[goin440]

I enjoy reading MiniWorld, and understand how the old Mini graces more pages than the MINI. In fact, I enjoy reading about the old Mini, hence the reason I bought July 2003 issue from a bookstore.

MiniWorld has so far been pretty good about staying out of the old vs. new conflict, I applaud their effort. Maybe I'm over reacting (very possible). I was flipping through the issue and started reading about dyno results for some classics. Nothing startling... 40hp here, 60hp there, wow 105. But there was one part that bothered me--a picture of a Mini included in this article. Granted, I should probably have expected some shenanigans from the 'miniclassic.co.uk' club, but I figured MiniWorld would police what they put in the magizine more closely--epescially on this sensitive issue.

Your thoughts?

Pics:



These pics don't due the article justice. The magizine pics are clearly visible.

[KJ_daGreenMini]

John Cooper work with BMW to produce warrated kits. This guy obviously doesnt know that, hence why he still has a JC sticker on his window and a sticker slating the BMW mini. I'd say he was inbred, therefor is obvious stupidity, and not worth worrying about.

Also, anyone that looks at his car will know its a classic, by stating the obvious, i'd say he's insecure.

[Paul]

I doubt it's an Austin Cooper either, but hey, what's in a name or a badge?

[Jeep-2-mini]

I'm confused - how can a car designed & built in the UK be considered a "German Copy" - if ownership counted then all Rolls Royces would be german (now owned by Volkswagen) as would that all american symbol, the Jeep (owned by Crysler, which is in term effectivly owned by Mercadies)

Besides after 4 decades, the Mini was due a major re-design, for its day it was revolutionary, now its merely small and cramped

Mark - its a MINI Cooper, not a BMW Mini

[Paul]

Rolls is BMW.

[NED]

...and Bentley is VW, Aston Martin, Land Rover, and Jaguar are Ford.....etc etc.
It's not confined to British marques of course - Lamborghini is owned by Audi, which is also part of the VW group. I bet old Lambo owners don't call the Gallardo a cheap VW copy.....

[dognuts]

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Originally posted by Jeep-2-mini
I'm confused - how can a car designed & built in the UK be considered a "German Copy" - if ownership counted then all Rolls Royces would be german (now owned by Volkswagen) as would that all american symbol, the Jeep (owned by Crysler, which is in term effectivly owned by Mercadies)

Besides after 4 decades, the Mini was due a major re-design, for its day it was revolutionary, now its merely small and cramped

Mark - its a MINI Cooper, not a BMW Mini

sorry if im being pedantic,but isnt the new mini designed by an american?(Frank Stephenson i think)

as for the old mini being "small and cramped" - it seats 4 adults,the new one doesnt.

i really dont know why people get so upset about old mini owners slagging off the new mini,surely you all expected it?

by the way,i currently own a new MCS,im not defending the old mini unnecessarily,but it was and still is a better designed car-even now.

[Bonjour]

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Originally posted by dognuts
...but it was and still is a better designed car-even now.

I don't like arguing, but I have to say I disagree. A car so inherently dangerous as the original Mini can hardly be deemed to be as well designed as a 21st century motor.

[Paul]

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Originally posted by dognuts
as for the old mini being "small and cramped" - it seats 4 adults,the new one doesnt.

Not true, I can fit four people in my MINI more comfortably than my Mini, and that doesn't even have the last generation interior the Mini had with airbags, bigger 'comfier' seats etc, which were laughable for rear passenger space (and front was pretty cramped too). The MINI has much more car to fit them in though.

[goin440]

I'm not questioning the owner's intentions (don't really care), I'm questioning as to how an established magizine could allow this kind of image to pass through (I know.... mistake, its just interesting).

[goin440]

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Originally posted by Paul Mullett
Rolls is BMW.

Also Rolls just laid off a couple hundred employees stateside

[bigbaddaboom]

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Originally posted by dognuts
sorry if im being pedantic,but isnt the new mini designed by an american?(Frank Stephenson i think)

And Sir Alec Issigonis was born in Turkey...

