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BigTed · Sep 5th, 2003, 04:33 PM

Just got back from the dealer.

Took down my spec with me and talked it over with him, bla bla bla...

Anyway, he said that he doesnt recommend i get the Pepper White colour because when i come to sell it it wont be worth as much if, for example, i selected Chili Red or Racing Green etc. He said it could be worth anywhere between £500-£1000 less than the more 'popular' colour!!

Is this true? I had my heart set on the PW/B combo but his words of 'advice' have dampened my spirit!!?

I was quite 'ard though. I pointed out the fact that maybe if they (BMW) didnt try and disuade people to but PW then maybe more people would!?

Are they genuine in the words of wisdom or are they thinking more for themselves on this one (i dont know in which way).

One other thing (sorry to go on!!)...the dealer also said that i would have to put down a £2000 deposit on it rather than the usual £500 due to the spec i had chosen. Is this normal?

Thanks!

dansmini · Sep 5th, 2003, 04:46 PM

You have to make yourself happy first and foremost. You will be driving the car for a long time and if you don't like the color, you will never stop regretting letting someone else influence that decision. I wouldn't worry about the resale value of a car you haven't bought yet. As time passes, the resale value won't matter as much to you. You will love your Cooper!

p.s. I have heard of dealers making people put larger deposits down on "less popular" specs, but if the color is so bad, why would they offer it?

swamos · Sep 5th, 2003, 04:50 PM

Do what make you happy. At least you've been warned

nfo · Sep 5th, 2003, 04:51 PM

all i can say is whatever!

the dealer is retarded!

freedee · Sep 5th, 2003, 04:53 PM

I was told the same when I ordered in December last year, they even went on to say that them wouldn't be keen on accepting one as a PX in the future. It put me right off, I still can't see the problem myself they look great.

Ann Jones · Sep 5th, 2003, 04:55 PM

Pepper White is a gorgeous color!
Since it is so much easier to take care of, It would likely look better at resale time then Red. One of the metallics cost more to begin with, and the value books used by dealers do not put extra value on a car because of it's color.
Get what ever color makes you happy. I definitely do not agree with your advisor.

Ann

tumblewood · Sep 5th, 2003, 04:57 PM

Hi BigTed

Your dealer obviously does not want your custom.
Notice you are in Kent.
There are plenty of other dealers, try another.
2 grand deposit. They are having a laugh.
How does the dealer know at this stage how the colour is going to effect second hand prices in the future, Pepper White hasn't been out very long, and I know it's a colour which is growing on people, especially with the black combo.

At the end of the day its your choice and your money, stand firm on what you want. Plenty of Pepper White Mini's are being sold I understand.

NEMINI · Sep 5th, 2003, 04:57 PM

Are you buying it to enjoy it or as an investment? If you say investment you're in the wrong market anyway. Get what makes you happy, who knows what will be popular in two, three or five years from now. For anyone to say that today's 'cool' colors will still be tomorrow's 'cool' colors seems to have forgotten the rise and fall of teal.

deej · Sep 5th, 2003, 05:07 PM

Big Ted ive just sent you a Private Message

deej

snuffy · Sep 5th, 2003, 05:07 PM

Hi BigTed

What dealer did you go to?

I wouldn't worry about re-sale value if was I you! - Are you already planning on selling it? Get what you really want!

What spec are you after?

wrenny · Sep 5th, 2003, 05:37 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by BigTed

Just got back from the dealer.

Took down my spec with me and talked it over with him, bla bla bla...

Anyway, he said that he doesnt recommend i get the Pepper White colour because when i come to sell it it wont be worth as much if, for example, i selected Chili Red or Racing Green etc. He said it could be worth anywhere between £500-£1000 less than the more 'popular' colour!!

Is this true? I had my heart set on the PW/B combo but his words of 'advice' have dampened my spirit!!?

I was quite 'ard though. I pointed out the fact that maybe if they (BMW) didnt try and disuade people to but PW then maybe more people would!?

Are they genuine in the words of wisdom or are they thinking more for themselves on this one (i dont know in which way).

One other thing (sorry to go on!!)...the dealer also said that i would have to put down a £2000 deposit on it rather than the usual £500 due to the spec i had chosen. Is this normal?

Thanks!

I have admired the white Minis since the colour was introduced. So what do I know !

I did go down to the John Cooper showroom in Worthing and guess what, they had a pepper white demo, Red interior, red door panels etc. It looked really "retro" and cool.

They should know what is hot and what is not.

Incidentally there was a similar debate about yellow minis a while ago....

