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| Moderator & Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: San Antonio, Texas Local Time: 06:52 PM
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Offline | First published driving report on the Cooper S Kudos and congratulations to Paul Mullett for the first published driving report anywhere on the Cooper S! Well done and with great pictures. ![]() http://www.mini2.com/news/news.php?id=108 Thanks! + 2002 MINI Cooper S - Dark Silver / White roof, Sport, Premium, Lapis blue leather + 1965 Mini Traveller - Tartan Red / White roof, 1275, Cooper S discs, fully restored/renewed |
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| Trained Monkey Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 12:52 AM
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Offline | It really was a pleasure. Fire away with anything you think I've missed or anything else you want to know, you can only put so much in a review. ![]() Our trials and tribulations living in a "bleeding edge" eco house... Oxley Woods Living |
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| MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Oxford Local Time: 01:52 AM
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Offline | Are you going to buy one ? I know you were thinking about going for a highly spec'd Cooper instead of an S. Has this weekend made up your mind ? Thanks for a great article. Colin It's not how fast you go that matters BUT how you go fast. |
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| MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Perth Local Time: 12:52 AM
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Offline | You say that the power is best at 2.5k to 3k revs. Does it die as you rev higher or is it quite a flat torque curve. Also what is the in gear acceleration like? Were the cars run-in or can we expect some more performance. Did anyone do an accurate 0-60 run? Well done on a good report. Cooper, Silver with Black Roof. Full Black Leather, Chilli, ASC+T Fully Run-in and Fast as Hell!(for a 1600) Track Days rule...... Speed Camera's Don't!!! |
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| MINI2 Master | From the new Red/White Cooper S pictures that will grace my screen until mine arrives, to the confirmation that the Getrag 6-spd is the improvement I was hoping for (2500 in 6th, sweet!) that was a pleasure to read. While I'm sure the trip to Portugal, and zipping around in a Cooper S for two days wasn't too hard on you, thank-you for the honest review. I'm glad that it stood up to the expectations of someone who has built it up in his mind as much as the rest of us has. You've just earned my magazine money for this month. I'm becoming a sponsor. Right now. Chilli Red/White Cooper S, Sport Pack & Sunroof. Delivered June 12th, 2002!Now with MCS Winter Tire Package. |
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Offline | Paul, Did you feel the full leather seats were more slippery in spirited driving vs. the cloth seats? Oh, and did you have a chance to record any audio of the engine? ![]() + 2002 MINI Cooper S - Dark Silver / White roof, Sport, Premium, Lapis blue leather + 1965 Mini Traveller - Tartan Red / White roof, 1275, Cooper S discs, fully restored/renewed |
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| Trained Monkey Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 12:52 AM
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Offline | Typo! Whoops! 2.5 to 5k revs is more like it. Our trials and tribulations living in a "bleeding edge" eco house... Oxley Woods Living |
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Offline | That's a more reasonable power band then. So is the low down grunt a lot better than the cooper? Does it still have any flat spots like the cooper "3750 power dip" ? Edited to say - The news has already spread to the EVO forum so maybe one of the rich guy's on there might give some sponsorship money. I would but i'm a poor student in 700 quids worth of debt. Cooper, Silver with Black Roof. Full Black Leather, Chilli, ASC+T Fully Run-in and Fast as Hell!(for a 1600) Track Days rule...... Speed Camera's Don't!!! Last edited by MadMiniManiac : Mar 18th, 2002 at 02:40 PM. |
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| Trained Monkey Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 12:52 AM
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Offline | Seating. Space cloth, it was the silver/grey and black finish (I'll post some pictures soon, too scruffy to grace the article). The leather seats where blue/grey. Both were very comfortable and grippy, the leather were a huge improvement on the non-sports leather seats. My co-driver on day one, from Classic & Sports Car magazine was uncomfortable in the leather seats (which had lumbar support) after a while stuck in a traffic jam, I felt they were fine, but I had the lumbar support as far out the way as possible, I don't like it much for myself. The cloth seats looked a bit odd to me, not so keen on the silver, looked a bit plain. But, the fact they had no pattern in the cloth also made the rear seats in particular look larger. Our trials and tribulations living in a "bleeding edge" eco house... Oxley Woods Living |
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| MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: UK Local Time: 12:52 AM
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Offline | Paul On a scale of 1 to 10 where would you place the Cooper vs the Cooper S in performance. Im talking day to day usable power rather than on the track. Cooper Silver/Black Chili Climate Auto 17"S Spke Xenon etc.... |
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Offline | How Many Miles Paul? How many miles did the S's have on the clock ?? My Cooper didnt start to loosen up for at least 2000 miles. ![]() Roblad New MINI....more than the sum of its parts. |
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| MINI2 Master | Did the S feel any heavier than the Cooper when chucking it about? Does the S engine make the car any quirkier, or is it still an easy drive? Any idea what the Xenon interior lighting on the S was? Shifting into Reverse? Can you do it by accident when downshifting from 2nd? Any more shots from your adventure, regardless of how 'polished' they are? Think they'll turn up in your gallery (hint, hint, nudge, nudge, wink, wink). Chilli Red/White Cooper S, Sport Pack & Sunroof. Delivered June 12th, 2002!Now with MCS Winter Tire Package. |
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| MINI2 Senior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pasadena, CA Local Time: 04:52 PM
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Offline | Apart from the engine noise, is the transmission audible? Did you have any problems engaging first gear? And did you try skipping gears from 1st->3rd, 4th->5th, etc...? How well does it decelerate when you ease of the throttle? And how good was the braking? Road and track had unimpressive figures for the Cooper which were 60-0 in 143 feet, 80-0 in 253 ft. I'm assuming that the 175 tires were part of the problem, as well as the fact that they engage ABS by slamming their foot down. Was braking on the 17s significantly better? Is that EB on 16s? The photos look great. Although a few could use some PS work to correct the sloping horizon line. |
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| MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: rustington west sussex Local Time: 12:52 AM
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Offline | paul your in the same boat as me cooper s vs cooper with all the trimmings as my cooper has been rejected i have the chance to order an s as a replacement im haveing a very hard time deciding what one to get cooper fully loaded or an s with chili pack (any one know a price and what you get yet) I keep talking myself in to getting one then the other after driving the s what one are you going for |
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| MINI2 Sponsor & Moderator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: North Carolina Local Time: 07:52 PM
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Offline | Nice article Paul. You solidified my choice for the S. I mailed off my specs to my dealer today. Can't wait to get that call.....ohh shivers..... -Mike "As cunning as a fox named Cunning...." |
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| Trained Monkey Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 12:52 AM
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Offline | I'll try and answer some more q's later on. Regarding first/reverse. There's no way you could go from 2nd to reverse in error, but I did go from other gears or neutral into reverse three times, normally when at a stand still, but fortunately not when parked on the cliff edge! This I am sure is partly due to swapping to RHD. Our trials and tribulations living in a "bleeding edge" eco house... Oxley Woods Living |
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| MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Berkshire Hills of Massachusetts Local Time: 12:52 AM
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Offline | Thank you for the review. It makes me feel better about waiting it out for an S. (I was kind of hoping you would be down on the car so that people who are ahead of me on the waiting list would go for the cooper instead.) |
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