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cmt · Feb 1st, 2002, 06:32 AM

I know how you feel, I was never told I was a Beta tester or payed as a BMW quality assesor.

Currently being passed between BMW and my dealer, still trying for a buy back, I can't really afford to lose £3000 (which I stand to if I sell it) and if I do I will not be coming back to MINI (or at the very least the same dealer). I was hoping to come back when BMW got their act together and started building a better quality/more reliable MINI.

cmt · Feb 1st, 2002, 02:08 PM

so far no luck... apparently BMW cannot tell the dealer to accept your car back (though they have stated they would support the dealer if he decided to do this), or even suggest it. Choose your dealer very carefully! If you have any doubts about your dealers customer relations skills (as I did) in the early days, get out while you can. They say they'll try one more time on Monday and get back to me. I also have the test drive in the Lupo GTi on Monday evening, so one way or the other this whole nightmare should be over by Tuesday morning. I hope you will all accept a Lupo GTi into Club MINI2 when it starts up

When the MINI is reliable and upto the standard that I would like I may consider getting one again. Not from my current dealer though (Williams Bolton , ex Ian Anthony.)

R1 · Feb 1st, 2002, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cmt
I hope you will all accept a Lupo GTi into Club MINI2 when it starts up

As long as we can join the VW GTi club in our MINI's.

Keep pushing for a new MINI. They are getting better! I think you will be pleased with the test in the Lupo GTi, but when the shines gone, it just isn't a MINI!

cmt · Feb 1st, 2002, 02:27 PM

and it probably won't cost me £3000 for 3 months ownership... I'd rather have a fault free, well built (German Build Quality

), fast, drivable car that 'isn't a MINI' and where the dealer doesn't sit atop his tower looking down on the lowly MINI owner who can 'only spend £13000'. Fair enough, they aren't all like that, there are good ones, but mine is like that. (and that's from me, the ex MINI lover) sounds a bit like one of Mons posts

Maybe I will return, and maybe then I'll join the MINI2 Club, hint taken.

R1 · Feb 1st, 2002, 02:41 PM

cmt. With a woman getting a new free car for one electrical fault on national TV (watchdog) you have all the amo you need to get a new MINI or a full refund from your dealer. I supose I am a bit biased because althought I have had most of the problems mentioned on this site with my MINI, I also seem to have a very good dealer and BMW area rep. Most of my problems are now history, and I'm having a blast with my MINI. But if the faults return, I'll be pushing for a new MINI. My BMW area rep has this in writing from me!
Good luck in your choice.

Moley · Feb 1st, 2002, 03:10 PM

Stick to Japanese sports bikes, thrash them to death and nowt goes wrong with them!

cmt · Feb 1st, 2002, 03:22 PM

I have no real choice, choices are...
- stick with my current car, hope they fix it in March which Regional Tech Manager seemed less than totally convinced of. If they don't I have 2k more miles on the MINI and a dealer who is crap. Dangerous, potentially expensive, unbearable wait choice.
- sell MINI back for £11000, lose £3200 (£1600 paid so far, £1600 negative equity) buy another MINI. This may be same as MINI I have now, only my dealer would be a different BETTER one. Dangerous, Expensive choice.
- try to take legal action against Ian Anthony/Williams Bolton and possibly lose. Expensive, lengthy choice, driving round in a faulty MINI in the mean time.
- Sell MINI for £11000, put £1600 on top of the loan, payments work out slightly (£10 ish) more expensive per month than at the moment. And I'm in a car that I have heard no bad press about (if you have heard any, I would be interested)with German build quality.

I think I prefer the last choice. I have now found a red Lupo GTi, brand new that I could have for Wednesday next week. I have a test drive in it tomorrow. Goodbye for now MINI2ers

P.s. The fault is not a fault that needs a fix, it is a characteristic that they are compensating for as they are aware that some people find it uncomfortable, that from the horses mouth

LMB · Feb 1st, 2002, 05:01 PM

As much as I love my Mini, I hate to say I have absolutely no faith in the build quality. I have only covered 330 miles, yet with each passing day a new creak seems to occur. First it was the dashboard, then a creak started coming from the back and now the door creaks when I open it.