I'd go for white if I were you. I would ring around to another dealer.

One more thing is I love it but there are quite a lot of reds, blues, blacks around now.

adios

BigKid · Sep 5th, 2003, 05:44 PM

If Pepper White was such a dog, why would they have just added it to a Cooper S?
Ummmmm

planeguy · Sep 5th, 2003, 05:50 PM

color does have a very slight affect on re-sale, but this is how i look at things. Cost/How long i expect to own = Is it worth it

$500 / 5yr = 100yr = worth it

get the white. $100 bucks a year for exactly what you desire is a bargain.

wrenny · Sep 5th, 2003, 05:59 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by planeguy

color does have a very slight affect on re-sale, but this is how i look at things. Cost/How long i expect to own = Is it worth it

$500 / 5yr = 100yr = worth it

get the white. $100 bucks a year for exactly what you desire is a bargain.

Pounds here mate

MINIALEX · Sep 5th, 2003, 06:30 PM

Forget that - have the white - it looks great, if you'd buy it so would many others. I wouldn't compromise on colour even if it was worth a bit less in the future.

dinger · Sep 5th, 2003, 06:36 PM

MINIALEX is right buy the colour you want anyway who knows what the trade values will be in 2 or 3 years time.

BigTed · Sep 6th, 2003, 12:19 AM

Thanks all for your interesting replies, some genuinely useful points there.

Firstly...I am certainly buying it to enjoy it, thats a sure thing!! Like m'cars!! Want a Mini!!!

It seems this particular dealership (Lind in Aylesford) are intent on getting me to buy another colour. The guy even went as far as to say that light grey was very close to the Pepper White and that maybe i should consider that instead.
I ignored him.

Pepper White is my favourite colour by far (although all you other peeps' minis look fantastic too!) so i went down there with my heart set on it. I dont think i'm gonna let one person/dealer change my mind here. No siree. I've been to many dealers in the past and not once have they 'disagreed' with my choice of colour/specs. Came across as very odd to me indeed. Very odd.

And i didnt realise they're about to bring out a PW Cooper S! The plot thickens! That will look swish.

I will certainly have a looksee at other dealerships cos a £2000 deposit is unreal. I think that may have been used to put me off the colour too. I just don't get it.

*deep thinking*

Dam it...i'm sticking to what i want here!!! Come to me little Mini!! Come come.

Thanks for all your posts.

and snuffy - see http://www.mini2.com/forum/mini-cooper/39489-questions-questions.html for my specs (although they have changed a little thanks to the advice of the people here)

Damo · Sep 6th, 2003, 06:12 PM

Go with the colour you want, don't listen to a word the dealer says most of em no sweet F.A.. You've been PM'd!

rainbowdreamer · Sep 6th, 2003, 07:22 PM

If the Pepper White colour is so unpopular - why was there an all-white MINI in the Italian Job 2?

Your dealer does not deserve your custom.

Damo · Sep 6th, 2003, 09:12 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by rainbowdreamer

If the Pepper White colour is so unpopular - why was there an all-white MINI in the Italian Job 2?

Erm, it may have something to do with the fact in that in the original movie, the Mini's where Red, White and Blue, to signify the colours of the Union Jack. I.e. the british pulling one over on the italians.

Sep 5th, 2003, 04:33 PM	#1
BigTed Gimme Mini ! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Kent, UK Local Time: 12:28 AM Posts: 23 Offline	Pepper White Value Just got back from the dealer. Took down my spec with me and talked it over with him, bla bla bla... Anyway, he said that he doesnt recommend i get the Pepper White colour because when i come to sell it it wont be worth as much if, for example, i selected Chili Red or Racing Green etc. He said it could be worth anywhere between £500-£1000 less than the more 'popular' colour!! Is this true? I had my heart set on the PW/B combo but his words of 'advice' have dampened my spirit!!? I was quite 'ard though. I pointed out the fact that maybe if they (BMW) didnt try and disuade people to but PW then maybe more people would!? Are they genuine in the words of wisdom or are they thinking more for themselves on this one (i dont know in which way). One other thing (sorry to go on!!)...the dealer also said that i would have to put down a £2000 deposit on it rather than the usual £500 due to the spec i had chosen. Is this normal? Thanks!

