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MiniCyclist · Feb 11th, 2004, 03:51 PM

This may be a dumb question to some, especially since this is a mini forum, but if you could buy a used TT w/ 20-30K on the ticker or a brand new MCS for the same price, and you got all the options you wanted in both cars, which would you opt for and why?

Warranty doesn't count...let's say the TT is certified to 100k to make that an even playing field....

Chris A · Feb 11th, 2004, 03:57 PM

What engine in the TT? Isn't the standard one much slower than the MCS?

MiniCyclist · Feb 11th, 2004, 04:03 PM

Good point. 225HP, 1.8T, Quattro, 6spd., 0-60 in roughly 6.5

I am finding 01s with that set up and roughly 30k on the ticker for 24-26 grand...

S33BBY · Feb 11th, 2004, 04:08 PM

For me it would be an MCS. This is simply because when I look at any MINI, I think it's amazing, whereas a TT no longer does anything for me.

AmRov · Feb 11th, 2004, 04:16 PM

Depends on what's more important -- speed off the line, or handling ability. Check out Road & Track (Road Test Summary, in every issue) -- the MCS beat almost every car R&T has tested in the slalom (combo speed and handling), including the TT, the Dodge Viper, and many others. 2 cars in the $400K+ range beat it, and the BoxsterS beat it (but not the 911). That says a lot!

Plus, as many posts here indicate, you can easily mod the MCS to boost the HP's to match (or get close to)the TT.

And lastly -- how important is a back seat to you?

URU · Feb 11th, 2004, 04:18 PM

TT's time has past... bring on the mini.

ButtonIt · Feb 11th, 2004, 04:24 PM

Standard MCS does 0-60 in just over 7 seconds. Will you notice a difference between that and the TT, probably not. But you will notice that into the bends an MCS will sh*t all over a TT

MCS wins my vote, well I would say that wouldn't I!!

MiniCyclist · Feb 11th, 2004, 04:33 PM

Yes, there is no handling arguement to be had. I guess I was just looking a bang for the buck...the used TT seems like a good deal, maybe I am wrong, and you can mod that 1.8T motor as easily (if not easier) than the MCS powerplant. Speaking of that, what kind of mods do the MCS guys do right off the bat to get closer to JCW power? $5000 is a lot to get to 200HP...the 1.8T guys seem to be able to "chip" their engines with good results.

Back seat...the mini has a better back seat than the TT hands down, but I wouldn't use it much in either vehicle. Most likely the seat woudl be down so I can store my bike racing crap.

v8voodoo · Feb 11th, 2004, 04:42 PM

IMO, the TT is due to be replaced with a "new" TT. Just watch the value plummet along with the desirablity of your TT.
I had an A3T before my MCS & although the build quality on my Audi was first class, I prefer my MINI for character and that handling......
The TT has had it's day now and is a bit passe....

Just my opinion..
Nige.

Fizzle · Feb 11th, 2004, 05:54 PM

i found myself in exactly the same position last month when i was ordering my mcs and found a 2002 TT, new model with the 18" wheels etc, 22k miles for only £17,500. it was only the 180bhp model though so that was waht made my mind up.

still thinkin of buyin it to have til i get my mini then trading it in without losing any money (hopefully). reason its so cheap is cos i work for a finance company and when the lease is up, or in this case the customer cant afford to pay for it staff are offered the cars at a cheap price. rarely any minis though.

MiniCyclist · Feb 11th, 2004, 06:04 PM

Hey Fizzle:

So I assume you have driven a TT and an MCS? Thoughts? Impressions?

The cool thing about the MCS is the strong following it has created in the past 2 years and the aftermarket has finally caught up with the demand of the tuners (that could be debated).

I have driven, modified and 4-wheeled Jeeps for the past 8 years...same story there...I am just ready to play on pavement.

The TT has sweet lines and I love it, but the more individual car forums I go to, the more other tuners knock it...I don't find the MCS getting knocked by anyone.

Fizzle · Feb 11th, 2004, 06:24 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MiniCyclist

Hey Fizzle:

So I assume you have driven a TT and an MCS? Thoughts? Impressions?

