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Paul · Sep 25th, 2003, 11:11 AM

Had the take my Cooper S into the dealers on Monday for some repair work to a damaged front bumper.
I had a MINI One as a courtesy car (requested ISOFIX, so that's fine with me!), and I did quite enjoy it (we already have a MINI One of our own), but boy was I delighted to get back into the 'S' this morning.
Took the long route home down some twisty country lanes.

bg1229 · Sep 25th, 2003, 11:20 AM

Glad You Got It Back Before The Withdrawl Symptoms Kicked In Ther Pm :d :d

bg1229 · Sep 25th, 2003, 11:21 AM

oh no

not the grin thing

zimbo · Sep 25th, 2003, 11:24 AM

What happened to the bumper Paul?

I had a ONE as a courtousy car from my dealer on Monday as well, did not like it at all!! the only good thing about it that I found was the gearchange, it was a lot smoother in that than it is in my COOPER!!

Glad to hear that you have got your S back though...
One of these days I will hopefully be able to afford an S...

BoBb3h · Sep 25th, 2003, 11:26 AM

The gear change is different cause its a completely different gearbox lol. Nice to hear the 'S' is back Paul.

zimbo · Sep 25th, 2003, 11:32 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by BoBb3h

The gear change is different cause its a completely different gearbox lol.

Cheers BoBb3h, I did'nt know the gearbox was different in the ONE, thought it was the same as the COOPERS, I've learnt something new today....

BoBb3h · Sep 25th, 2003, 11:39 AM

U bein a sarcastic person

KenL · Sep 25th, 2003, 11:47 AM

Do you mean COOPERS or COOPER S?

Cooper and ONE have the same gearbox.

Pity you didn't like the ONE. What was wrong with it?

BoBb3h · Sep 25th, 2003, 11:48 AM

Cooper and one dont have the same gearbox. Daddy works for Midland Gears LTD

KenL · Sep 25th, 2003, 11:56 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by BoBb3h

Cooper and one dont have the same gearbox. Daddy works for Midland Gears LTD

I thought they had the same box.

Thought only the final drive ratio was different.

The Cooper I drove last week felt just like mine only not as good as I have a Whalen shifter on my ONE

zimbo · Sep 25th, 2003, 11:59 AM

I always thought the cooper + ONE had the same gearbox, the cooperS has the same gearbox as the Focus RS(apparently) but BoBb3h says the g/box in ONE is different to cooper...?

The ONE seems to lose grunt at about 4000rpms... needing a change of gear pretty early, where as the cooper would still be pulling for a while yet...

NED · Sep 25th, 2003, 12:05 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by zimbo

The ONE seems to lose grunt at about 4000rpms... needing a change of gear pretty early, where as the cooper would still be pulling for a while yet...

With my One it only really starts to go anywhere above 4000 rpm. Leave that gearstick alone!

As far as I know the One and Cooper have the same 'box with a different final drive which makes the Coop accelerate a bit quicker (in addition to the extra horses).

BoBb3h · Sep 25th, 2003, 12:21 PM

Well the one gearbox is built by Midland gearbox which is what was left after MG Rover was sold and then BMW told Midland Gears that they would run that gearbox for three years then change so the One has that gearbox. Concerning the Cooper S and Cooper the gearbox is Getrag (Pronounced c-trag) but the cooper s is semi-auto

Paul · Sep 25th, 2003, 12:26 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by BoBb3h

Well the one gearbox is built by Midland gearbox which is what was left after MG Rover was sold and then BMW told Midland Gears that they would run that gearbox for three years then change so the One has that gearbox. Concerning the Cooper S and Cooper the gearbox is Getrag (Pronounced c-trag) but the cooper s is semi-auto

The MINI One and Cooper have the same manual 5 speed gearbox, only the final drive is different. They are the midland gears units, although next year all MINIs will swap to Getrag.

The Cooper S and MINI One D have the same manual 6 speed Getrag box, only with different ratios, also the gear change mechanism is different on the D to the S. The S and D are only available in manual.

The Cooper and One both also have a CVT option, made by the German company ZF.

Hope this clears things up.

KenL · Sep 25th, 2003, 12:30 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Max

and the point of your post Max is.....

SoggyCornFlakes · Sep 25th, 2003, 12:57 PM

Good to hear the S is back safe and sound - must be time for a spin again soon

ABG · Sep 25th, 2003, 01:08 PM

Glad to hear Wollaston got you S back nice and quickly Paul!

Wife has been using the works for commuting the last few days and I had begun to think "it can't be as much fun as I remember driving it - must have been because it's new".

Went out last night for a 15 minute blast down the H's and V's and was reminded just how good the car is - even changing at 4500.

More exciting is that today it'll go over the magic 1250 so I can begin to go a little higher on the revs.

The only thing which rained on my parage last night was a Ferarri F355 behind me as we came up to the dual carriageway section. I could not believe it!

- There's always someone with better toys!

(for a split second I regretted not getting a Scooby but that passed - shame on me!). Decided to leave competion with it until it's a "which is easier to park" stage!

