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Fred Seiss · Jul 22nd, 2003, 02:07 AM

Just about to take the plunge and buy my mini. Want to get the CVT for the wife. I used to have an old renault w/automatic transmission. It was junk. Sort of scared to buy a european automatic. Are my fears unfounded or should I go with the five speed?

Sejanus · Jul 22nd, 2003, 06:46 AM

It isn't an automatic, at least not exactly. Take a look at some of the CVT threads here on MINI2 to get an idea about what it can do and then test drive both versions. And when you test drive the CVT really play around with its different modes. If you really like manual transmissions the CVT may not be for you, but a fair number of us really like it and personally I think it's a great compromise between the convenience of an automatic and the fun of a manual.

jsteine2 · Jul 22nd, 2003, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fred Seiss
Just about to take the plunge and buy my mini. Want to get the CVT for the wife. ...Sort of scared to buy a european automatic. Are my fears unfounded or should I go with the five speed?

I bought the CVT for the wife... she has a bum left knee and no way can she drive the stick. It is a fabulous transmission. You will love it as well. The wife is an easy driver and would never think to use the manual mode. I, on the other hand, use it whenever I drive the car, whenever she lets me drive it. She regularly gets 31 or 32 mpg. Most of theose miles ar breezeway, but she drives around too. her daily trip to/from work is 50 miles.

nonsequitur · Jul 22nd, 2003, 08:35 PM

The suggestion from Sejanus is a good one. I've found the opinion and assistance to be excellent from the people on MINI2. Pose some specific questions here after looking at the "CVT" threads, and we'll put up some opinioned answers!

I've thoroughly enjoyed the Cooper CVT after spending the rest of my life in manuals, but the selection of manual or manual/automatic (CVT) is a choice you should make for specific personal reasons.

AC2451 · Jul 24th, 2003, 02:50 PM

Hi! I think no one should really buy the CVT MINI unless they just want a good looking car that from A to B without needing the fun.

I had one for my wife without any previous research and now I feel so sorry for having one. It's jerky, it's vibrate at idle in drive, it's very slow from standstill, In total. its the worse autos I have driven!!

I am thinking of changing it to a manual one, may be an S!!

jsteine2 · Jul 24th, 2003, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AC2451

I had one for my wife without any previous research and now I feel so sorry for having one. It's jerky, it's vibrate at idle in drive, it's very slow from standstill, In total. its the worse autos I have driven!!

I am thinking of changing it to a manual one, may be an S!!

This has not been our experience.
We do not experience "vibrations" or the jerky feeling, however, in the standard automatic mode it is not what one could call fast. This is fine with my wife. Being thrifty, speed and quickness is not a part of her vocabulary. That said, when I drive it, I use the standard mode for the first three gears as I find that gives considerable more get up and go (and fun). Will it compete with a five speed or an S... no. Is it still fun to drive, you betcha! Would I buy one for myself? No. But I don't have a bum left knee. Is it the worst car I've ever driven? No. You must drive better cars than I do... heh heh...

nonsequitur · Jul 24th, 2003, 06:04 PM

I love this stuff. This is great commentary on auto industry marketing, and the comments prove to me why cars continue to be sold at high margins.

These decisions we make are a personal deal; as much about ego, self image, and personal expectations as about solid researched facts or Objective Testing.

The MINI driving experience is so very interesting because if you are in the correct "space", they outperform many many other very spectacular cars. I thought the Road&Track tests were a superb recent example of this position.

None of the MINI models are really "Fast", but all of the models (One, One D, Cooper, Cooper CVT, and Cooper S) are [very] "Quick" on the street or track!

The unfortunate reactions from AC2451 are "expectations not met" by the CVT version of the MINI brand he obviously likes, versus an objective performance review of the cars. I'm sorry this happened to him because in the right hands and in the right situation, he has the current best car on the planet. I hope careful test drives of the Cooper and Cooper S give him a better choice.

In terms of fun, I'm not sure I've ever had a better fun experience in any car, but then the auto world turns on our differences doesn't it?

