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Paul · Mar 18th, 2002, 02:45 PM

Oh yes....

Pics to follow.

New seat mechanism that is REALLY easy to use, also with added large "PUSH" instructions fitted to the Cooper S's in Lisbon, will be standard fit, much better!

BrantV · Mar 18th, 2002, 03:32 PM

Any squeaks?

Paul · Mar 18th, 2002, 03:43 PM

Not that I heard.

But remember, these are reviewer ready vehicles.

Paul · Mar 18th, 2002, 04:21 PM

Click on the image for full size.

Lever on outside operates tilt and slide. Inner lever operates seat back adjustment.

Damo · Mar 18th, 2002, 06:41 PM

I think its a better idea and looks better. I hope my Mini will have them in May. Will save a lot of trouble, thats IF, and I mean IF, I let people in the back and thats IF, thats IF, I don't remove the back seats anyway!

Apial · Mar 18th, 2002, 07:06 PM

I think its time the lever was rethought out from an ergonomic point of view.

The lever should be set at a position suitable for a standing person to comfortably operate without having to stoop down. MINIs are not driven by mini sized people.

My MINI seat still requires a hard shove to move it along its sliding track. A design that had a smoother action would be more welcome.

The new design lever improves the operational logic of the seat mechanism at least. Further improvements would now be welcome.

ELISEBOY · Mar 18th, 2002, 07:11 PM

i got my car at the start of this month so maybe as its newer i am lucky but i have never had a problem with the seats?

Push lever down, slide seat forward, push seat back from base, when all the way back push the back of the seat back and it locks in the original position?

MitchyBoy · Mar 18th, 2002, 08:12 PM

Is there anything wrong with having to use a modicum of common sense? Maybe life wasn't always meant to be easy. That said there's nothing wrong with improving the seat mechanism, I just don't think that the old one was that bad. By the way, do other people have squeaky front seats like mine? I have a feeling it's coming from the seat belt buckles? Anybody know of any remedies?

MitchyBoy

gromit · Mar 18th, 2002, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MitchyBoy
Is there anything wrong with having to use a modicum of common sense? Maybe life wasn't always meant to be easy.
MitchyBoy

Not a matter of "common sense" (which life experience quickly proves isn't common). It *is* a design flaw. I have operated seat mechanisms for about 30 years. Never jammed one until the Toronto Auto Show. The MINI spokesmodel/bim attempted to explain how they needed to be operated to avoid jamming them. I explained to her (using small words) that if a mechanism as simple as a seat latch needs to be explained, it needs to be redesigned. The problem is with the design not the user. I got a blank look from the bim but apparently MINI agreed.

chiph · Mar 18th, 2002, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Paul_Mullett
Lever on outside operates tilt and slide. Inner lever operates seat back adjustment.

Sounds very logical. After all, you don't adjust the seatback every day unless you're sharing the car with someone, and judging by the jealous owners around here, that doesn't seem too likely

So putting the adjuster on the inside is a brilliant idea, and leaving the Tilt'n'Slide™ control on the outside where the rear passengers can get at it is the Right Thing To Do.

Chip H.

Basil · Mar 19th, 2002, 03:03 AM

Thats good, OnlyS4me will be pleased that he correctly spotted this in a show photo a month or so ago.

It also appears that lumber support is standard on the half leather/cloth sports seats too. Can you confirm that Paul, on any of the demo's you drove ?

The longer we wait.....the better it gets !!!

M · Mar 19th, 2002, 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gromit

Not a matter of "common sense" (which life experience quickly proves isn't common). It *is* a design flaw. I have operated seat mechanisms for about 30 years. Never jammed one until the Toronto Auto Show. The MINI spokesmodel/bim attempted to explain how they needed to be operated to avoid jamming them. I explained to her (using small words) that if a mechanism as simple as a seat latch needs to be explained, it needs to be redesigned. The problem is with the design not the user. I got a blank look from the bim but apparently MINI agreed.

That was a very pompous, self important post gromit, I trust the most offensive anti female parts were meant in jest.

Damo · Mar 19th, 2002, 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gromit

Not a matter of "common sense" (which life experience quickly proves isn't common). It *is* a design flaw. I have operated seat mechanisms for about 30 years. Never jammed one until the Toronto Auto Show. The MINI spokesmodel/bim attempted to explain how they needed to be operated to avoid jamming them. I explained to her (using small words) that if a mechanism as simple as a seat latch needs to be explained, it needs to be redesigned. The problem is with the design not the user. I got a blank look from the bim but apparently MINI agreed.

I couldn't agree more!

Basil · Mar 19th, 2002, 06:21 AM

Here we go..........

Chill pills anyone. ?

If no one did anything, no one could get anything wrong... MINI have acknowledged there was a problem with the seat mechanism, and have now rectified the matter.

sheesh........

