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BruceK · Mar 3rd, 2002, 08:36 PM

Okay Paul

,

For a little while know your sig has been:

"Enough of the small torque... I want an 'S'! (I think)"

You think?!

Fess up! Are you just being coy until you actually get you hands on a Cooper S and thrash it about (in less then 2 weeks now

), or are you really uncertain you'll like it?

Hmmmm....?

Paul · Mar 3rd, 2002, 08:50 PM

Well....

It's money.

Base UK Cooper S = £14,500. (Not I was saying £14,700 from early spring/early summer last year, close but no cigar!)

Anyway...

I've specced a Cooper up...

Base 11,600.
Solid colour (red and white) No cost
DSC £300
Head airbags front and rear £200
Remote alarm £200
Heated jets and mirrors £40
First aid riangle and kit £35
ISOFIX £20
Headlamp power wash £100
Manual Air Con £600
On board CPU £100
CD Player £70
Boost £135
CD Prep Free!
Chili pack £1000
TLC £100

= £14,530.

£30 more than a Cooper S, and all those creature comforts and goodies.......

It'll take a lot to persuad me the Cooper S is worth it for my average usage!

And yes, the trip to Portugal will probably be the decider!

ant · Mar 3rd, 2002, 09:05 PM

Quote:

And yes, the trip to Portugal will probably be the decider!

Need anyone to carry your bags???

Ant

mad hatter · Mar 3rd, 2002, 10:04 PM

The creature comforts are nice but in the end all I need is a little tred left on the tires when someone comes breathing up my exhaust pipe(s), ok maybe a good CD jamin on the H/K...

Have fun deciding

smiffy · Mar 4th, 2002, 05:20 AM

The cost thing was the main reason I ordered a ONE. I could have all the little extra's i wanted for just over the basic price of a Cooper. You have to conside the cost of Insurance too. Maybe a Cooper S in a few years

ant · Mar 4th, 2002, 05:42 AM

Quote:

Maybe a Cooper S in a few years

That's my plan!

Damn insurance companies

... (No offence

)

Ant

Basil · Mar 4th, 2002, 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Paul_Mullett
Well....

It's money.

Base UK Cooper S = £14,500. (Not I was saying £14,700 from early spring/early summer last year, close but no cigar!)

Anyway...

I've specced a Cooper up...

Base 11,600.
Solid colour (red and white) No cost
DSC £300
Head airbags front and rear £200
Remote alarm £200
Heated jets and mirrors £40
First aid riangle and kit £35
ISOFIX £20
Headlamp power wash £100
Manual Air Con £600
On board CPU £100
CD Player £70
Boost £135
CD Prep Free!
Chili pack £1000
TLC £100

= £14,530.

£30 more than a Cooper S, and all those creature comforts and goodies.......

It'll take a lot to persuad me the Cooper S is worth it for my average usage!

And yes, the trip to Portugal will probably be the decider!

You said it.........But It's ONLY Money !!.

Once driven, forever smitten....

Odds on you end up buying an S over the "loaded" Cooper.

PS. Have you included your BMW Discount ?. If ANYONE deserves a cheaper MINI, it's got to be the owner of this site.

Paul · Mar 4th, 2002, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Basil

Have you included your BMW Discount ?. If ANYONE deserves a cheaper MINI, it's got to be the owner of this site.

If anyone from MINI is reading this, take note...

It would be nice.

But unlikely me thinks.

cmt · Mar 4th, 2002, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Paul_Mullett

If anyone from MINI is reading this, take note...

It would be nice.

But unlikely me thinks.

I'd push for a FREE one Paul

I reckon you've done more than £14,000 worth of Market Research for them

A discount is the LEAST you should expect, but I agree it is unlikely to happen, good luck

Plan B - just drive the 'S' home from Portugal... foot to the floor and don't look back

mr.bill · Mar 4th, 2002, 09:59 AM

Paul, another concern might be operating costs, since petrol is not exactly cheap in the UK. Premium fuel is required and the S is going to get about 25% poorer mileage than the Cooper or One. "It's a performance car, not an economy car." If you drive it hard, the maintenance costs will be higher too. Not to mention the traffic coppers will come to know you on a first name basis. The S will probably cost more initially due to high demand and low supply. Given the MINI's track record thus far, you can expect the S to have some problems early on, so you might be wise to wait a bit anyway to give them time to sort out any problems with the supercharger. I realize they have done a lot of testing, but they tested the originals too. "Never buy the first model of anything."

