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spur · Sep 13th, 2003, 11:32 PM

this may be old news but i have noticed that bmw are from 2004 , using a new gear box by a german company called getrag, starting with the conv. question. why the change, is the current box dodgy?

moorlockx · Sep 13th, 2003, 11:42 PM

I don't know if I would classify the current tranny as "dodgy", but there have been some problems with it.

spur · Sep 13th, 2003, 11:56 PM

can you tell me what

cristo · Sep 13th, 2003, 11:57 PM

Rover makes the 5 speed for the MC, as it was already in
production and fit the bill, and was reliable, but not sturdy
enough for the MCS's or D's torque, so Getrag made the 6
speeds for these models. The connection with BMW and Rover
is going south, so Getrag is going to supply the 5 speeds for the
lower powered models as well in the future.

spur · Sep 14th, 2003, 12:03 AM

so is the new gear box going to be a good "free upgrade" when it starts on the cooper conv?

Robert Stancliff · Sep 14th, 2003, 01:00 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by spur

so is the new gear box going to be a good "free upgrade" when it starts on the cooper conv?

I think when the change occurs on the Cooper if you order a 5-speed you get the Getrag, so it's free in the sense that it won't be an "option".

spur · Sep 14th, 2003, 01:40 AM

what i was really asking is, do people think it will be a change for the better?

moorlockx · Sep 14th, 2003, 02:46 AM

I think it will. The getrag 6 spd in the S seems to be a very solid box that's caused minimal troubles. If the new one is as good, it would be classified as a definite improvement.

stryder · Sep 14th, 2003, 04:56 AM

Its simple. There have been many replaced current 5 speed transmissions, and none (that I know of) in 6 speed under warranty. If Getrag's 5 speed is of similar reliability its an improvement, but one never really knows until the cars been on the road for a bit.

If you read this post:
http://www.mini2.com/forum/general-discussion/38569-getrag-trans-base-cooper-2004-a.html

it explains most of it.

NEMINI · Sep 14th, 2003, 05:26 AM

Does Getrag currently have a 5 speed that would fit the Cooper? or are they designing new?

zgokart · Sep 14th, 2003, 06:18 AM

The original MC 5-speed transmission was made by Midland Powertrain. Midland will stop making the transmission for future MCs, which, as noted in an above post, will be made by the German company Getrag. I am sure it will be an improvement, although I have no problem with the current 5 speed transmission.

Paul · Sep 14th, 2003, 07:46 AM

The thread above, and this news article from mid August should help explain a few things:
http://www.mini2.com/news/news176.html

badboyzbadboyz · Sep 14th, 2003, 11:07 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by spur

what i was really asking is, do people think it will be a change for the better?

Lets hope so. I must admit I really don't like the Cooper S gearbox but hopefully they will design the Cooper 5 speed for the kind of people that drive Coopers. What I mean is I don't really like the sporty drive with the stiffer suspension and gearbox and that I why I prefer the Cooper. I like the fact that the two cars are so different and I think they will ruin the drive of the Cooper if the gearbox is like the Getrag 6 speed.

Pritch · Sep 14th, 2003, 09:23 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett

The thread above, and this news article from mid August should help explain a few things:
http://www.mini2.com/news/news176.html

Pedantically speaking, your news article IS the thread above - the start of it, at least

ScottyG · Sep 14th, 2003, 09:35 PM

My Min's got a lovely box!

wreelybro · Sep 20th, 2005, 04:38 PM

Hi

I have an 02 Cooper that has had a replacement gearbox under warranty about 2000 miles ago because was jumping out of 1st when accerating hard from standstill also shiuddered then lost transmission all together.....

I was told that they had put in a new uprated gearbox and that I wil not get any more problems...

OK so was fine up until this morning when the blasted thing has done exaclt ythe same again!!! (Mmmm seething now)

What should I do??? Your advise would be appreiated as am loosing faith in Mini.......

Eelke · Sep 21st, 2005, 07:32 AM

I am guessing you are actually quite off-topic on this thread, because I doubt they would have fitted one of the new (well, already an entire model year down the line already) Getrag boxes, because I doubt they actually fit to older models. There's at least one thread about replacing the old Midlands unit in the dedicated Cooper forum.

Eelke · Sep 21st, 2005, 08:20 AM

Came across the thread I meant: http://www.mini2.com/forum/faults-fixes/97442-if-your-cooper-has-midlands-5-speed-please-respond.html

Sep 13th, 2003, 11:32 PM	#1
spur MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: East London/Essex Local Time: 05:38 AM Posts: 484 Offline	new getrag gear box this may be old news but i have noticed that bmw are from 2004 , using a new gear box by a german company called getrag, starting with the conv. question. why the change, is the current box dodgy?

Sep 13th, 2003, 11:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
moorlockx MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Fayetteville, NC, US Local Time: 11:38 PM Posts: 893 Offline	I don't know if I would classify the current tranny as "dodgy", but there have been some problems with it. -- '03 S B/W

Sep 14th, 2003, 01:00 AM	#6 (permalink)
Robert Stancliff MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2003 Local Time: 11:38 PM Posts: 202 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by spur so is the new gear box going to be a good "free upgrade" when it starts on the cooper conv? I think when the change occurs on the Cooper if you order a 5-speed you get the Getrag, so it's free in the sense that it won't be an "option". Robert Stancliff Sr.