The cool thing about the MCS is the strong following it has created in the past 2 years and the aftermarket has finally caught up with the demand of the tuners (that could be debated).

I have driven, modified and 4-wheeled Jeeps for the past 8 years...same story there...I am just ready to play on pavement.

The TT has sweet lines and I love it, but the more individual car forums I go to, the more other tuners knock it...I don't find the MCS getting knocked by anyone.

i havnt actually driven a 180bhp TT and the one i'm interested in is down in birmingham and i'm in newcastle, in a way i dont want to drive it as i've made my mind up on the mcs (long term). driven the 225bhp TT and thats fast as

but hopefully i'm gonna get the BBR 220 conversion done on the mcs so it'll probably be even faster.

at the end of the day i'm only 20 and i'd feel like a bit of a poser in the TT where as everyone loves minis so i wouldnt worry about it.

MiniCyclist · Feb 11th, 2004, 06:44 PM

Feel like a poseur in a TT?

I actually have to agree...but I guess that also adds to my logic...many younger people could and can not afford a new TT...and many that could are people like my dad that buy them and drive them on the weekends. Now there are several 2000s and 2001s with 30k miles on the ticker and driven by people that liked the way they looked.

I would only get a 225TTQ, not a 180TT.

KenL · Feb 11th, 2004, 07:04 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MiniCyclist

Good point. 225HP, 1.8T, Quattro, 6spd., 0-60 in roughly 6.5

I am finding 01s with that set up and roughly 30k on the ticker for 24-26 grand...

That seems expensive, I thought a 225 TT not roadster was about £28k new.

MiniCyclist · Feb 11th, 2004, 09:16 PM

US Dollars. Sorry.

New they are roughly 36+

SteveM3 · Feb 11th, 2004, 09:32 PM

Lets see one car makes me smile everytime I see one and the other
I've never liked from new and it's saddled with Audi's generic wooden
steering. Not too difficult a choice

.
p.s. I was once an Audi fan owning a GT-5S, GT Fi and 90quattro
in succession for a very long time.

Ezzer · Feb 12th, 2004, 08:43 AM

Audi A3 1.8T, VW Golf GTi, Seat Leon 1.8T, Skoda Octiva (is that the one?) 1.8T

Driven 3 of them ..... nothing to say about them aside from - wooden steering, over sensitive brakes, soggy suspension/dampers. And by buying a TT, everytime you go past that Skoda or Golf......

bards · Feb 12th, 2004, 01:23 PM

A mate of mine has a 225 bhp TT which was bought at Cooper S money (£14995), however it is a 99v, LHD, 48000 miles. Very nice car, in silver with 18" Audi multispokes, heated leather seats, Bose sound plus the usual Audi refinements.

Suppose it depends whether you are in the market for a new car, and its quite a different thing to the mini. In my opinion both are nice cars, but very different.

dll · Feb 12th, 2004, 05:41 PM

I've been told there's a lot less interior room in the TT as compared to the MCS
making the TT uncomfortable for 6ft+ drivers. Can anyone confirm?

Feb 11th, 2004, 03:51 PM	#1
MiniCyclist MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City Local Time: 06:52 PM Posts: 10 Offline	MCS vs. Audi TT This may be a dumb question to some, especially since this is a mini forum, but if you could buy a used TT w/ 20-30K on the ticker or a brand new MCS for the same price, and you got all the options you wanted in both cars, which would you opt for and why? Warranty doesn't count...let's say the TT is certified to 100k to make that an even playing field....

Feb 11th, 2004, 03:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
Chris A Smiley Cooper Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Telford Local Time: 01:52 AM Posts: 126 Offline	What engine in the TT? Isn't the standard one much slower than the MCS? Smiley - '04 LY/W Cooper http://www.cashley.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/smileysig.jpg

Feb 11th, 2004, 04:08 PM	#4 (permalink)
S33BBY MINI2 Master Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hertfordshire Local Time: 12:52 AM Posts: 2,886 Online	For me it would be an MCS. This is simply because when I look at any MINI, I think it's amazing, whereas a TT no longer does anything for me. JCW Sound Kit \| H/K \| Sat Nav \| SS+ \| Xenons \| 17" Anthracite R90s \| Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3s \| ...

