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Tone · Aug 7th, 2003, 03:13 PM

....by UK Consumers Association revealed the MINI came approx. 70th out of about 90 models.

Still - one in four Audi TTs break down within twelve months.

Any comments?

Lorri · Aug 7th, 2003, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tone
....by UK Consumers Association revealed the MINI came approx. 70th out of about 90 models.

Still - one in four Audi TTs break down within twelve months.

Any comments?

I would think (hope) that the results for the MINI will improve greatly in the next 12 months
How long has the Audi TT been around?

HarryHBMCC · Aug 7th, 2003, 03:35 PM

Based upon what we see here and elsewhere, this isn't surprising. The MINI is a fun car but it isn't a Toyota, reliability-wise. Hopefully this has improved with the 2003 models but this survey is too old to take more recent cars into account.

cooper4us · Aug 7th, 2003, 04:58 PM

2002 Cooper CVT, 11,500 miles 11 months of ownership, ZERO problems.

RickB · Aug 7th, 2003, 07:28 PM

How is "break down" defined? My MINI has been back to the dealer three or four times for various things, but has never failed to start, stranded me, etc.

pcvillain · Aug 7th, 2003, 07:41 PM

I hate to say it but when it comes to total reliability my MCS has been back to the dealers for warranty work more times than any other new car I or my partners have had ( BMWs, VWs, Toyota, Peugeot and Ford). But it has never broke down and a lot of it seems to be more about quality control than reliabilty.
I'm sure the bods ay Cowley will get it right for when I order my next one.

Dark Silver S · Aug 7th, 2003, 07:45 PM

My guess is that the UK Consumers Association only heard from people who had trouble with their Mini. Those of us who have had nothing go wrong and no problems seldom get asked (although I did get a survey from JD Powers). And we don't have anything to grouse about, so no one hears us.

I've not had ANY problems what-so-ever.

stellablade · Aug 8th, 2003, 10:10 AM

I imagine it was the number of complaints lodged to the Consumer Association? In which case the results seem fair to me. Interesting to see how all the main German manufacturers fell from 'Good' to 'Average' for Reliability. Not surprisingly the Japanese were top.

Quote:

Originally posted by Dark Silver S
My guess is that the UK Consumers Association only heard from people who had trouble with their Mini. Those of us who have had nothing go wrong and no problems seldom get asked (although I did get a survey from JD Powers). And we don't have anything to grouse about, so no one hears us.

I've not had ANY problems what-so-ever.

NewOne · Aug 8th, 2003, 10:21 AM

Have you also noticed that in all these 'surveys'
unreliability is in direct proportion to sales.
E.G Fords and Vauxhalls always do badly but sell by the bucketload??

jsteine2 · Aug 10th, 2003, 11:40 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by HarryIndiBlue

Based upon what we see here and elsewhere, this isn't surprising. The MINI is a fun car but it isn't a Toyota, reliability-wise. Hopefully this has improved with the 2003 models but this survey is too old to take more recent cars into account.

Did you mean ...it isn't a BMW?

just curious...

do you think BMW released the car too early? Could they have figured these quirks out without people actually driving them in real conditions? I wonder... I think that's one of the chances you take when you purchase a new "new" car. I bought mine without concern for these problems... it was worth the risk. I don't regret it for a second!

plugot · Aug 11th, 2003, 12:04 AM

It's possible that BMW had some problems getting the MINI ready at its Oxford plant since it wasn't originally going to produce the car there. In fact the intital design team was essentially replaced more than 2/3 of the way through the development process. The sale/exchange between BMW and Rover ended up with BMW moving production from the Longbridge plant to Oxford. It meant dismantling the original plant and rebuilding it at the second sight. This kind of operation, no matter how smoothly planned, has got to have some effect on final quality control. New car + new design team + new factory = problems.
I too have faith in BMW's engineering and quality and expect a lot of these issues to get worked out with the '04 model run. I hope so anyway, because that's what I'm ordering.

jsteine2 · Aug 11th, 2003, 05:23 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by plugot

I... expect a lot of these issues to get worked out with the '04 model run. I hope so anyway, because that's what I'm ordering.

and me as well. Hope to order in the next several weeks... when I decide on color! They all look so good... and looking at the galleries do not help... I have not seen one I wouldn't put in my driveway!

enjoi!