AC2451 · Jul 24th, 2003, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jsteine2
This has not been our experience.
We do not experience "vibrations" or the jerky feeling, however, in the standard automatic mode it is not what one could call fast. This is fine with my wife. Being thrifty, speed and quickness is not a part of her vocabulary. That said, when I drive it, I use the standard mode for the first three gears as I find that gives considerable more get up and go (and fun). Will it compete with a five speed or an S... no. Is it still fun to drive, you betcha! Would I buy one for myself? No. But I don't have a bum left knee. Is it the worst car I've ever driven? No. You must drive better cars than I do... heh heh...

Well, may be there is something wrong with our Mini's CVT box, need to get it checked by the dealer then.
Actually, I am not saying the car is bad, just the CVT. the car is actually the best handling car I have ever driven with modest 175/15 tyres.
Anyway, let's enjoy the most desirable car.
Just watched a programme on TV about a dad who bought probably the most expensive Mini Cooper in the country at GBP45,000.00.
It has 3 TV moniters, surround sound, PS2, fridge, DVDs..........I wonder if any fellow Mini owners here have a similar high spec Mini. It will be intresting to know!!

jsteine2 · Jul 24th, 2003, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AC2451
Well, may be there is something wrong with our Mini's CVT box, need to get it checked by the dealer then.
Actually, I am not saying the car is bad, just the CVT. the car is actually the best handling car I have ever driven with modest 175/15 tyres.
Anyway, let's enjoy the most desirable car.

It has 3 TV moniters, surround sound, PS2, fridge, DVDs..........I wonder if any fellow Mini owners here have a similar high spec Mini. It will be intresting to know!!

Where would they put it all?

And the CVT... i've noticed it really doesn't hit acceleration till about 3500/4000 rpm, then it wants to scream. Seriously, if it won't move then, you may have something wrong with it. It should really be faster(?) with the smaller tires... we're running the 17" with performance, lots of extra weight.

Enjoy.

John

cooper4us · Jul 25th, 2003, 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AC2451
Hi! I think no one should really buy the CVT MINI unless they just want a good looking car that from A to B without needing the fun.

I had one for my wife without any previous research and now I feel so sorry for having one. It's jerky, it's vibrate at idle in drive, it's very slow from standstill, In total. its the worse autos I have driven!!

I am thinking of changing it to a manual one, may be an S!!

Hey buddy, you know what you need? Please close attention to what I am about to say........

YOU NEED SOFTWARE UPDATE VERSION 33.2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GOT THAT?

Once you get it come back to us and see if you are goin to still be trashing your CVT.

Ours has been SMOOOOOOOTH as SILK!

AC2451 · Jul 25th, 2003, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cooper4us
Hey buddy, you know what you need? Please close attention to what I am about to say........

YOU NEED SOFTWARE UPDATE VERSION 33.2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GOT THAT?

Once you get it come back to us and see if you are goin to still be trashing your CVT.

Ours has been SMOOOOOOOTH as SILK!

Sorry, I don't get it?

What is version 33.2!!!

Please explain if you don't mind.

Thanks!!

cooper4us · Jul 25th, 2003, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AC2451
Sorry, I don't get it?

What is version 33.2!!!

Please explain if you don't mind.

Thanks!!

Is the latest version of the engine management computer controlling software. It fixes many issues with the Cooper CVT, including your rough idle problem. I would suggest for you to call your MINI dealer and setup an appt for them to download this version into your car. I am sure your car is not up to date with this software.

Good luck.

MINIRANDOLPH · Jul 26th, 2003, 10:44 AM

Have no complaints about my cvt.Unless you are a real racing enthusiast the cvt is more than adequate. I,ts fun experimenting with the 3 different driving modes.

AC2451 · Jul 26th, 2003, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cooper4us
Is the latest version of the engine management computer controlling software. It fixes many issues with the Cooper CVT, including your rough idle problem. I would suggest for you to call your MINI dealer and setup an appt for them to download this version into your car. I am sure your car is not up to date with this software.

Good luck.

Thanks! I am seeing my dealer on the 30/7/03, if I tell them to upgrade the software to V33.2, will they understand?

How did you hear from this upgrade? Please give me as much information as possible so that I can take this up with the dealer. Then I won't need to change the car!!

If the dealer refuse to do anything, any aftermarket tunner can do this?

I am sorry to ask so much, but I really want to sort this out ASAP.