Feb 11th, 2004, 04:16 PM	#5 (permalink)
AmRov Scoopersized! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Heart of Texas Local Time: 07:52 PM Posts: 1,512 Offline	Depends on what's more important -- speed off the line, or handling ability. Check out Road & Track (Road Test Summary, in every issue) -- the MCS beat almost every car R&T has tested in the slalom (combo speed and handling), including the TT, the Dodge Viper, and many others. 2 cars in the $400K+ range beat it, and the BoxsterS beat it (but not the 911). That says a lot! Plus, as many posts here indicate, you can easily mod the MCS to boost the HP's to match (or get close to)the TT. And lastly -- how important is a back seat to you? Look at that little S car go! [Sold 2/06]

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Feb 11th, 2004, 04:03 PM	#3 (permalink)
MiniCyclist MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City Local Time: 06:52 PM Posts: 10 Offline	Good point. 225HP, 1.8T, Quattro, 6spd., 0-60 in roughly 6.5 I am finding 01s with that set up and roughly 30k on the ticker for 24-26 grand...

Feb 11th, 2004, 04:24 PM	#7 (permalink)
ButtonIt The Disorganiser My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Waiting for others Local Time: 12:52 AM Posts: 15,379 Offline	Standard MCS does 0-60 in just over 7 seconds. Will you notice a difference between that and the TT, probably not. But you will notice that into the bends an MCS will sh*t all over a TT MCS wins my vote, well I would say that wouldn't I!! Sponsor our Rickshaw team, please click here for info

Feb 11th, 2004, 04:33 PM	#8 (permalink)
MiniCyclist MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City Local Time: 06:52 PM Posts: 10 Offline	Yes, there is no handling arguement to be had. I guess I was just looking a bang for the buck...the used TT seems like a good deal, maybe I am wrong, and you can mod that 1.8T motor as easily (if not easier) than the MCS powerplant. Speaking of that, what kind of mods do the MCS guys do right off the bat to get closer to JCW power? $5000 is a lot to get to 200HP...the 1.8T guys seem to be able to "chip" their engines with good results. Back seat...the mini has a better back seat than the TT hands down, but I wouldn't use it much in either vehicle. Most likely the seat woudl be down so I can store my bike racing crap.

Feb 11th, 2004, 04:42 PM	#9 (permalink)
v8voodoo MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2003 Location: Kent, UK. Local Time: 12:52 AM Posts: 182 Offline	IMO, the TT is due to be replaced with a "new" TT. Just watch the value plummet along with the desirablity of your TT. I had an A3T before my MCS & although the build quality on my Audi was first class, I prefer my MINI for character and that handling...... The TT has had it's day now and is a bit passe.... Just my opinion.. Nige. EB/W Cooper S, leather, 16" x-lites, climate, sunroof, heated seats, MFSW, Alpine CD. Whalen Shifter, Bonnet stripes, tints all round. Normally to be found in the outside lane of the M20.

Feb 11th, 2004, 05:54 PM	#10 (permalink)
Fizzle Maxin' and Relaxin' Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Newcastle Local Time: 01:52 AM Posts: 441 Offline	i found myself in exactly the same position last month when i was ordering my mcs and found a 2002 TT, new model with the 18" wheels etc, 22k miles for only £17,500. it was only the 180bhp model though so that was waht made my mind up. still thinkin of buyin it to have til i get my mini then trading it in without losing any money (hopefully). reason its so cheap is cos i work for a finance company and when the lease is up, or in this case the customer cant afford to pay for it staff are offered the cars at a cheap price. rarely any minis though.

Feb 11th, 2004, 06:04 PM	#11 (permalink)
MiniCyclist MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City Local Time: 06:52 PM Posts: 10 Offline	Hey Fizzle: So I assume you have driven a TT and an MCS? Thoughts? Impressions? The cool thing about the MCS is the strong following it has created in the past 2 years and the aftermarket has finally caught up with the demand of the tuners (that could be debated). I have driven, modified and 4-wheeled Jeeps for the past 8 years...same story there...I am just ready to play on pavement. The TT has sweet lines and I love it, but the more individual car forums I go to, the more other tuners knock it...I don't find the MCS getting knocked by anyone.