Jakx · Mar 4th, 2002, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Paul_Mullett
. . . It would be nice . . . But unlikely me thinks.

Methinks that you couldn`t be bought that easily Paul ? . . . but you could be given a car as an unpaid longterm S tester.

That would surely be almost ideal (for you & BMW) - any problems with the S are going to be aired here at MINI2 above anywhere else in the World anyway so who better to run and post regular S reports directly to the factory?

If not, there`s always me of course, here for the UK . . mr.bill for the US (he`d give BMW`s `ears` a good bashing, Basil in Oz . . . . . . . ?

Seriously Paul you should request/negotiate a longterm user test deal - I dare BMW to do it!

Just tell them that we asked you to ask !

Jakx · Mar 4th, 2002, 12:40 PM

Have you asked yet Paul . . . sorry, just trying to keep this near the top!

minimatt · Mar 4th, 2002, 12:41 PM

I'm still not sure about the looks of the 'S'. I havent seen one in the flesh, but from pictures i've seen i'm not sure on the following:

1. Lack of Chrome.
2. Front Grill - especially the darker colours.
3. Rear exhaust - although i'm sure it's gonna sound sweet!
4. Petrol filler cap.

This is all of course, in my opinion. If it's the speed thing then wack a turbo on a Cooper, it'll p**s all over an 'S'!!!

Jakx · Mar 4th, 2002, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AV51HCC
I'm still not sure about the looks of the 'S'. I havent seen one in the flesh, but from pictures i've seen i'm not sure on the following:

1. Lack of Chrome.
2. Front Grill - especially the darker colours.
3. Rear exhaust - although i'm sure it's gonna sound sweet!
4. Petrol filler cap.

This is all of course, in my opinion. If it's the speed thing then wack a turbo on a Cooper, it'll p**s all over an 'S'!!!

I only agree with you about 3. & 4. both naff in my most humble opinion.

minimatt · Mar 4th, 2002, 12:56 PM

I've attached this pic of a Cooper, i nicked it off someone on Mini2 (sorry, don't remember who!) & made it black, lowered it about 30mm and put two single exhausts on the back (paintshop pro). It's got the 'S' spokes on too. IMO i rekon that looks better than the 'S'. What do u think?

Garry · Mar 4th, 2002, 01:08 PM

AV

Very nice picture and photoshop mods!!!!! That is one I took at the **** Lovett dealership in Bristol. Originally the car was Indi Blue, and that car is on the road as a demonstrater.

The twin exhausts look very nice! I agree that the S may be missing some of the nice chrome compared with the Cooper.

Cheers

Garry

sixfoot6 · Mar 4th, 2002, 01:35 PM

I'd have to agree...

I honestly wouldn't be half as 'fired-up' about ordering my new S if it wasn't for this website, and this community.

A heavy discount for Mr Mullet would be well deserved, BMW.

And thanks Paul.

sixfoot6

Mar 3rd, 2002, 08:36 PM	#1
BruceK Moderator & Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: San Antonio, Texas Local Time: 06:43 PM Posts: 3,758 Offline	Paul - want a Cooper S or not? Okay Paul , For a little while know your sig has been: "Enough of the small torque... I want an 'S'! (I think)" You think?! Fess up! Are you just being coy until you actually get you hands on a Cooper S and thrash it about (in less then 2 weeks now ), or are you really uncertain you'll like it? Hmmmm....? + 2002 MINI Cooper S - Dark Silver / White roof, Sport, Premium, Lapis blue leather + 1965 Mini Traveller - Tartan Red / White roof, 1275, Cooper S discs, fully restored/renewed

Mar 3rd, 2002, 08:50 PM	#2 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 12:43 AM Posts: 40,356 Offline	Well.... It's money. Base UK Cooper S = £14,500. (Not I was saying £14,700 from early spring/early summer last year, close but no cigar!) Anyway... I've specced a Cooper up... Base 11,600. Solid colour (red and white) No cost DSC £300 Head airbags front and rear £200 Remote alarm £200 Heated jets and mirrors £40 First aid riangle and kit £35 ISOFIX £20 Headlamp power wash £100 Manual Air Con £600 On board CPU £100 CD Player £70 Boost £135 CD Prep Free! Chili pack £1000 TLC £100 = £14,530. £30 more than a Cooper S, and all those creature comforts and goodies....... It'll take a lot to persuad me the Cooper S is worth it for my average usage! And yes, the trip to Portugal will probably be the decider! Our trials and tribulations living in a "bleeding edge" eco house... Oxley Woods Living

Mar 3rd, 2002, 09:05 PM	#3 (permalink)
ant MINI2 Regular Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Elland (nr. Halifax) Local Time: 01:43 AM Posts: 195 Offline	Quote: And yes, the trip to Portugal will probably be the decider! Need anyone to carry your bags??? Ant Indie Blue/White Cooper ordered - Expecting Late March... hang on - make that mid March. No, wait - it's here!!!!!!!!!! Woo Hoo!!!