ABG · Sep 25th, 2003, 01:10 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by soggycornflakes

Good to hear the S is back safe and sound - must be time for a spin again soon

Hmm more practice needed on the PS2 Italian Job for me then if I have a chance of keeping up!

Paul · Sep 25th, 2003, 01:29 PM

Another spin again soon sounds good, 900 miles on the clock, so got to work on getting that improved!

badboyzbadboyz · Sep 26th, 2003, 11:15 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by NED

With my One it only really starts to go anywhere above 4000 rpm. Leave that gearstick alone!

As far as I know the One and Cooper have the same 'box with a different final drive which makes the Coop accelerate a bit quicker (in addition to the extra horses).

And different ECU settings isn't it ? Having driven all MINI's now I think there is a fair difference between ONE - Cooper and Cooper - Cooper S. A bit more than a bit quicker I thought.

Sep 25th, 2003, 11:11 AM	#1
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 12:39 AM Posts: 40,356 Offline	Ooh, it's great to have my 'S' back! Had the take my Cooper S into the dealers on Monday for some repair work to a damaged front bumper. I had a MINI One as a courtesy car (requested ISOFIX, so that's fine with me!), and I did quite enjoy it (we already have a MINI One of our own), but boy was I delighted to get back into the 'S' this morning. Took the long route home down some twisty country lanes. Our trials and tribulations living in a "bleeding edge" eco house... Oxley Woods Living

Sep 25th, 2003, 11:26 AM	#5 (permalink)
BoBb3h MP Lover (Not Obsessed) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Birmingham, UK Local Time: 02:39 AM Posts: 106 Offline	The gear change is different cause its a completely different gearbox lol. Nice to hear the 'S' is back Paul. http://www.mini2.com/gallery/personal/BoBb3h/sig1.jpg Mini One, Indi Blue, CD Player, SEXY! Rakey's MINI2 Fantasy Footie Game - click here

Sep 25th, 2003, 11:39 AM	#7 (permalink)
BoBb3h MP Lover (Not Obsessed) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Birmingham, UK Local Time: 02:39 AM Posts: 106 Offline	U bein a sarcastic person http://www.mini2.com/gallery/personal/BoBb3h/sig1.jpg Mini One, Indi Blue, CD Player, SEXY! Rakey's MINI2 Fantasy Footie Game - click here

Sep 25th, 2003, 11:47 AM	#8 (permalink)
KenL MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2002 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 12:39 AM Posts: 5,102 Offline	Do you mean COOPERS or COOPER S? Cooper and ONE have the same gearbox. Pity you didn't like the ONE. What was wrong with it? Red/Black R56 Cooper

Sep 25th, 2003, 11:48 AM	#9 (permalink)
BoBb3h MP Lover (Not Obsessed) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Birmingham, UK Local Time: 02:39 AM Posts: 106 Offline	Cooper and one dont have the same gearbox. Daddy works for Midland Gears LTD http://www.mini2.com/gallery/personal/BoBb3h/sig1.jpg Mini One, Indi Blue, CD Player, SEXY! Rakey's MINI2 Fantasy Footie Game - click here

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Sep 25th, 2003, 11:20 AM	#2 (permalink)
bg1229 MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: in the brook Local Time: 08:39 PM Posts: 944 Offline	Glad You Got It Back Before The Withdrawl Symptoms Kicked In Ther Pm :d :d

Sep 25th, 2003, 11:21 AM	#3 (permalink)
bg1229 MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: in the brook Local Time: 08:39 PM Posts: 944 Offline	oh no not the grin thing

Sep 25th, 2003, 11:24 AM	#4 (permalink)
zimbo MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Scotland... Local Time: 12:39 AM Posts: 105 Offline	What happened to the bumper Paul? I had a ONE as a courtousy car from my dealer on Monday as well, did not like it at all!! the only good thing about it that I found was the gearchange, it was a lot smoother in that than it is in my COOPER!! Glad to hear that you have got your S back though... One of these days I will hopefully be able to afford an S...

Sep 25th, 2003, 11:32 AM	#6 (permalink)
zimbo MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Scotland... Local Time: 12:39 AM Posts: 105 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by BoBb3h The gear change is different cause its a completely different gearbox lol. Cheers BoBb3h, I did'nt know the gearbox was different in the ONE, thought it was the same as the COOPERS, I've learnt something new today....

Sep 25th, 2003, 11:56 AM	#10 (permalink)
KenL MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2002 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 12:39 AM Posts: 5,102 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by BoBb3h Cooper and one dont have the same gearbox. Daddy works for Midland Gears LTD I thought they had the same box. Thought only the final drive ratio was different. The Cooper I drove last week felt just like mine only not as good as I have a Whalen shifter on my ONE Red/Black R56 Cooper

Sep 25th, 2003, 11:59 AM	#11 (permalink)
zimbo MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Scotland... Local Time: 12:39 AM Posts: 105 Offline	I always thought the cooper + ONE had the same gearbox, the cooperS has the same gearbox as the Focus RS(apparently) but BoBb3h says the g/box in ONE is different to cooper...? The ONE seems to lose grunt at about 4000rpms... needing a change of gear pretty early, where as the cooper would still be pulling for a while yet...