Thanks again.

Spy Car · Jul 26th, 2003, 11:06 PM

Get the 5 speed...why give up the fun of meshing your own gears? You will give up performance, burn more gas, and have less fun with a CVT.

cooper4us · Jul 27th, 2003, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Spy Car
Get the 5 speed...why give up the fun of meshing your own gears? You will give up performance, burn more gas, and have less fun with a CVT.

Actually if I had to have a stick shift MINI (Which obviously I am going for it) I would go for the S, because I honestly did not care for the standard Midland made 5-speed box in the regular Cooper. That tranny has pretty questionnable long term reliability to say the least.

The CVT is a fun, fun car and yes I have never have this much fun in an "Automatic" car, but then again the CVT is not your daddy's hydraullically operated slushbox.

The CVT properly driven and with good skill is a deceptively fast car.

Hey Spycar. whenever you come down to Florida, give me a buzz and I'll show you how a CVT is properly driven and how much fun it can be.

BTW, have you driven one in Sport or Steptronic modes?

Spy Car · Jul 27th, 2003, 05:17 PM

Cooper4us does have a point about the 5 speed in the Cooper. The Cooper would be a far more attractive choice if (when) MINI gives it a Getrag transmission instead of the Midland transmission. This was the main factor (more than the increased power from the supercharger) in my buying an S.

Still I think I'd feel better about the reliability of a "less than great manual" than I would with a technologically complicated and relatively unproven CVT. What happens if one of these breaks? Yikes!

Hey cooper4us, I get near Florida and I'll let you take me for the ride of my life

Although it will be hard to top yesterdays canyon run with a bunch of MINIs through the hills behind Malibu yesterday. Woo Hoo! That was fun!

Rainbow-Walker · Jul 27th, 2003, 07:15 PM

My Wife has just taken delivery of her CVT Cooper, and she LOVES it. She had a manual before, but wanted an automatic (I realise some people may not understand this). Get a test drive in one, its much smoother than most automatics I have driven.

I have always driven everywhere when we go out, now my wife grabs the keys first and wants to drive all the time.

If you want an automatic, get the Mini CVT, you wont be disappointed. There were some initial issues relating to the software version - but these appear to have been addressed now, so if you buy a new one, you will get the latest software.

And before anyone states the obvious, yes I KNOW it will use a little more juice, and I KNOW that performance on paper will be a little down on a manual cooper (but I could argue this in normal driving conditions). Thats the beauty of choice..... you do what is right for YOU !

Jul 22nd, 2003, 02:07 AM	#1
Fred Seiss MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2003 Local Time: 07:20 PM Posts: 1 Offline	CVT vs 5 speed transmission Just about to take the plunge and buy my mini. Want to get the CVT for the wife. I used to have an old renault w/automatic transmission. It was junk. Sort of scared to buy a european automatic. Are my fears unfounded or should I go with the five speed?

Jul 22nd, 2003, 03:40 PM	#3 (permalink)
jsteine2 How well, not how much. Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Local Time: 06:20 PM Posts: 246 Offline	Re: CVT vs 5 speed transmission Quote: Originally posted by Fred Seiss Just about to take the plunge and buy my mini. Want to get the CVT for the wife. ...Sort of scared to buy a european automatic. Are my fears unfounded or should I go with the five speed? I bought the CVT for the wife... she has a bum left knee and no way can she drive the stick. It is a fabulous transmission. You will love it as well. The wife is an easy driver and would never think to use the manual mode. I, on the other hand, use it whenever I drive the car, whenever she lets me drive it. She regularly gets 31 or 32 mpg. Most of theose miles ar breezeway, but she drives around too. her daily trip to/from work is 50 miles. Hers: '02 LY/white, CVT ...... His: '04 BRG/white In order to possess what you do not possess You must go by the way of dispossession. In order to arrive at what you are not You must go through the way in which you are not. (T.S. Eliot, East Coker III)