Feb 11th, 2004, 06:24 PM	#12 (permalink)
Fizzle Maxin' and Relaxin' Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Newcastle Local Time: 01:52 AM Posts: 441 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MiniCyclist Hey Fizzle: So I assume you have driven a TT and an MCS? Thoughts? Impressions? The cool thing about the MCS is the strong following it has created in the past 2 years and the aftermarket has finally caught up with the demand of the tuners (that could be debated). I have driven, modified and 4-wheeled Jeeps for the past 8 years...same story there...I am just ready to play on pavement. The TT has sweet lines and I love it, but the more individual car forums I go to, the more other tuners knock it...I don't find the MCS getting knocked by anyone. i havnt actually driven a 180bhp TT and the one i'm interested in is down in birmingham and i'm in newcastle, in a way i dont want to drive it as i've made my mind up on the mcs (long term). driven the 225bhp TT and thats fast as but hopefully i'm gonna get the BBR 220 conversion done on the mcs so it'll probably be even faster. at the end of the day i'm only 20 and i'd feel like a bit of a poser in the TT where as everyone loves minis so i wouldnt worry about it.

Feb 11th, 2004, 06:44 PM	#13 (permalink)
MiniCyclist MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City Local Time: 06:52 PM Posts: 10 Offline	Feel like a poseur in a TT? I actually have to agree...but I guess that also adds to my logic...many younger people could and can not afford a new TT...and many that could are people like my dad that buy them and drive them on the weekends. Now there are several 2000s and 2001s with 30k miles on the ticker and driven by people that liked the way they looked. I would only get a 225TTQ, not a 180TT.

Feb 11th, 2004, 07:04 PM	#14 (permalink)
KenL MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2002 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 12:52 AM Posts: 5,102 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MiniCyclist Good point. 225HP, 1.8T, Quattro, 6spd., 0-60 in roughly 6.5 I am finding 01s with that set up and roughly 30k on the ticker for 24-26 grand... That seems expensive, I thought a 225 TT not roadster was about £28k new. Red/Black R56 Cooper

Feb 11th, 2004, 09:16 PM	#15 (permalink)
MiniCyclist MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City Local Time: 06:52 PM Posts: 10 Offline	US Dollars. Sorry. New they are roughly 36+

Feb 11th, 2004, 09:32 PM	#16 (permalink)
SteveM3 MINI2 Master Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Malmesbury, Wilts Local Time: 12:52 AM Posts: 1,848 Offline	Lets see one car makes me smile everytime I see one and the other I've never liked from new and it's saddled with Audi's generic wooden steering. Not too difficult a choice . p.s. I was once an Audi fan owning a GT-5S, GT Fi and 90quattro in succession for a very long time.

Feb 12th, 2004, 08:43 AM	#17 (permalink)
Ezzer MINI2 Regular Join Date: Feb 2003 Local Time: 01:52 AM Posts: 141 Offline	Audi A3 1.8T, VW Golf GTi, Seat Leon 1.8T, Skoda Octiva (is that the one?) 1.8T Driven 3 of them ..... nothing to say about them aside from - wooden steering, over sensitive brakes, soggy suspension/dampers. And by buying a TT, everytime you go past that Skoda or Golf......

Feb 12th, 2004, 01:23 PM	#18 (permalink)
bards Clio 197 R27 My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: West Yorkshire Local Time: 12:52 AM Posts: 2,239 Offline	A mate of mine has a 225 bhp TT which was bought at Cooper S money (£14995), however it is a 99v, LHD, 48000 miles. Very nice car, in silver with 18" Audi multispokes, heated leather seats, Bose sound plus the usual Audi refinements. Suppose it depends whether you are in the market for a new car, and its quite a different thing to the mini. In my opinion both are nice cars, but very different. flickr :: You Tube

Feb 12th, 2004, 05:41 PM	#19 (permalink)
dll MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: NH Local Time: 08:52 PM Posts: 9 Offline	I've been told there's a lot less interior room in the TT as compared to the MCS making the TT uncomfortable for 6ft+ drivers. Can anyone confirm?

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