There is no car designed in the 1950s that is as well designed as a modern car like the MINI. For its time, yes, by today's standards, no.

[NewBeetlePaul]

As the owner of both air and water cooled VW Beetles I get somewhat sick of the 'new vs old' argument. There are countless 'knockers' of the new bug and to a large degree they do have a point - engine wrong end/air vs water/being fast

I cant pretend to know too much about the mini/MINI but can see some obvious alterations/improvements although the new one does at least share plenty of the originals qualities.

These people dont really get the point - if VW and BMW had made faithfull replica's of the old car (oh - hang on VW did anyway - it was called a Mexican beetle!) then that would have defeated the object of the exercise which was to built a 'concept car' based on the original idea, not copy it.

I find it galling that someone who drives around in a new updated (is that car in the picture not a fairly recent model with 'new fangled JC bits bolted to it??) can dare to criticise the new car.

The new Mini, like the Beetle has rekindled a new interest in the marque, putting some folk who would never have stepped foot in an old one - and that can only be a good thing!

I'll slip my soapbox back under the bed
Paul www.newbeetle.org.uk

[goin440]

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Originally posted by NewBeetlePaul
As the owner of both air and water cooled VW Beetles I get somewhat sick of the 'new vs old' argument. There are countless 'knockers' of the new bug and to a large degree they do have a point - engine wrong end/air vs water/being fast

I cant pretend to know too much about the mini/MINI but can see some obvious alterations/improvements although the new one does at least share plenty of the originals qualities.

These people dont really get the point - if VW and BMW had made faithfull replica's of the old car (oh - hang on VW did anyway - it was called a Mexican beetle!) then that would have defeated the object of the exercise which was to built a 'concept car' based on the original idea, not copy it.

I find it galling that someone who drives around in a new updated (is that car in the picture not a fairly recent model with 'new fangled JC bits bolted to it??) can dare to criticise the new car.

The new Mini, like the Beetle has rekindled a new interest in the marque, putting some folk who would never have stepped foot in an old one - and that can only be a good thing!

I'll slip my soapbox back under the bed
Paul www.newbeetle.org.uk

I agree.... try to get an old person to use a computer.

[Tonyt3]

I feel sorry for the Guy with the mini in the picture. He's right, the New Mini is a **** copy. That is, as a copy, it's terrible. As a brilliant new car with a few styling hints at an old car, it excellent.

He isn't driving a **** german copy. He's driving a **** British original....

What a sad little man he must be....

[NewBeetlePaul]

I wanted to say it but felt I 'shouldn't'

The original one wasn't too much to write home about after all...

So here's this cheeky buuger driving a British built timebomb, criticising the new BMW built one !

[Mugami]

To sort of defend the Magazine a little. (and i mean a little) Since the statement doesnt state the NEW MINI even though we believe it does. ok knows it does cause were MINI owners. Like most my MINI was BUILT in Oxford, England and to me its considered an English car. Since other are told where there built and not who designed it NON-MINI owners wouldnt know there talking about the MINI with that sticker.

On another note. According to "The New Mini" by Patrick Paternie. The Designer of the Origanal mini was a Turkish gentlemen. With that said then under the same train of thought as with the NEW MINI then the Original mini should be a (fill in the black) Turkey copy?? <-- bet thats going to go over well.

[Hat]

theres just as many of these luddites arguing amongst themsleves over the merits of an austin mini v's a bl mini v's a rover mini. what should we all do - drive austin sevens?

we're just the latest in a long list of new things they don't like - like electric lights, gas fires, clean air & not having rickets

[AprilWhine]

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Originally posted by Hat
theres just as many of these luddites arguing amongst themsleves over the merits of an austin mini v's a bl mini v's a rover mini. what should we all do - drive austin sevens?

we're just the latest in a long list of new things they don't like - like electric lights, gas fires, clean air & not having rickets

Well put!

[Kinster]

I bet the owner still uses a typewriter