Oh and gromit....... there are loads of female members here on MINI2, who may take offence at your use of the word "bim". And I know, I know, sometimes it's hard to read posts in context, so apologise if you didn't quite mean what you said.

controversy is good................sometimes.

cheers........

Damo · Mar 19th, 2002, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Basil
controversy is good................sometimes.

Where ever there's controversey your not far behind Basil

Basil · Mar 19th, 2002, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Damo

Where ever there's controversey your not far behind Basil

sometimes leading the way................

gromit · Mar 19th, 2002, 07:41 AM

But she *was* a dim bulb and knew nothing of the MINI except how to look cute standing next to it. I know this from spending quite a bit of time at the display and speaking to her directly and observing her interactions with other customers. The most basic questions were met with little understanding or appropriate (correct) response. If the spokesmodel had been a male he would have been a him-bo, in fact there was one of those there too. He couldn't tell me where the oil filter was.

I do get a kick out of how quickly a "tounge in cheek" post gets elevated to "pompous and self important".

BTW- my intelligent and caring wife thought the spokesmodel was a bim too.

And why does my characterization of one female as a "bim" make me "anti female". Does someone who is "pro female" (whatever that is) deny that any female could be incompetent at her job or less intelligent than another person? I'd be the first to say I know LOTS of dumb men (myself too sometimes, my wife just nudged me and said "regularly"). Am I anti male?

OOPS gotta edit this in:

If anyone male, female, whatever, took this post or any previous post of mine to be demeaning, degrading, mean spirited or anti(fill in blank), it is not my purpose or intent to offend. I apoligise if it was taken the wrong way. Was it McLuhan that said if a message fails it is always the fault of the sender? I take responsibility for a poorly worded post.

Damo · Mar 19th, 2002, 07:51 AM

I agree there ARE Bimbo's out there! Hell I bet most women have seen some woman doing something stupid or and I wager they at least thought "dumb bimbo".

Doesn't mean it's anti female!

Does anyone here watch the Excellent West wing! Top program! It made me laugh when a pro female equal rights woman was protesting against the inclusion of an equal rights for women amendment to the....erm whats that American thing.... the amendments thingy. No matter... oh yeah bill of equal rites! *L* Anyway no one could understand why a pro female equal rights woman was against it! Then she explained. "Because I beleive that we don't need it as if you read the original Human rights it says "all people are entitled to equal rights". I class my self as a person, I don't beleive it should be all people are entitled to equal rights including women"

Made me laugh! Its soooo true. Why do we have to have these stupid equal rights for men and women things in the first place! Women are people to aren't they....or are they!

Anyway enough of that Tangent

Basil · Mar 19th, 2002, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gromit
I'd be the first to say I know LOTS of dumb men

Well, my hand's up !!!......

jcuthell · Mar 19th, 2002, 08:02 AM

Paul,
Firstly thank you for your sterling efforts canning the Cooper S in sunny Portugal.

Secondly do you know when this new mechanism goes into production?

Best,

James

Mar 18th, 2002, 02:45 PM	#1
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 12:56 AM Posts: 40,356 Offline	The seat mechanism has been changed! Oh yes.... Pics to follow. New seat mechanism that is REALLY easy to use, also with added large "PUSH" instructions fitted to the Cooper S's in Lisbon, will be standard fit, much better! Our trials and tribulations living in a "bleeding edge" eco house... Oxley Woods Living

Mar 18th, 2002, 03:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 12:56 AM Posts: 40,356 Offline	Not that I heard. But remember, these are reviewer ready vehicles. Our trials and tribulations living in a "bleeding edge" eco house... Oxley Woods Living

Mar 18th, 2002, 04:21 PM	#4 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 12:56 AM Posts: 40,356 Offline	Click on the image for full size. Lever on outside operates tilt and slide. Inner lever operates seat back adjustment. Our trials and tribulations living in a "bleeding edge" eco house... Oxley Woods Living

Mar 18th, 2002, 07:06 PM	#6 (permalink)
Apial MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Lincolnshire Wolds Local Time: 12:56 AM Posts: 819 Offline	Seat lever I think its time the lever was rethought out from an ergonomic point of view. The lever should be set at a position suitable for a standing person to comfortably operate without having to stoop down. MINIs are not driven by mini sized people. My MINI seat still requires a hard shove to move it along its sliding track. A design that had a smoother action would be more welcome. The new design lever improves the operational logic of the seat mechanism at least. Further improvements would now be welcome. Balloons? http://www.loony-balloony.co.uk

Mar 18th, 2002, 08:12 PM	#8 (permalink)
MitchyBoy MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Manchester Local Time: 12:56 AM Posts: 74 Offline	Is there anything wrong with having to use a modicum of common sense? Maybe life wasn't always meant to be easy. That said there's nothing wrong with improving the seat mechanism, I just don't think that the old one was that bad. By the way, do other people have squeaky front seats like mine? I have a feeling it's coming from the seat belt buckles? Anybody know of any remedies? MitchyBoy The Ever Mellow Master of Yellow!! http://www.mini2.com/gallery/personal/index.php?gallery=MitchyBoy

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Mar 18th, 2002, 03:32 PM	#2 (permalink)
BrantV MINI2 Senior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pasadena, CA Local Time: 04:56 PM Posts: 560 Offline	Any squeaks?