Mar 3rd, 2002, 10:04 PM	#4 (permalink)
mad hatter MINI2 Regular Join Date: Feb 2002 Local Time: 07:43 PM Posts: 124 Offline	The creature comforts are nice but in the end all I need is a little tred left on the tires when someone comes breathing up my exhaust pipe(s), ok maybe a good CD jamin on the H/K... Have fun deciding Nothing like the Duval crawl DS/W S

Mar 4th, 2002, 05:20 AM	#5 (permalink)
smiffy MINI2 Master Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Here Local Time: 12:43 AM Posts: 5,718 Offline	The cost thing was the main reason I ordered a ONE. I could have all the little extra's i wanted for just over the basic price of a Cooper. You have to conside the cost of Insurance too. Maybe a Cooper S in a few years S for Smiffy "Kids in the front seat cause accidents, accidents in the backseat cause kids!"

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Mar 4th, 2002, 05:42 AM	#6 (permalink)
ant MINI2 Regular Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Elland (nr. Halifax) Local Time: 01:43 AM Posts: 195 Offline	Quote: Maybe a Cooper S in a few years That's my plan! Damn insurance companies ... (No offence ) Ant Indie Blue/White Cooper ordered - Expecting Late March... hang on - make that mid March. No, wait - it's here!!!!!!!!!! Woo Hoo!!!

Mar 4th, 2002, 06:54 AM	#7 (permalink)
Basil MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2001 Local Time: 10:43 AM Posts: 5,956 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Paul_Mullett Well.... It's money. Base UK Cooper S = £14,500. (Not I was saying £14,700 from early spring/early summer last year, close but no cigar!) Anyway... I've specced a Cooper up... Base 11,600. Solid colour (red and white) No cost DSC £300 Head airbags front and rear £200 Remote alarm £200 Heated jets and mirrors £40 First aid riangle and kit £35 ISOFIX £20 Headlamp power wash £100 Manual Air Con £600 On board CPU £100 CD Player £70 Boost £135 CD Prep Free! Chili pack £1000 TLC £100 = £14,530. £30 more than a Cooper S, and all those creature comforts and goodies....... It'll take a lot to persuad me the Cooper S is worth it for my average usage! And yes, the trip to Portugal will probably be the decider! You said it.........But It's ONLY Money !!. Once driven, forever smitten.... Odds on you end up buying an S over the "loaded" Cooper. PS. Have you included your BMW Discount ?. If ANYONE deserves a cheaper MINI, it's got to be the owner of this site.

Mar 4th, 2002, 08:52 AM	#8 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 12:43 AM Posts: 40,356 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Basil Have you included your BMW Discount ?. If ANYONE deserves a cheaper MINI, it's got to be the owner of this site. If anyone from MINI is reading this, take note... It would be nice. But unlikely me thinks. Our trials and tribulations living in a "bleeding edge" eco house... Oxley Woods Living

Mar 4th, 2002, 09:10 AM	#9 (permalink)
cmt MINI2 Lurker + Sponsor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Westhoughton, NW Eng Local Time: 01:43 AM Posts: 1,208 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Paul_Mullett If anyone from MINI is reading this, take note... It would be nice. But unlikely me thinks. I'd push for a FREE one Paul I reckon you've done more than £14,000 worth of Market Research for them A discount is the LEAST you should expect, but I agree it is unlikely to happen, good luck Plan B - just drive the 'S' home from Portugal... foot to the floor and don't look back Currently driving: Silver Volkswagen Lupo GTi, 6 speed, 125bhp

Mar 4th, 2002, 09:59 AM	#10 (permalink)
mr.bill MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: USA Local Time: 12:43 AM Posts: 577 Offline	Paul, another concern might be operating costs, since petrol is not exactly cheap in the UK. Premium fuel is required and the S is going to get about 25% poorer mileage than the Cooper or One. "It's a performance car, not an economy car." If you drive it hard, the maintenance costs will be higher too. Not to mention the traffic coppers will come to know you on a first name basis. The S will probably cost more initially due to high demand and low supply. Given the MINI's track record thus far, you can expect the S to have some problems early on, so you might be wise to wait a bit anyway to give them time to sort out any problems with the supercharger. I realize they have done a lot of testing, but they tested the originals too. "Never buy the first model of anything."