I can't get over the disappointment that the car has not been better built, because I can't fault the car in any other department. I used to own a VW Golf MKII and even when it had reached a mileage of 220,000 there was not a single creak. Now that is German Engineering for you.

cmt, I test drove a Lupo GTi and it is a cracking little car, sometimes I wish I had got one. Even though the build quality of the Mini does seem to be improving, the majority of the cars coming off the production line still are not up to standard.

I am considering rejecting my Mini simply because it pulls to the left. I have tested it on numerous roads and the pull is definitely there. At the end of the day, I was sold a substandard car, and as such I am entitled to a replacement car. No matter how much the dealership may protest the law is on our side.

Don't get me wrong, I do love the car I just seem to have lost faith in the build quality. For reasons unknown seven months down the line BMW have yet to sort it out.

LMB

Basil · Feb 1st, 2002, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LMB
As much as I love my Mini, I hate to say I have absolutely no faith in the build quality. I have only covered 330 miles, yet with each passing day a new creak seems to occur. First it was the dashboard, then a creak started coming from the back and now the door creaks when I open it.

I can't get over the disappointment that the car has not been better built, because I can't fault the car in any other department. I used to own a VW Golf MKII and even when it had reached a mileage of 220,000 there was not a single creak. Now that is German Engineering for you.

cmt, I test drove a Lupo GTi and it is a cracking little car, sometimes I wish I had got one. Even though the build quality of the Mini does seem to be improving, the majority of the cars coming off the production line still are not up to standard.

I am considering rejecting my Mini simply because it pulls to the left. I have tested it on numerous roads and the pull is definitely there. At the end of the day, I was sold a substandard car, and as such I am entitled to a replacement car. No matter how much the dealership may protest the law is on our side.

Don't get me wrong, I do love the car I just seem to have lost faith in the build quality. For reasons unknown seven months down the line BMW have yet to sort it out.

LMB

Really sorry to hear that mate. What was your build date again ?

cheers

R1 · Feb 2nd, 2002, 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Moley
Stick to Japanese sports bikes, thrash them to death and nowt goes wrong with them!

Your not wrong there!!

cmt · Feb 2nd, 2002, 07:06 AM

LMB, though I have now decided to get out before my losses get any more, maybe we could benefit each other. If we want to go to Watchdog, I'm sure 2 people would be more than enough to get a story and a reponse from BMW. If there are more willing to do it, great. If you want to start a thread to see how many would do this, do. If you want to email me, do, and I'll get back to you. They have a web page where you can submit your story on http://www.bbc.co.uk/watchdog click on contact the team, then select transport. Let me know if you decide on either of these methods, a few of us with the same fault could get BMW to at least apologise/admit publiclly that they are having problems. People should not be being sold these cars, unless they KNOW they can fix it (which I have currently seen/heard NO evidence of) and the dealer/BMW backup is there, which it is not always.

I dedicate this post to IAN ANTHONY/WILLIAMS BOLTON

R1 · Feb 2nd, 2002, 07:25 AM

I think Watchdog may tread carefully on the pulling left theory. They had their fingers burnt by Ford about a similar complaint about the Mondeo. They said it was a design fault and it shouldn't be so "camber sensitive". Tests were done into this and the findings were published. Watchdog ended up giving a public apology to Ford, as they found there was nothing wrong with the car. I owned a Mondeo before the MINI and the drift is no worse than the Mondeo's.
Just my opinion having owned both.

cmt · Feb 2nd, 2002, 07:30 AM

My MINI is not 'camber sensitive' it does not 'drift' right on right cambers, in some cases it 'drifts' left up right cambers... That's after a KDS and with the new struts, this is different to the Mondeo I think??? Incidentally Ford did end up fixing the Mondeo as a design fault. The new ones do not do it.

Basil · Feb 2nd, 2002, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cmt
My MINI is not 'camber sensitive' it does not 'drift' right on right cambers, in some cases it 'drifts' left up right cambers... That's after a KDS and with the new struts, this is different to the Mondeo I think??? Incidentally Ford did end up fixing the Mondeo as a design fault. The new ones do not do it.