DITCH · Aug 11th, 2003, 10:26 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by plugot

I...expect a lot of these issues to get worked out with the '04 model run.

That's what people said about the '03 a year ago. My MINI is a drut. YMMV.

Ditch

s_and_m · Aug 11th, 2003, 10:48 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by DITCH

That's what people said about the '03 a year ago. My MINI is a drut. YMMV.

Ditch

My August 02 Cooper has covered 21k miles in 11 months, on the track and on the road. No probs except a cracked screen and a kerbed wheel.

So much more relaible than our TR7 or VW Karmann Ghia or AXGT ever where!

S

Aug 7th, 2003, 03:13 PM	#1
Tone MINI2 Master Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Dorset, U.K. Local Time: 01:27 AM Posts: 5,780 Offline	Reliability Survey ....by UK Consumers Association revealed the MINI came approx. 70th out of about 90 models. Still - one in four Audi TTs break down within twelve months. Any comments? "I get by with a little help from my friends"

Aug 7th, 2003, 03:17 PM	#2 (permalink)
Lorri I can feel it Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sheffield Local Time: 12:27 AM Posts: 11,790 Offline	Re: Reliability Survey Quote: Originally posted by Tone ....by UK Consumers Association revealed the MINI came approx. 70th out of about 90 models. Still - one in four Audi TTs break down within twelve months. Any comments? I would think (hope) that the results for the MINI will improve greatly in the next 12 months How long has the Audi TT been around?

Aug 7th, 2003, 03:35 PM	#3 (permalink)
HarryHBMCC MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Guelph, Ontario, Can Local Time: 07:27 PM Posts: 2,655 Offline	Based upon what we see here and elsewhere, this isn't surprising. The MINI is a fun car but it isn't a Toyota, reliability-wise. Hopefully this has improved with the 2003 models but this survey is too old to take more recent cars into account. MINI Cooper Cabrio: now the car with go cart handling really feels like an open go cart! "... the only man that can come home at 3 am in the morning without getting into trouble with his spouse is the owner of a British sports car!" -- Phil Bailey

Aug 7th, 2003, 04:58 PM	#4 (permalink)
cooper4us MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Local Time: 07:27 PM Posts: 1,423 Offline	2002 Cooper CVT, 11,500 miles 11 months of ownership, ZERO problems. '02 MINI Cooper CVT On Order: 2004 MCS (Est production date: 9/5/03)

Aug 7th, 2003, 07:41 PM	#6 (permalink)
pcvillain MINI2 Regular Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Tamworth,Staffs Local Time: 01:27 AM Posts: 145 Offline	I hate to say it but when it comes to total reliability my MCS has been back to the dealers for warranty work more times than any other new car I or my partners have had ( BMWs, VWs, Toyota, Peugeot and Ford). But it has never broke down and a lot of it seems to be more about quality control than reliabilty. I'm sure the bods ay Cowley will get it right for when I order my next one. PETER Evolve or die

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Aug 7th, 2003, 07:28 PM	#5 (permalink)
RickB MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Local Time: 12:27 AM Posts: 775 Offline	How is "break down" defined? My MINI has been back to the dealer three or four times for various things, but has never failed to start, stranded me, etc.

Aug 7th, 2003, 07:45 PM	#7 (permalink)
Dark Silver S Ultimate Stealth Machine Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Wilkes County NC Local Time: 06:27 PM Posts: 791 Offline	My guess is that the UK Consumers Association only heard from people who had trouble with their Mini. Those of us who have had nothing go wrong and no problems seldom get asked (although I did get a survey from JD Powers). And we don't have anything to grouse about, so no one hears us. I've not had ANY problems what-so-ever. Dark Silver S http://revorg.org/images/mmg.gif Now in Wilkes County NC

Aug 8th, 2003, 10:10 AM	#8 (permalink)
stellablade MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sheffield Local Time: 01:27 AM Posts: 412 Offline	I imagine it was the number of complaints lodged to the Consumer Association? In which case the results seem fair to me. Interesting to see how all the main German manufacturers fell from 'Good' to 'Average' for Reliability. Not surprisingly the Japanese were top. Quote: Originally posted by Dark Silver S My guess is that the UK Consumers Association only heard from people who had trouble with their Mini. Those of us who have had nothing go wrong and no problems seldom get asked (although I did get a survey from JD Powers). And we don't have anything to grouse about, so no one hears us. I've not had ANY problems what-so-ever.