Jul 22nd, 2003, 08:35 PM	#4 (permalink)
nonsequitur Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Seattle area, WA Local Time: 04:20 PM Posts: 1,466 Offline	The suggestion from Sejanus is a good one. I've found the opinion and assistance to be excellent from the people on MINI2. Pose some specific questions here after looking at the "CVT" threads, and we'll put up some opinioned answers! I've thoroughly enjoyed the Cooper CVT after spending the rest of my life in manuals, but the selection of manual or manual/automatic (CVT) is a choice you should make for specific personal reasons. '02 MINI Cooper CVT (prod. date: 6/12/2002; Indi Blue/Black roof, R-81 7-hole 15x5.5" or NZO 16x6.5") '67 Austin Cooper S 1275 Mk1 (build date: 6/26/1967; Tartan Red/Black Roof, Minilite 10x4.5" or 10x6.0")

Jul 24th, 2003, 03:29 PM	#6 (permalink)
jsteine2 How well, not how much. Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Local Time: 06:20 PM Posts: 246 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by AC2451 I had one for my wife without any previous research and now I feel so sorry for having one. It's jerky, it's vibrate at idle in drive, it's very slow from standstill, In total. its the worse autos I have driven!! I am thinking of changing it to a manual one, may be an S!! This has not been our experience. We do not experience "vibrations" or the jerky feeling, however, in the standard automatic mode it is not what one could call fast. This is fine with my wife. Being thrifty, speed and quickness is not a part of her vocabulary. That said, when I drive it, I use the standard mode for the first three gears as I find that gives considerable more get up and go (and fun). Will it compete with a five speed or an S... no. Is it still fun to drive, you betcha! Would I buy one for myself? No. But I don't have a bum left knee. Is it the worst car I've ever driven? No. You must drive better cars than I do... heh heh... Hers: '02 LY/white, CVT ...... His: '04 BRG/white In order to possess what you do not possess You must go by the way of dispossession. In order to arrive at what you are not You must go through the way in which you are not. (T.S. Eliot, East Coker III)

Jul 24th, 2003, 06:04 PM	#7 (permalink)
nonsequitur Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Seattle area, WA Local Time: 04:20 PM Posts: 1,466 Offline	I love this stuff. This is great commentary on auto industry marketing, and the comments prove to me why cars continue to be sold at high margins. These decisions we make are a personal deal; as much about ego, self image, and personal expectations as about solid researched facts or Objective Testing. The MINI driving experience is so very interesting because if you are in the correct "space", they outperform many many other very spectacular cars. I thought the Road&Track tests were a superb recent example of this position. None of the MINI models are really "Fast", but all of the models (One, One D, Cooper, Cooper CVT, and Cooper S) are [very] "Quick" on the street or track! The unfortunate reactions from AC2451 are "expectations not met" by the CVT version of the MINI brand he obviously likes, versus an objective performance review of the cars. I'm sorry this happened to him because in the right hands and in the right situation, he has the current best car on the planet. I hope careful test drives of the Cooper and Cooper S give him a better choice. In terms of fun, I'm not sure I've ever had a better fun experience in any car, but then the auto world turns on our differences doesn't it? '02 MINI Cooper CVT (prod. date: 6/12/2002; Indi Blue/Black roof, R-81 7-hole 15x5.5" or NZO 16x6.5") '67 Austin Cooper S 1275 Mk1 (build date: 6/26/1967; Tartan Red/Black Roof, Minilite 10x4.5" or 10x6.0")

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Jul 22nd, 2003, 06:46 AM	#2 (permalink)
Sejanus Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: West Sacramento Local Time: 04:20 PM Posts: 4,231 Offline	It isn't an automatic, at least not exactly. Take a look at some of the CVT threads here on MINI2 to get an idea about what it can do and then test drive both versions. And when you test drive the CVT really play around with its different modes. If you really like manual transmissions the CVT may not be for you, but a fair number of us really like it and personally I think it's a great compromise between the convenience of an automatic and the fun of a manual.

Jul 24th, 2003, 02:50 PM	#5 (permalink)
AC2451 MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: London Local Time: 11:20 PM Posts: 4 Offline	Hi! I think no one should really buy the CVT MINI unless they just want a good looking car that from A to B without needing the fun. I had one for my wife without any previous research and now I feel so sorry for having one. It's jerky, it's vibrate at idle in drive, it's very slow from standstill, In total. its the worse autos I have driven!! I am thinking of changing it to a manual one, may be an S!!