Mar 4th, 2002, 11:48 AM	#11 (permalink)
Jakx MINI2 Senior Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bedfordshire ENGLAND Local Time: 01:43 AM Posts: 632 Offline	Wanted . . unpaid S tester Quote: Originally posted by Paul_Mullett . . . It would be nice . . . But unlikely me thinks. Methinks that you couldn`t be bought that easily Paul ? . . . but you could be given a car as an unpaid longterm S tester. That would surely be almost ideal (for you & BMW) - any problems with the S are going to be aired here at MINI2 above anywhere else in the World anyway so who better to run and post regular S reports directly to the factory? If not, there`s always me of course, here for the UK . . mr.bill for the US (he`d give BMW`s `ears` a good bashing, Basil in Oz . . . . . . . ? Seriously Paul you should request/negotiate a longterm user test deal - I dare BMW to do it! Just tell them that we asked you to ask ! Last edited by Jakx : Mar 4th, 2002 at 11:52 AM.

Mar 4th, 2002, 12:40 PM	#12 (permalink)
Jakx MINI2 Senior Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bedfordshire ENGLAND Local Time: 01:43 AM Posts: 632 Offline	? Have you asked yet Paul . . . sorry, just trying to keep this near the top!

Mar 4th, 2002, 12:41 PM	#13 (permalink)
minimatt MINI2 Regular Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cambridgeshire, Engl Local Time: 12:43 AM Posts: 323 Offline	I'm still not sure about the looks of the 'S'. I havent seen one in the flesh, but from pictures i've seen i'm not sure on the following: 1. Lack of Chrome. 2. Front Grill - especially the darker colours. 3. Rear exhaust - although i'm sure it's gonna sound sweet! 4. Petrol filler cap. This is all of course, in my opinion. If it's the speed thing then wack a turbo on a Cooper, it'll p**s all over an 'S'!!!

Mar 4th, 2002, 12:48 PM	#14 (permalink)
Jakx MINI2 Senior Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bedfordshire ENGLAND Local Time: 01:43 AM Posts: 632 Offline	naffness Quote: Originally posted by AV51HCC I'm still not sure about the looks of the 'S'. I havent seen one in the flesh, but from pictures i've seen i'm not sure on the following: 1. Lack of Chrome. 2. Front Grill - especially the darker colours. 3. Rear exhaust - although i'm sure it's gonna sound sweet! 4. Petrol filler cap. This is all of course, in my opinion. If it's the speed thing then wack a turbo on a Cooper, it'll p**s all over an 'S'!!! I only agree with you about 3. & 4. both naff in my most humble opinion.

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Mar 4th, 2002, 12:56 PM	#15 (permalink)
minimatt MINI2 Regular Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cambridgeshire, Engl Local Time: 12:43 AM Posts: 323 Offline	I've attached this pic of a Cooper, i nicked it off someone on Mini2 (sorry, don't remember who!) & made it black, lowered it about 30mm and put two single exhausts on the back (paintshop pro). It's got the 'S' spokes on too. IMO i rekon that looks better than the 'S'. What do u think? Attached Thumbnails

Mar 4th, 2002, 01:08 PM	#16 (permalink)
Garry MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Bristol, UK Local Time: 12:43 AM Posts: 213 Offline	AV Very nice picture and photoshop mods!!!!! That is one I took at the ** Lovett dealership in Bristol. Originally the car was Indi Blue, and that car is on the road as a demonstrater. The twin exhausts look very nice! I agree that the S may be missing some of the nice chrome compared with the Cooper. Cheers Garry Cooper Delivered 11 Jan 02** - Chili red with white roof, sunroof, chili, 17" wheels, trip, ASC, radio boost & CD stack, alarm, climate control

Mar 4th, 2002, 01:35 PM	#17 (permalink)
sixfoot6 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Orange County, California Local Time: 05:43 PM Posts: 218 Offline	agreed... I'd have to agree... I honestly wouldn't be half as 'fired-up' about ordering my new S if it wasn't for this website, and this community. A heavy discount for Mr Mullet would be well deserved, BMW. And thanks Paul. sixfoot6

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