Mar 18th, 2002, 06:41 PM	#5 (permalink)
Damo MINI2fosi My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: MINItorque.com Local Time: 12:56 AM Posts: 10,526 Offline	I think its a better idea and looks better. I hope my Mini will have them in May. Will save a lot of trouble, thats IF, and I mean IF, I let people in the back and thats IF, thats IF, I don't remove the back seats anyway!

Mar 18th, 2002, 07:11 PM	#7 (permalink)
ELISEBOY MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Essex Local Time: 01:56 AM Posts: 2,163 Offline	i got my car at the start of this month so maybe as its newer i am lucky but i have never had a problem with the seats? Push lever down, slide seat forward, push seat back from base, when all the way back push the back of the seat back and it locks in the original position?

Mar 18th, 2002, 09:03 PM	#9 (permalink)
gromit Bad Dog, Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Rochester, NY USA Local Time: 06:56 PM Posts: 813 Offline	They're counter intuitive Quote: Originally posted by MitchyBoy Is there anything wrong with having to use a modicum of common sense? Maybe life wasn't always meant to be easy. MitchyBoy Not a matter of "common sense" (which life experience quickly proves isn't common). It is a design flaw. I have operated seat mechanisms for about 30 years. Never jammed one until the Toronto Auto Show. The MINI spokesmodel/bim attempted to explain how they needed to be operated to avoid jamming them. I explained to her (using small words) that if a mechanism as simple as a seat latch needs to be explained, it needs to be redesigned. The problem is with the design not the user. I got a blank look from the bim but apparently MINI agreed. Chili Red / Black Roof Cooper "S", delivered Aug 5, 2002. If you have read this far you are obsessed - Make a donation to MINI2 and become a sponsor! Enjoy every sandwich. - Warren Zevon Last edited by gromit : Mar 18th, 2002 at 10:25 PM.

Mar 18th, 2002, 11:33 PM	#10 (permalink)
chiph Spectator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Raleigh, NC Local Time: 08:56 PM Posts: 1,563 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Paul_Mullett Lever on outside operates tilt and slide. Inner lever operates seat back adjustment. Sounds very logical. After all, you don't adjust the seatback every day unless you're sharing the car with someone, and judging by the jealous owners around here, that doesn't seem too likely So putting the adjuster on the inside is a brilliant idea, and leaving the Tilt'n'Slide™ control on the outside where the rear passengers can get at it is the Right Thing To Do. Chip H. ex-MINI Cooper S owner and all around good-guy

Mar 19th, 2002, 03:03 AM	#11 (permalink)
Basil MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2001 Local Time: 10:56 AM Posts: 5,956 Offline	Thats good, OnlyS4me will be pleased that he correctly spotted this in a show photo a month or so ago. It also appears that lumber support is standard on the half leather/cloth sports seats too. Can you confirm that Paul, on any of the demo's you drove ? The longer we wait.....the better it gets !!!

Mar 19th, 2002, 05:36 AM	#12 (permalink)
M MINI2 Senior Join Date: Oct 2001 Local Time: 12:56 AM Posts: 589 Offline	Re: They're counter intuitive Quote: Originally posted by gromit Not a matter of "common sense" (which life experience quickly proves isn't common). It is a design flaw. I have operated seat mechanisms for about 30 years. Never jammed one until the Toronto Auto Show. The MINI spokesmodel/bim attempted to explain how they needed to be operated to avoid jamming them. I explained to her (using small words) that if a mechanism as simple as a seat latch needs to be explained, it needs to be redesigned. The problem is with the design not the user. I got a blank look from the bim but apparently MINI agreed. That was a very pompous, self important post gromit, I trust the most offensive anti female parts were meant in jest. The eagle never saved so much time as when he submitted to learn from the crow.

Mar 19th, 2002, 05:39 AM	#13 (permalink)
Damo MINI2fosi My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: MINItorque.com Local Time: 12:56 AM Posts: 10,526 Offline	Re: They're counter intuitive Quote: Originally posted by gromit Not a matter of "common sense" (which life experience quickly proves isn't common). It is a design flaw. I have operated seat mechanisms for about 30 years. Never jammed one until the Toronto Auto Show. The MINI spokesmodel/bim attempted to explain how they needed to be operated to avoid jamming them. I explained to her (using small words) that if a mechanism as simple as a seat latch needs to be explained, it needs to be redesigned. The problem is with the design not the user. I got a blank look from the bim but apparently MINI agreed. I couldn't agree more!