Sep 5th, 2003, 04:55 PM	#6 (permalink)
Ann Jones MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2002 Location: Southern Arizona Local Time: 05:28 PM Posts: 53 Offline	Pepper White is a gorgeous color! Since it is so much easier to take care of, It would likely look better at resale time then Red. One of the metallics cost more to begin with, and the value books used by dealers do not put extra value on a car because of it's color. Get what ever color makes you happy. I definitely do not agree with your advisor. Ann Ms Mini

Sep 5th, 2003, 04:57 PM	#8 (permalink)
NEMINI NEMINI.org Join Date: Sep 2002 Local Time: 07:28 PM Posts: 7,866 Offline	Are you buying it to enjoy it or as an investment? If you say investment you're in the wrong market anyway. Get what makes you happy, who knows what will be popular in two, three or five years from now. For anyone to say that today's 'cool' colors will still be tomorrow's 'cool' colors seems to have forgotten the rise and fall of teal. NEMINI.org, NEMINI.us, NEMINI.info, NYMINI.org

Sep 5th, 2003, 05:07 PM	#9 (permalink)
deej Sewer Surfer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Blackpool Local Time: 01:28 AM Posts: 3,650 Offline	Big Ted ive just sent you a Private Message deej SCONE

Sep 5th, 2003, 05:37 PM	#11 (permalink)
wrenny MINI2 Senior Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Braintree, Essex Local Time: 01:28 AM Posts: 577 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by BigTed Just got back from the dealer. Took down my spec with me and talked it over with him, bla bla bla... Anyway, he said that he doesnt recommend i get the Pepper White colour because when i come to sell it it wont be worth as much if, for example, i selected Chili Red or Racing Green etc. He said it could be worth anywhere between £500-£1000 less than the more 'popular' colour!! Is this true? I had my heart set on the PW/B combo but his words of 'advice' have dampened my spirit!!? I was quite 'ard though. I pointed out the fact that maybe if they (BMW) didnt try and disuade people to but PW then maybe more people would!? Are they genuine in the words of wisdom or are they thinking more for themselves on this one (i dont know in which way). One other thing (sorry to go on!!)...the dealer also said that i would have to put down a £2000 deposit on it rather than the usual £500 due to the spec i had chosen. Is this normal? Thanks! I have admired the white Minis since the colour was introduced. So what do I know ! I did go down to the John Cooper showroom in Worthing and guess what, they had a pepper white demo, Red interior, red door panels etc. It looked really "retro" and cool. They should know what is hot and what is not. Incidentally there was a similar debate about yellow minis a while ago.... I'd go for white if I were you. I would ring around to another dealer. One more thing is I love it but there are quite a lot of reds, blues, blacks around now. adios CHILLI RED, CHILLI PACK, MAGNEX & PIPERCROSS BAGS OF FUN gone now but not forgotten, an s next time ?

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Sep 5th, 2003, 04:46 PM	#2 (permalink)
dansmini Sullivan Racing Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ohio Local Time: 08:28 PM Posts: 1,117 Offline	You have to make yourself happy first and foremost. You will be driving the car for a long time and if you don't like the color, you will never stop regretting letting someone else influence that decision. I wouldn't worry about the resale value of a car you haven't bought yet. As time passes, the resale value won't matter as much to you. You will love your Cooper! p.s. I have heard of dealers making people put larger deposits down on "less popular" specs, but if the color is so bad, why would they offer it?

Sep 5th, 2003, 04:50 PM	#3 (permalink)
swamos MINI Traitor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Brisbane, Australia Local Time: 10:28 AM Posts: 4,985 Offline	Do what make you happy. At least you've been warned

Sep 5th, 2003, 04:51 PM	#4 (permalink)
nfo MINI2 Regular Join Date: Dec 2002 Local Time: 07:28 PM Posts: 325 Offline	all i can say is whatever! the dealer is retarded!

Sep 5th, 2003, 04:53 PM	#5 (permalink)
freedee MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Leicester UK Local Time: 12:28 AM Posts: 103 Offline	I was told the same when I ordered in December last year, they even went on to say that them wouldn't be keen on accepting one as a PX in the future. It put me right off, I still can't see the problem myself they look great.

Sep 5th, 2003, 04:57 PM	#7 (permalink)
tumblewood bouncebackability Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: selhurst suburbia Local Time: 01:28 AM Posts: 310 Offline	Hi BigTed Your dealer obviously does not want your custom. Notice you are in Kent. There are plenty of other dealers, try another. 2 grand deposit. They are having a laugh. How does the dealer know at this stage how the colour is going to effect second hand prices in the future, Pepper White hasn't been out very long, and I know it's a colour which is growing on people, especially with the black combo. At the end of the day its your choice and your money, stand firm on what you want. Plenty of Pepper White Mini's are being sold I understand.

