloping roof. The Rover team fought to make it a more conventional car with more rear space.

Jun 25th, 2003, 05:22 AM	#18 (permalink)
Z1GZAG N MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2003 Location: Hurricane Alley, FL Local Time: 08:54 PM Posts: 1,434 Offline	Why all the crying about the Mini on this site? If you wanted a car to haul four 6' 6" gorillas and a months worth of luggage, why did you buy it? Coupe, Sedan Hatchback? Who cares? I didn't buy my MCS to use car pooling, else wise I'd bought a D@mn bus! The wife and I fit in fine and if at some point someone else has to ride along, getting in and finding room for their legs will be their problem. Also, if I wanted room for the royals lugage, I'd bought a van. As it is, I got exactly what I was shopping for. No buddy twisted my arm to buy a Mini. As to why the Peugeot ( 206 180 ) and Renault (Clio supersport )can have more room, WHO cares?

Jun 25th, 2003, 06:20 AM	#19 (permalink)
BartMack #1647 of 1960 Join Date: May 2003 Location: RS60ville Local Time: 09:54 PM Posts: 3,383 Offline	Cripes! Cringing at cranky couple complaining....contemplating copper colored Cooper Coupes convening in California for a classic car convention.......

Jun 25th, 2003, 03:00 PM	#20 (permalink)
BRGreenie Warning! Armed with Volvo Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: SW London Local Time: 02:54 AM Posts: 1,244 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by rlvette WHO cares? Hey Rivette - my point exactly - I ain't complaining about legspace. It does cheese me off when Journos start off by carping on about no rear room in MINI - when they overlook that in an Audi TT cos the TT is a coupe and thats understandable. MINI is a roomy coupe - no problem

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