Aug 8th, 2003, 10:21 AM	#9 (permalink)
NewOne MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: ESSEX Local Time: 12:27 AM Posts: 29 Offline	Have you also noticed that in all these 'surveys' unreliability is in direct proportion to sales. E.G Fords and Vauxhalls always do badly but sell by the bucketload??

Aug 10th, 2003, 11:40 PM	#10 (permalink)
jsteine2 How well, not how much. Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Local Time: 08:27 PM Posts: 246 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by HarryIndiBlue Based upon what we see here and elsewhere, this isn't surprising. The MINI is a fun car but it isn't a Toyota, reliability-wise. Hopefully this has improved with the 2003 models but this survey is too old to take more recent cars into account. Did you mean ...it isn't a BMW? just curious... do you think BMW released the car too early? Could they have figured these quirks out without people actually driving them in real conditions? I wonder... I think that's one of the chances you take when you purchase a new "new" car. I bought mine without concern for these problems... it was worth the risk. I don't regret it for a second! Hers: '02 LY/white, CVT ...... His: '04 BRG/white In order to possess what you do not possess You must go by the way of dispossession. In order to arrive at what you are not You must go through the way in which you are not. (T.S. Eliot, East Coker III)

Aug 11th, 2003, 12:04 AM	#11 (permalink)
plugot MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: SoCal Local Time: 05:27 PM Posts: 163 Offline	Not Ready for Primetime? It's possible that BMW had some problems getting the MINI ready at its Oxford plant since it wasn't originally going to produce the car there. In fact the intital design team was essentially replaced more than 2/3 of the way through the development process. The sale/exchange between BMW and Rover ended up with BMW moving production from the Longbridge plant to Oxford. It meant dismantling the original plant and rebuilding it at the second sight. This kind of operation, no matter how smoothly planned, has got to have some effect on final quality control. New car + new design team + new factory = problems. I too have faith in BMW's engineering and quality and expect a lot of these issues to get worked out with the '04 model run. I hope so anyway, because that's what I'm ordering.

Aug 11th, 2003, 05:23 AM	#12 (permalink)
jsteine2 How well, not how much. Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Local Time: 08:27 PM Posts: 246 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by plugot I... expect a lot of these issues to get worked out with the '04 model run. I hope so anyway, because that's what I'm ordering. and me as well. Hope to order in the next several weeks... when I decide on color! They all look so good... and looking at the galleries do not help... I have not seen one I wouldn't put in my driveway! enjoi! Hers: '02 LY/white, CVT ...... His: '04 BRG/white In order to possess what you do not possess You must go by the way of dispossession. In order to arrive at what you are not You must go through the way in which you are not. (T.S. Eliot, East Coker III)

Aug 11th, 2003, 10:26 PM	#13 (permalink)
DITCH MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Titusville, FL<br>'99 Mazda Miata<br>'03 MC Chili Red/White Local Time: 08:27 PM Posts: 187 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by plugot I...expect a lot of these issues to get worked out with the '04 model run. That's what people said about the '03 a year ago. My MINI is a drut. YMMV. Ditch

Aug 11th, 2003, 10:48 PM	#14 (permalink)
s_and_m 220 of your finest horses Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: 6800 rpm Local Time: 01:27 AM Posts: 3,015 Offline	Smug Quote: Originally Posted by DITCH That's what people said about the '03 a year ago. My MINI is a drut. YMMV. Ditch My August 02 Cooper has covered 21k miles in 11 months, on the track and on the road. No probs except a cracked screen and a kerbed wheel. So much more relaible than our TR7 or VW Karmann Ghia or AXGT ever where! S

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