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Old Apr 20th, 2004, 10:20 AM   #1
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England MINI comes 56th in JD Power 2004

Well according to the JD Power survey this year of 24,000 people owning cars with 51/02 plates, each of the following cars are better than the MINI! And that's just the Supermini category!!

What's gone wrong?
  • Toyota Yaris
  • Skoda Fabia
  • Mazda Demio
  • Suzuki Ignis
  • Hyundai Amica
  • Vauxhall Corsa
  • Suzuki Wagon R+
  • Mitsubishi Space Star
  • Ford Ka
  • Vauxhall Agila
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Old Apr 20th, 2004, 10:25 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Quote: Originally Posted by robmac
, each of the following cars are better than the MINI! And that's just the Supermini category!!

What's gone wrong?
  • Toyota Yaris
  • Skoda Fabia
  • Mazda Demio
  • Suzuki Ignis
  • Hyundai Amica
  • Vauxhall Corsa
  • Suzuki Wagon R+
  • Mitsubishi Space Star
  • Ford Ka
  • Vauxhall Agila

Thats as BAD as Arsenal winning the Premiership.
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Old Apr 20th, 2004, 10:29 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I wouldn't disagree with that

Basically it the car's impracticality and the build quality that really lets the MINI down
In a couple of years time the position should rise dramatically as the build quality of later cars has vastly improved

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Old Apr 20th, 2004, 10:34 AM   #4 (permalink)
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It was even beaten by the Proton Wira!

This is a bad day for the 51/02-plate MINI.
I'm hoping Martin L's comment comes true.
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Old Apr 20th, 2004, 10:51 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Doesn't surprise me, and probably wont surprise the people at MINI too much either. Things are getting better, that's the positive side of it.

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Old Apr 20th, 2004, 11:03 AM   #6 (permalink)
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can't believe the Ka beat it - bet Washy might disagree with that ......
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Old Apr 20th, 2004, 11:55 AM   #7 (permalink)
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2 questions

1 Better in what respect?

2 Would you buy any one of the listed cars in preference to a MINI?
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Old Apr 20th, 2004, 11:56 AM   #8 (permalink)
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can't believe the Ka beat it - bet Washy might disagree with that ......

It was probably the Ka of Gifford Hillary rather than a Ford Ka
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Old Apr 20th, 2004, 12:07 PM   #9 (permalink)
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England

For those of you not from the UK (and hopelessly lost on what we're talking about) go here to find out more:

What Car? JD Power
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Old Apr 20th, 2004, 12:14 PM   #10 (permalink)
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The problem with these surveys is personal expectation from a car. People who buy cars like Skoda's and Hyundai's generally have lower expectations of their cars. For example somebody who buys a Hyundai and it rattles and falls apart is probably less likely to complain than somebody who has spent a lot more money on a Merc or a MINI.
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Old Apr 20th, 2004, 12:15 PM   #11 (permalink)
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the cars listed here indicate the type of people who enjoy filling in survey forms, do MINi owners actually bother with such things. I'm not so sure.
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Quote: Originally Posted by goonery
the cars listed here indicate the type of people who enjoy filling in survey forms, do MINi owners actually bother with such things. I'm not so sure.

Don't you like filling in forms You could be doing that instead of wasting your time driving or washing your MINI
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Old Apr 20th, 2004, 12:23 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Yikes! Glad build quality is less of an issue now!

Isnt it...?
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Old Apr 20th, 2004, 12:44 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Quote: Originally Posted by ScottyB
Yikes! Glad build quality is less of an issue now!

Isnt it...?

Yes it is, apart from the PS/B MCS
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Old Apr 20th, 2004, 12:53 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Looking at this website now and the cars around it in the table I don't think it's a bad result
It's got the same rating as a Mk IV golf and I was mightily impressed with my golf.

Good to see Mazdas are all very high on the list

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Old Apr 20th, 2004, 02:05 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Agree with BENJ and goonery, the survey only relates to people filling the survey in and re-iterates what Quentin Wilson said this morning on the radio, the fact that Skoda's generally start off with such low expectations. And lets be honest, Skoda owners are probably going to drive fewer miles anyway than MINI drivers and see it less of a hobby and more of a device to get you from A to B.

You only have to look at the number of posts on this site to see how much more obsessive people are who own MINI's and whether things are ok or not. Wonder how many posts there have been discussing creaking seats/boot rattles in a VW/Skoda forum?

As an ex Skoda and current MINI driver, I can see both sides.
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Old Apr 20th, 2004, 02:25 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Quote: Originally Posted by goonery
the cars listed here indicate the type of people who enjoy filling in survey forms, do MINi owners actually bother with such things. I'm not so sure.

Is you seying we's ellitrate?

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Old Apr 20th, 2004, 04:46 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Yet J.D. Power's APEAL study states that the Cooper is the best car of the compact category (at least in the U.S.):
http://www.jdpower.com/cc/auto/relea...ID=788&CatID=1
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Old Apr 20th, 2004, 05:46 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I'm very suspicious of the JD Power Surveys although I think it does have good intentions. The manufacturers found out years ago in the US that the easiest way to increase your JD Power ranking was to put more cup holders in the car - and bigger ones if possible. Kind of says it all about folk who fill in these sort of surveys.

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