The MINI is designed with a "left bias" for safety as are all BMW's. The "pull" is the result of a design or manufacturing FAULT. I'm preaching to the converted though I know.......

damn I wasn't going to comment, it's all getting a bit much now.

dinger · Feb 2nd, 2002, 08:01 AM

Hi cmt,

Dont get me wrong as I can inderstand how you feel,but IMO if the MINI was'nt ready to sell then surely BMW/MINIuk would not have allowed the public to buy it in the first place as they also have a reputation to upheld,but the main question is why then does'nt every MINI sold suffer with the same problems that you and other members on MINI2 have,because the cooper I own does not and I cannot be the only one.!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Example

MINI2 has 1300 members or so say 1/3 own a MINI would you then say we have 400 members complaining about the faults on their cars as I dont see that and dont forget the members that do own a MINI are a very small group overall in the uk or world wide to that matter.

PS,I'm not moaning just trying to get my point of view over as a HAPPY MINI cooper owner.

R1 · Feb 2nd, 2002, 08:04 AM

Dinger. Do you fancy starting a "Happy MINI Owner Forum". I'll join!

Feb 1st, 2002, 05:01 PM	#28 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. <div><a href= Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 12:30 AM Posts: 23,727 Offline	As much as I love my Mini, I hate to say I have absolutely no faith in the build quality. I have only covered 330 miles, yet with each passing day a new creak seems to occur. First it was the dashboard, then a creak started coming from the back and now the door creaks when I open it. I can't get over the disappointment that the car has not been better built, because I can't fault the car in any other department. I used to own a VW Golf MKII and even when it had reached a mileage of 220,000 there was not a single creak. Now that is German Engineering for you. cmt, I test drove a Lupo GTi and it is a cracking little car, sometimes I wish I had got one. Even though the build quality of the Mini does seem to be improving, the majority of the cars coming off the production line still are not up to standard. I am considering rejecting my Mini simply because it pulls to the left. I have tested it on numerous roads and the pull is definitely there. At the end of the day, I was sold a substandard car, and as such I am entitled to a replacement car. No matter how much the dealership may protest the law is on our side. Don't get me wrong, I do love the car I just seem to have lost faith in the build quality. For reasons unknown seven months down the line BMW have yet to sort it out. LMB Global Moderator

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Feb 1st, 2002, 06:32 AM	#21
cmt MINI2 Lurker + Sponsor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Westhoughton, NW Eng Local Time: 01:30 AM Posts: 1,208 Offline	I know how you feel, I was never told I was a Beta tester or payed as a BMW quality assesor. Currently being passed between BMW and my dealer, still trying for a buy back, I can't really afford to lose £3000 (which I stand to if I sell it) and if I do I will not be coming back to MINI (or at the very least the same dealer). I was hoping to come back when BMW got their act together and started building a better quality/more reliable MINI.

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Feb 1st, 2002, 02:08 PM	#22 (permalink)
cmt MINI2 Lurker + Sponsor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Westhoughton, NW Eng Local Time: 01:30 AM Posts: 1,208 Offline	so far no luck... apparently BMW cannot tell the dealer to accept your car back (though they have stated they would support the dealer if he decided to do this), or even suggest it. Choose your dealer very carefully! If you have any doubts about your dealers customer relations skills (as I did) in the early days, get out while you can. They say they'll try one more time on Monday and get back to me. I also have the test drive in the Lupo GTi on Monday evening, so one way or the other this whole nightmare should be over by Tuesday morning. I hope you will all accept a Lupo GTi into Club MINI2 when it starts up When the MINI is reliable and upto the standard that I would like I may consider getting one again. Not from my current dealer though (Williams Bolton , ex Ian Anthony.)

Feb 1st, 2002, 02:18 PM	#23 (permalink)
R1 Addicted to Speed!! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..."B" roads!! Local Time: 12:30 AM Posts: 4,866 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by cmt I hope you will all accept a Lupo GTi into Club MINI2 when it starts up As long as we can join the VW GTi club in our MINI's. Keep pushing for a new MINI. They are getting better! I think you will be pleased with the test in the Lupo GTi, but when the shines gone, it just isn't a MINI!