Sep 14th, 2003, 02:46 AM	#8 (permalink)
moorlockx MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Fayetteville, NC, US Local Time: 11:38 PM Posts: 893 Offline	I think it will. The getrag 6 spd in the S seems to be a very solid box that's caused minimal troubles. If the new one is as good, it would be classified as a definite improvement. -- '03 S B/W

Sep 14th, 2003, 04:56 AM	#9 (permalink)
stryder Sponsor/Moderator/Other Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Cleveland Local Time: 11:38 PM Posts: 3,358 Offline	Its simple. There have been many replaced current 5 speed transmissions, and none (that I know of) in 6 speed under warranty. If Getrag's 5 speed is of similar reliability its an improvement, but one never really knows until the cars been on the road for a bit. If you read this post: http://www.mini2.com/forum/general-discussion/38569-getrag-trans-base-cooper-2004-a.html it explains most of it. Magic 8-ball was correct. All be in awe of Magic 8 ball.

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Sep 13th, 2003, 11:56 PM	#3 (permalink)
spur MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: East London/Essex Local Time: 05:38 AM Posts: 484 Offline	can you tell me what

Sep 13th, 2003, 11:57 PM	#4 (permalink)
cristo BLIKSEM (my brg/brg mc) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: york, pennsylvania Local Time: 12:38 AM Posts: 2,209 Offline	Rover makes the 5 speed for the MC, as it was already in production and fit the bill, and was reliable, but not sturdy enough for the MCS's or D's torque, so Getrag made the 6 speeds for these models. The connection with BMW and Rover is going south, so Getrag is going to supply the 5 speeds for the lower powered models as well in the future.

Sep 14th, 2003, 12:03 AM	#5 (permalink)
spur MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: East London/Essex Local Time: 05:38 AM Posts: 484 Offline	so is the new gear box going to be a good "free upgrade" when it starts on the cooper conv?

Sep 14th, 2003, 01:40 AM	#7 (permalink)
spur MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: East London/Essex Local Time: 05:38 AM Posts: 484 Offline	what i was really asking is, do people think it will be a change for the better?

Sep 14th, 2003, 05:26 AM	#10 (permalink)
NEMINI NEMINI.org Join Date: Sep 2002 Local Time: 11:38 PM Posts: 7,911 Offline	Does Getrag currently have a 5 speed that would fit the Cooper? or are they designing new? NEMINI.org, NEMINI.us, NEMINI.info, NYMINI.org

Sep 14th, 2003, 06:18 AM	#11 (permalink)
zgokart MINI2 Senior Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Northern California Local Time: 09:38 PM Posts: 567 Offline	The original MC 5-speed transmission was made by Midland Powertrain. Midland will stop making the transmission for future MCs, which, as noted in an above post, will be made by the German company Getrag. I am sure it will be an improvement, although I have no problem with the current 5 speed transmission.

Sep 14th, 2003, 07:46 AM	#12 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 05:38 AM Posts: 41,220 Offline	The thread above, and this news article from mid August should help explain a few things: http://www.mini2.com/news/news176.html There aint no party like my nana's tea party

Sep 14th, 2003, 11:07 AM	#13 (permalink)
badboyzbadboyz MINI2 Jedi Master Join Date: May 2003 Local Time: 04:38 AM Posts: 1,257 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by spur what i was really asking is, do people think it will be a change for the better? Lets hope so. I must admit I really don't like the Cooper S gearbox but hopefully they will design the Cooper 5 speed for the kind of people that drive Coopers. What I mean is I don't really like the sporty drive with the stiffer suspension and gearbox and that I why I prefer the Cooper. I like the fact that the two cars are so different and I think they will ruin the drive of the Cooper if the gearbox is like the Getrag 6 speed.

Sep 14th, 2003, 09:23 PM	#14 (permalink)
Pritch MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: England Local Time: 05:38 AM Posts: 282 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett The thread above, and this news article from mid August should help explain a few things: http://www.mini2.com/news/news176.html Pedantically speaking, your news article IS the thread above - the start of it, at least David 2003 Mini Cooper S - DS/B

Sep 14th, 2003, 09:35 PM	#15 (permalink)
ScottyG The new improved ScottyG! Join Date: Jun 2003 Local Time: 05:38 AM Posts: 1,287 Offline	My Min's got a lovely box!

Sep 20th, 2005, 04:38 PM	#16 (permalink)
wreelybro MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jun 2005 Local Time: 04:38 AM Posts: 20 Offline	Dodgy Box Hi I have an 02 Cooper that has had a replacement gearbox under warranty about 2000 miles ago because was jumping out of 1st when accerating hard from standstill also shiuddered then lost transmission all together..... I was told that they had put in a new uprated gearbox and that I wil not get any more problems... OK so was fine up until this morning when the blasted thing has done exaclt ythe same again!!! (Mmmm seething now) What should I do??? Your advise would be appreiated as am loosing faith in Mini....... If it has an engine.... Race it!!!

Sep 21st, 2005, 07:32 AM	#17 (permalink)
Eelke MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Netherlands Local Time: 05:38 AM Posts: 233 Offline	I am guessing you are actually quite off-topic on this thread, because I doubt they would have fitted one of the new (well, already an entire model year down the line already) Getrag boxes, because I doubt they actually fit to older models. There's at least one thread about replacing the old Midlands unit in the dedicated Cooper forum.

Sep 21st, 2005, 08:20 AM	#18 (permalink)
Eelke MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Netherlands Local Time: 05:38 AM Posts: 233 Offline	Came across the thread I meant: http://www.mini2.com/forum/faults-fixes/97442-if-your-cooper-has-midlands-5-speed-please-respond.html

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