Sep 5th, 2003, 05:07 PM	#10 (permalink)
snuffy meow mini2 meow Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Kent Local Time: 01:28 AM Posts: 559 Offline	Hi BigTed What dealer did you go to? I wouldn't worry about re-sale value if was I you! - Are you already planning on selling it? Get what you really want! What spec are you after?

Sep 5th, 2003, 05:44 PM	#12 (permalink)
BigKid PW Mini Lover Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Memphis TN Local Time: 07:28 PM Posts: 57 Offline	If Pepper White was such a dog, why would they have just added it to a Cooper S? Ummmmm

Sep 5th, 2003, 05:50 PM	#13 (permalink)
planeguy MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: wichita, ks Local Time: 07:28 PM Posts: 100 Offline	color does have a very slight affect on re-sale, but this is how i look at things. Cost/How long i expect to own = Is it worth it $500 / 5yr = 100yr = worth it get the white. $100 bucks a year for exactly what you desire is a bargain.

Sep 5th, 2003, 05:59 PM	#14 (permalink)
wrenny MINI2 Senior Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Braintree, Essex Local Time: 01:28 AM Posts: 577 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by planeguy color does have a very slight affect on re-sale, but this is how i look at things. Cost/How long i expect to own = Is it worth it $500 / 5yr = 100yr = worth it get the white. $100 bucks a year for exactly what you desire is a bargain. Pounds here mate CHILLI RED, CHILLI PACK, MAGNEX & PIPERCROSS BAGS OF FUN gone now but not forgotten, an s next time ?

Sep 5th, 2003, 06:30 PM	#15 (permalink)
MINIALEX MINI2 Master Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: LEICESTERSHIRE Local Time: 01:28 AM Posts: 997 Offline	Forget that - have the white - it looks great, if you'd buy it so would many others. I wouldn't compromise on colour even if it was worth a bit less in the future. Cometh the Hour, Cometh the MINI

Sep 5th, 2003, 06:36 PM	#16 (permalink)
dinger TT or not TT Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tunbridge Wells,Kent Local Time: 12:28 AM Posts: 3,075 Offline	MINIALEX is right buy the colour you want anyway who knows what the trade values will be in 2 or 3 years time.

Sep 6th, 2003, 12:19 AM	#17 (permalink)
BigTed Gimme Mini ! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Kent, UK Local Time: 12:28 AM Posts: 23 Offline	Thanks all for your interesting replies, some genuinely useful points there. Firstly...I am certainly buying it to enjoy it, thats a sure thing!! Like m'cars!! Want a Mini!!! It seems this particular dealership (Lind in Aylesford) are intent on getting me to buy another colour. The guy even went as far as to say that light grey was very close to the Pepper White and that maybe i should consider that instead. I ignored him. Pepper White is my favourite colour by far (although all you other peeps' minis look fantastic too!) so i went down there with my heart set on it. I dont think i'm gonna let one person/dealer change my mind here. No siree. I've been to many dealers in the past and not once have they 'disagreed' with my choice of colour/specs. Came across as very odd to me indeed. Very odd. And i didnt realise they're about to bring out a PW Cooper S! The plot thickens! That will look swish. I will certainly have a looksee at other dealerships cos a £2000 deposit is unreal. I think that may have been used to put me off the colour too. I just don't get it. deep thinking Dam it...i'm sticking to what i want here!!! Come to me little Mini!! Come come. Thanks for all your posts. and snuffy - see http://www.mini2.com/forum/mini-cooper/39489-questions-questions.html for my specs (although they have changed a little thanks to the advice of the people here)

Sep 6th, 2003, 06:12 PM	#18 (permalink)
Damo MINI2fosi My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: MINItorque.com Local Time: 12:28 AM Posts: 10,526 Offline	Go with the colour you want, don't listen to a word the dealer says most of em no sweet F.A.. You've been PM'd!

Sep 6th, 2003, 07:22 PM	#19 (permalink)
rainbowdreamer MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2003 Local Time: 01:28 AM Posts: 268 Offline	If the Pepper White colour is so unpopular - why was there an all-white MINI in the Italian Job 2? Your dealer does not deserve your custom. Rainbow Dreamer 2005 Cooper S Convertible

Sep 6th, 2003, 09:12 PM	#20 (permalink)
Damo MINI2fosi My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: MINItorque.com Local Time: 12:28 AM Posts: 10,526 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by rainbowdreamer If the Pepper White colour is so unpopular - why was there an all-white MINI in the Italian Job 2? Erm, it may have something to do with the fact in that in the original movie, the Mini's where Red, White and Blue, to signify the colours of the Union Jack. I.e. the british pulling one over on the italians.

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