Feb 1st, 2002, 02:27 PM	#24 (permalink)
cmt MINI2 Lurker + Sponsor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Westhoughton, NW Eng Local Time: 01:30 AM Posts: 1,208 Offline	and it probably won't cost me £3000 for 3 months ownership... I'd rather have a fault free, well built (German Build Quality ), fast, drivable car that 'isn't a MINI' and where the dealer doesn't sit atop his tower looking down on the lowly MINI owner who can 'only spend £13000'. Fair enough, they aren't all like that, there are good ones, but mine is like that. (and that's from me, the ex MINI lover) sounds a bit like one of Mons posts Maybe I will return, and maybe then I'll join the MINI2 Club, hint taken.

Feb 1st, 2002, 02:41 PM	#25 (permalink)
R1 Addicted to Speed!! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..."B" roads!! Local Time: 12:30 AM Posts: 4,866 Offline	cmt. With a woman getting a new free car for one electrical fault on national TV (watchdog) you have all the amo you need to get a new MINI or a full refund from your dealer. I supose I am a bit biased because althought I have had most of the problems mentioned on this site with my MINI, I also seem to have a very good dealer and BMW area rep. Most of my problems are now history, and I'm having a blast with my MINI. But if the faults return, I'll be pushing for a new MINI. My BMW area rep has this in writing from me! Good luck in your choice.

Feb 1st, 2002, 03:10 PM	#26 (permalink)
Moley MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: North shields Local Time: 12:30 AM Posts: 29 Offline	Stick to Japanese sports bikes, thrash them to death and nowt goes wrong with them!

Feb 1st, 2002, 03:22 PM	#27 (permalink)
cmt MINI2 Lurker + Sponsor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Westhoughton, NW Eng Local Time: 01:30 AM Posts: 1,208 Offline	I have no real choice, choices are... - stick with my current car, hope they fix it in March which Regional Tech Manager seemed less than totally convinced of. If they don't I have 2k more miles on the MINI and a dealer who is crap. Dangerous, potentially expensive, unbearable wait choice. - sell MINI back for £11000, lose £3200 (£1600 paid so far, £1600 negative equity) buy another MINI. This may be same as MINI I have now, only my dealer would be a different BETTER one. Dangerous, Expensive choice. - try to take legal action against Ian Anthony/Williams Bolton and possibly lose. Expensive, lengthy choice, driving round in a faulty MINI in the mean time. - Sell MINI for £11000, put £1600 on top of the loan, payments work out slightly (£10 ish) more expensive per month than at the moment. And I'm in a car that I have heard no bad press about (if you have heard any, I would be interested)with German build quality. I think I prefer the last choice. I have now found a red Lupo GTi, brand new that I could have for Wednesday next week. I have a test drive in it tomorrow. Goodbye for now MINI2ers P.s. The fault is not a fault that needs a fix, it is a characteristic that they are compensating for as they are aware that some people find it uncomfortable, that from the horses mouth

Feb 1st, 2002, 11:14 PM	#29 (permalink)
Basil MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2001 Local Time: 10:30 AM Posts: 5,956 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by LMB As much as I love my Mini, I hate to say I have absolutely no faith in the build quality. I have only covered 330 miles, yet with each passing day a new creak seems to occur. First it was the dashboard, then a creak started coming from the back and now the door creaks when I open it. I can't get over the disappointment that the car has not been better built, because I can't fault the car in any other department. I used to own a VW Golf MKII and even when it had reached a mileage of 220,000 there was not a single creak. Now that is German Engineering for you. cmt, I test drove a Lupo GTi and it is a cracking little car, sometimes I wish I had got one. Even though the build quality of the Mini does seem to be improving, the majority of the cars coming off the production line still are not up to standard. I am considering rejecting my Mini simply because it pulls to the left. I have tested it on numerous roads and the pull is definitely there. At the end of the day, I was sold a substandard car, and as such I am entitled to a replacement car. No matter how much the dealership may protest the law is on our side. Don't get me wrong, I do love the car I just seem to have lost faith in the build quality. For reasons unknown seven months down the line BMW have yet to sort it out. LMB Really sorry to hear that mate. What was your build date again ? cheers

Feb 2nd, 2002, 07:00 AM	#30 (permalink)
R1 Addicted to Speed!! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..."B" roads!! Local Time: 12:30 AM Posts: 4,866 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Moley Stick to Japanese sports bikes, thrash them to death and nowt goes wrong with them! Your not wrong there!!