Sep 25th, 2003, 12:05 PM	#12 (permalink)
NED Fried Gold Join Date: Dec 2002 Local Time: 12:39 AM Posts: 763 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by zimbo The ONE seems to lose grunt at about 4000rpms... needing a change of gear pretty early, where as the cooper would still be pulling for a while yet... With my One it only really starts to go anywhere above 4000 rpm. Leave that gearstick alone! As far as I know the One and Cooper have the same 'box with a different final drive which makes the Coop accelerate a bit quicker (in addition to the extra horses).

Sep 25th, 2003, 12:21 PM	#13 (permalink)
BoBb3h MP Lover (Not Obsessed) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Birmingham, UK Local Time: 02:39 AM Posts: 106 Offline	Well the one gearbox is built by Midland gearbox which is what was left after MG Rover was sold and then BMW told Midland Gears that they would run that gearbox for three years then change so the One has that gearbox. Concerning the Cooper S and Cooper the gearbox is Getrag (Pronounced c-trag) but the cooper s is semi-auto http://www.mini2.com/gallery/personal/BoBb3h/sig1.jpg Mini One, Indi Blue, CD Player, SEXY! Rakey's MINI2 Fantasy Footie Game - click here

Sep 25th, 2003, 12:26 PM	#14 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 12:39 AM Posts: 40,356 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by BoBb3h Well the one gearbox is built by Midland gearbox which is what was left after MG Rover was sold and then BMW told Midland Gears that they would run that gearbox for three years then change so the One has that gearbox. Concerning the Cooper S and Cooper the gearbox is Getrag (Pronounced c-trag) but the cooper s is semi-auto The MINI One and Cooper have the same manual 5 speed gearbox, only the final drive is different. They are the midland gears units, although next year all MINIs will swap to Getrag. The Cooper S and MINI One D have the same manual 6 speed Getrag box, only with different ratios, also the gear change mechanism is different on the D to the S. The S and D are only available in manual. The Cooper and One both also have a CVT option, made by the German company ZF. Hope this clears things up. Our trials and tribulations living in a "bleeding edge" eco house... Oxley Woods Living

Sep 25th, 2003, 12:30 PM	#15 (permalink)
KenL MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2002 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 12:39 AM Posts: 5,102 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Max and the point of your post Max is..... Red/Black R56 Cooper

Sep 25th, 2003, 12:57 PM	#16 (permalink)
SoggyCornFlakes Awwww %%%% it! My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Northampton Local Time: 12:39 AM Posts: 33,225 Offline	Good to hear the S is back safe and sound - must be time for a spin again soon Click here to Welease Woss and Bwand MINI2 Charity Ball 2009 ....... Global Moderator

Sep 25th, 2003, 01:08 PM	#17 (permalink)
ABG Yatta!! Join Date: Jun 2003 Local Time: 12:39 AM Posts: 8,387 Offline	Glad to hear Wollaston got you S back nice and quickly Paul! Wife has been using the works for commuting the last few days and I had begun to think "it can't be as much fun as I remember driving it - must have been because it's new". Went out last night for a 15 minute blast down the H's and V's and was reminded just how good the car is - even changing at 4500. More exciting is that today it'll go over the magic 1250 so I can begin to go a little higher on the revs. The only thing which rained on my parage last night was a Ferarri F355 behind me as we came up to the dual carriageway section. I could not believe it! - There's always someone with better toys! (for a split second I regretted not getting a Scooby but that passed - shame on me!). Decided to leave competion with it until it's a "which is easier to park" stage!

Sep 25th, 2003, 01:10 PM	#18 (permalink)
ABG Yatta!! Join Date: Jun 2003 Local Time: 12:39 AM Posts: 8,387 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by soggycornflakes Good to hear the S is back safe and sound - must be time for a spin again soon Hmm more practice needed on the PS2 Italian Job for me then if I have a chance of keeping up! Last edited by ABG : Sep 25th, 2003 at 01:33 PM.

Sep 25th, 2003, 01:29 PM	#19 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 12:39 AM Posts: 40,356 Offline	Another spin again soon sounds good, 900 miles on the clock, so got to work on getting that improved! Our trials and tribulations living in a "bleeding edge" eco house... Oxley Woods Living

Sep 26th, 2003, 11:15 AM	#20 (permalink)
badboyzbadboyz MINI2 Jedi Master Join Date: May 2003 Local Time: 12:39 AM Posts: 1,238 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by NED With my One it only really starts to go anywhere above 4000 rpm. Leave that gearstick alone! As far as I know the One and Cooper have the same 'box with a different final drive which makes the Coop accelerate a bit quicker (in addition to the extra horses). And different ECU settings isn't it ? Having driven all MINI's now I think there is a fair difference between ONE - Cooper and Cooper - Cooper S. A bit more than a bit quicker I thought.

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