Jul 24th, 2003, 10:52 PM	#8 (permalink)
AC2451 MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: London Local Time: 11:20 PM Posts: 4 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by jsteine2 This has not been our experience. We do not experience "vibrations" or the jerky feeling, however, in the standard automatic mode it is not what one could call fast. This is fine with my wife. Being thrifty, speed and quickness is not a part of her vocabulary. That said, when I drive it, I use the standard mode for the first three gears as I find that gives considerable more get up and go (and fun). Will it compete with a five speed or an S... no. Is it still fun to drive, you betcha! Would I buy one for myself? No. But I don't have a bum left knee. Is it the worst car I've ever driven? No. You must drive better cars than I do... heh heh... Well, may be there is something wrong with our Mini's CVT box, need to get it checked by the dealer then. Actually, I am not saying the car is bad, just the CVT. the car is actually the best handling car I have ever driven with modest 175/15 tyres. Anyway, let's enjoy the most desirable car. Just watched a programme on TV about a dad who bought probably the most expensive Mini Cooper in the country at GBP45,000.00. It has 3 TV moniters, surround sound, PS2, fridge, DVDs..........I wonder if any fellow Mini owners here have a similar high spec Mini. It will be intresting to know!!

Jul 24th, 2003, 11:47 PM	#9 (permalink)
jsteine2 How well, not how much. Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Local Time: 06:20 PM Posts: 246 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by AC2451 Well, may be there is something wrong with our Mini's CVT box, need to get it checked by the dealer then. Actually, I am not saying the car is bad, just the CVT. the car is actually the best handling car I have ever driven with modest 175/15 tyres. Anyway, let's enjoy the most desirable car. It has 3 TV moniters, surround sound, PS2, fridge, DVDs..........I wonder if any fellow Mini owners here have a similar high spec Mini. It will be intresting to know!! Where would they put it all? And the CVT... i've noticed it really doesn't hit acceleration till about 3500/4000 rpm, then it wants to scream. Seriously, if it won't move then, you may have something wrong with it. It should really be faster(?) with the smaller tires... we're running the 17" with performance, lots of extra weight. Enjoy. John Hers: '02 LY/white, CVT ...... His: '04 BRG/white In order to possess what you do not possess You must go by the way of dispossession. In order to arrive at what you are not You must go through the way in which you are not. (T.S. Eliot, East Coker III)

Jul 25th, 2003, 04:39 AM	#10 (permalink)
cooper4us MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Local Time: 06:20 PM Posts: 1,423 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by AC2451 Hi! I think no one should really buy the CVT MINI unless they just want a good looking car that from A to B without needing the fun. I had one for my wife without any previous research and now I feel so sorry for having one. It's jerky, it's vibrate at idle in drive, it's very slow from standstill, In total. its the worse autos I have driven!! I am thinking of changing it to a manual one, may be an S!! Hey buddy, you know what you need? Please close attention to what I am about to say........ YOU NEED SOFTWARE UPDATE VERSION 33.2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOT THAT? Once you get it come back to us and see if you are goin to still be trashing your CVT. Ours has been SMOOOOOOOTH as SILK! '02 MINI Cooper CVT On Order: 2004 MCS (Est production date: 9/5/03)

Jul 25th, 2003, 09:33 AM	#11 (permalink)
AC2451 MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: London Local Time: 11:20 PM Posts: 4 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by cooper4us Hey buddy, you know what you need? Please close attention to what I am about to say........ YOU NEED SOFTWARE UPDATE VERSION 33.2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOT THAT? Once you get it come back to us and see if you are goin to still be trashing your CVT. Ours has been SMOOOOOOOTH as SILK! Sorry, I don't get it? What is version 33.2!!! Please explain if you don't mind. Thanks!!

Jul 25th, 2003, 03:16 PM	#12 (permalink)
cooper4us MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Local Time: 06:20 PM Posts: 1,423 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by AC2451 Sorry, I don't get it? What is version 33.2!!! Please explain if you don't mind. Thanks!! Is the latest version of the engine management computer controlling software. It fixes many issues with the Cooper CVT, including your rough idle problem. I would suggest for you to call your MINI dealer and setup an appt for them to download this version into your car. I am sure your car is not up to date with this software. Good luck. '02 MINI Cooper CVT On Order: 2004 MCS (Est production date: 9/5/03)

Jul 26th, 2003, 10:44 AM	#13 (permalink)
MINIRANDOLPH MINI2 Senior Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: randolph,ma Local Time: 07:20 PM Posts: 476 Offline	Have no complaints about my cvt.Unless you are a real racing enthusiast the cvt is more than adequate. I,ts fun experimenting with the 3 different driving modes.