Mar 19th, 2002, 06:21 AM	#14 (permalink)
Basil MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2001 Local Time: 10:56 AM Posts: 5,956 Offline	Bimbo's of the world unite.............. Here we go.......... Chill pills anyone. ? If no one did anything, no one could get anything wrong... MINI have acknowledged there was a problem with the seat mechanism, and have now rectified the matter. sheesh........ Oh and gromit....... there are loads of female members here on MINI2, who may take offence at your use of the word "bim". And I know, I know, sometimes it's hard to read posts in context, so apologise if you didn't quite mean what you said. controversy is good................sometimes. cheers........

Mar 19th, 2002, 07:10 AM	#15 (permalink)
Damo MINI2fosi My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: MINItorque.com Local Time: 12:56 AM Posts: 10,526 Offline	Re: Bimbo's of the world unite.............. Quote: Originally posted by Basil controversy is good................sometimes. Where ever there's controversey your not far behind Basil

Mar 19th, 2002, 07:39 AM	#16 (permalink)
Basil MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2001 Local Time: 10:56 AM Posts: 5,956 Offline	Re: Re: Bimbo's of the world unite.............. Quote: Originally posted by Damo Where ever there's controversey your not far behind Basil sometimes leading the way................

Mar 19th, 2002, 07:41 AM	#17 (permalink)
gromit Bad Dog, Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Rochester, NY USA Local Time: 06:56 PM Posts: 813 Offline	It was in jest.. But she was a dim bulb and knew nothing of the MINI except how to look cute standing next to it. I know this from spending quite a bit of time at the display and speaking to her directly and observing her interactions with other customers. The most basic questions were met with little understanding or appropriate (correct) response. If the spokesmodel had been a male he would have been a him-bo, in fact there was one of those there too. He couldn't tell me where the oil filter was. I do get a kick out of how quickly a "tounge in cheek" post gets elevated to "pompous and self important". BTW- my intelligent and caring wife thought the spokesmodel was a bim too. And why does my characterization of one female as a "bim" make me "anti female". Does someone who is "pro female" (whatever that is) deny that any female could be incompetent at her job or less intelligent than another person? I'd be the first to say I know LOTS of dumb men (myself too sometimes, my wife just nudged me and said "regularly"). Am I anti male? OOPS gotta edit this in: If anyone male, female, whatever, took this post or any previous post of mine to be demeaning, degrading, mean spirited or anti(fill in blank), it is not my purpose or intent to offend. I apoligise if it was taken the wrong way. Was it McLuhan that said if a message fails it is always the fault of the sender? I take responsibility for a poorly worded post. Chili Red / Black Roof Cooper "S", delivered Aug 5, 2002. If you have read this far you are obsessed - Make a donation to MINI2 and become a sponsor! Enjoy every sandwich. - Warren Zevon Last edited by gromit : Mar 19th, 2002 at 08:13 AM.

Mar 19th, 2002, 07:51 AM	#18 (permalink)
Damo MINI2fosi My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: MINItorque.com Local Time: 12:56 AM Posts: 10,526 Offline	I agree there ARE Bimbo's out there! Hell I bet most women have seen some woman doing something stupid or and I wager they at least thought "dumb bimbo". Doesn't mean it's anti female! Does anyone here watch the Excellent West wing! Top program! It made me laugh when a pro female equal rights woman was protesting against the inclusion of an equal rights for women amendment to the....erm whats that American thing.... the amendments thingy. No matter... oh yeah bill of equal rites! L Anyway no one could understand why a pro female equal rights woman was against it! Then she explained. "Because I beleive that we don't need it as if you read the original Human rights it says "all people are entitled to equal rights". I class my self as a person, I don't beleive it should be all people are entitled to equal rights including women" Made me laugh! Its soooo true. Why do we have to have these stupid equal rights for men and women things in the first place! Women are people to aren't they....or are they! Anyway enough of that Tangent Last edited by Damo : Mar 19th, 2002 at 07:53 AM.

Mar 19th, 2002, 07:53 AM	#19 (permalink)
Basil MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2001 Local Time: 10:56 AM Posts: 5,956 Offline	Re: Quote: Originally posted by gromit I'd be the first to say I know LOTS of dumb men Well, my hand's up !!!......

Mar 19th, 2002, 08:02 AM	#20 (permalink)
jcuthell MINI2 Regular Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Essex Local Time: 12:56 AM Posts: 279 Offline	Paul, Firstly thank you for your sterling efforts canning the Cooper S in sunny Portugal. Secondly do you know when this new mechanism goes into production? Best, James September 3 2004 HB/HB Cooper S, dark glass, Chili, chrome interior, Sony CDX F7500 anthracite headlining,

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