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Feb 2nd, 2002, 07:06 AM	#31 (permalink)
cmt MINI2 Lurker + Sponsor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Westhoughton, NW Eng Local Time: 01:30 AM Posts: 1,208 Offline	LMB, though I have now decided to get out before my losses get any more, maybe we could benefit each other. If we want to go to Watchdog, I'm sure 2 people would be more than enough to get a story and a reponse from BMW. If there are more willing to do it, great. If you want to start a thread to see how many would do this, do. If you want to email me, do, and I'll get back to you. They have a web page where you can submit your story on http://www.bbc.co.uk/watchdog click on contact the team, then select transport. Let me know if you decide on either of these methods, a few of us with the same fault could get BMW to at least apologise/admit publiclly that they are having problems. People should not be being sold these cars, unless they KNOW they can fix it (which I have currently seen/heard NO evidence of) and the dealer/BMW backup is there, which it is not always. I dedicate this post to IAN ANTHONY/WILLIAMS BOLTON

Feb 2nd, 2002, 07:25 AM	#32 (permalink)
R1 Addicted to Speed!! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..."B" roads!! Local Time: 12:30 AM Posts: 4,866 Offline	I think Watchdog may tread carefully on the pulling left theory. They had their fingers burnt by Ford about a similar complaint about the Mondeo. They said it was a design fault and it shouldn't be so "camber sensitive". Tests were done into this and the findings were published. Watchdog ended up giving a public apology to Ford, as they found there was nothing wrong with the car. I owned a Mondeo before the MINI and the drift is no worse than the Mondeo's. Just my opinion having owned both.

Feb 2nd, 2002, 07:30 AM	#33 (permalink)
cmt MINI2 Lurker + Sponsor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Westhoughton, NW Eng Local Time: 01:30 AM Posts: 1,208 Offline	My MINI is not 'camber sensitive' it does not 'drift' right on right cambers, in some cases it 'drifts' left up right cambers... That's after a KDS and with the new struts, this is different to the Mondeo I think??? Incidentally Ford did end up fixing the Mondeo as a design fault. The new ones do not do it.

Feb 2nd, 2002, 07:43 AM	#34 (permalink)
Basil MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2001 Local Time: 10:30 AM Posts: 5,956 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by cmt My MINI is not 'camber sensitive' it does not 'drift' right on right cambers, in some cases it 'drifts' left up right cambers... That's after a KDS and with the new struts, this is different to the Mondeo I think??? Incidentally Ford did end up fixing the Mondeo as a design fault. The new ones do not do it. The MINI is designed with a "left bias" for safety as are all BMW's. The "pull" is the result of a design or manufacturing FAULT. I'm preaching to the converted though I know....... damn I wasn't going to comment, it's all getting a bit much now.

Feb 2nd, 2002, 08:01 AM	#35 (permalink)
dinger TT or not TT Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tunbridge Wells,Kent Local Time: 12:30 AM Posts: 3,075 Offline	Hi cmt, Dont get me wrong as I can inderstand how you feel,but IMO if the MINI was'nt ready to sell then surely BMW/MINIuk would not have allowed the public to buy it in the first place as they also have a reputation to upheld,but the main question is why then does'nt every MINI sold suffer with the same problems that you and other members on MINI2 have,because the cooper I own does not and I cannot be the only one.!!!!!!!!!!!!! Example MINI2 has 1300 members or so say 1/3 own a MINI would you then say we have 400 members complaining about the faults on their cars as I dont see that and dont forget the members that do own a MINI are a very small group overall in the uk or world wide to that matter. PS,I'm not moaning just trying to get my point of view over as a HAPPY MINI cooper owner.

Feb 2nd, 2002, 08:04 AM	#36 (permalink)
R1 Addicted to Speed!! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..."B" roads!! Local Time: 12:30 AM Posts: 4,866 Offline	Dinger. Do you fancy starting a "Happy MINI Owner Forum". I'll join!