Jul 26th, 2003, 12:06 PM	#14 (permalink)
AC2451 MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: London Local Time: 11:20 PM Posts: 4 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by cooper4us Is the latest version of the engine management computer controlling software. It fixes many issues with the Cooper CVT, including your rough idle problem. I would suggest for you to call your MINI dealer and setup an appt for them to download this version into your car. I am sure your car is not up to date with this software. Good luck. Thanks! I am seeing my dealer on the 30/7/03, if I tell them to upgrade the software to V33.2, will they understand? How did you hear from this upgrade? Please give me as much information as possible so that I can take this up with the dealer. Then I won't need to change the car!! If the dealer refuse to do anything, any aftermarket tunner can do this? I am sorry to ask so much, but I really want to sort this out ASAP. Thanks again.

Jul 26th, 2003, 11:06 PM	#15 (permalink)
Spy Car I miss Ruthie Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: City of the Angels Local Time: 04:20 PM Posts: 6,359 Offline	Get the 5 speed...why give up the fun of meshing your own gears? You will give up performance, burn more gas, and have less fun with a CVT.

Jul 27th, 2003, 01:31 PM	#16 (permalink)
cooper4us MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Local Time: 06:20 PM Posts: 1,423 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Spy Car Get the 5 speed...why give up the fun of meshing your own gears? You will give up performance, burn more gas, and have less fun with a CVT. Actually if I had to have a stick shift MINI (Which obviously I am going for it) I would go for the S, because I honestly did not care for the standard Midland made 5-speed box in the regular Cooper. That tranny has pretty questionnable long term reliability to say the least. The CVT is a fun, fun car and yes I have never have this much fun in an "Automatic" car, but then again the CVT is not your daddy's hydraullically operated slushbox. The CVT properly driven and with good skill is a deceptively fast car. Hey Spycar. whenever you come down to Florida, give me a buzz and I'll show you how a CVT is properly driven and how much fun it can be. BTW, have you driven one in Sport or Steptronic modes? '02 MINI Cooper CVT On Order: 2004 MCS (Est production date: 9/5/03)

Jul 27th, 2003, 05:17 PM	#17 (permalink)
Spy Car I miss Ruthie Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: City of the Angels Local Time: 04:20 PM Posts: 6,359 Offline	Cooper4us does have a point about the 5 speed in the Cooper. The Cooper would be a far more attractive choice if (when) MINI gives it a Getrag transmission instead of the Midland transmission. This was the main factor (more than the increased power from the supercharger) in my buying an S. Still I think I'd feel better about the reliability of a "less than great manual" than I would with a technologically complicated and relatively unproven CVT. What happens if one of these breaks? Yikes! Hey cooper4us, I get near Florida and I'll let you take me for the ride of my life Although it will be hard to top yesterdays canyon run with a bunch of MINIs through the hills behind Malibu yesterday. Woo Hoo! That was fun!

Jul 27th, 2003, 07:15 PM	#18 (permalink)
Rainbow-Walker MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2003 Location: Nottingham Local Time: 12:20 AM Posts: 182 Offline	My Wife has just taken delivery of her CVT Cooper, and she LOVES it. She had a manual before, but wanted an automatic (I realise some people may not understand this). Get a test drive in one, its much smoother than most automatics I have driven. I have always driven everywhere when we go out, now my wife grabs the keys first and wants to drive all the time. If you want an automatic, get the Mini CVT, you wont be disappointed. There were some initial issues relating to the software version - but these appear to have been addressed now, so if you buy a new one, you will get the latest software. And before anyone states the obvious, yes I KNOW it will use a little more juice, and I KNOW that performance on paper will be a little down on a manual cooper (but I could argue this in normal driving conditions). Thats the beauty of choice..... you do what is right for YOU !

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