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johnsocal · May 20th, 2004, 07:27 PM

What year does this new pedestrian law go into effect in Europe?

What countries are affected?

Will the next-gen Mini come out about the same time as this new law?

Windshadow · May 21st, 2004, 06:53 AM

I expect that the Car makers will get theSUVs exempted as light trucks as they have for so many things... suvs have such a huge profit margin they will do anything to keep building as many as they can market

CoryB · May 21st, 2004, 05:49 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Burgoyne

I have added a new safety feature to Burgy to help her be in line with the new law.

It was a quick mod, and hopefully it will allow the cops to leave her alone.

I like it! And you get to do the Dukes of Hazzard window climb to get in and out.

IBMiniG · May 21st, 2004, 06:05 PM

OMG, and I thought us Yanks and some idiotic laws alleviating the individual from personal responsibility. The world is a dangerous place, get over it already. I wonder when the day will cone that I cant but a sharp knife to slice my tomatoes, I mean after all I might cut myself, wait, that wouldn't happen the Band-Aid company would sue for loss of business. I never wore a bike helmet when I was a kid, and last I checked I'm not dead, yet. But I do like the idea of flush mounted windshield wipers. Bad things happen when people do dumb things, it's called evolution, and its not a bad thing *rant over, sorry guys*

JBA · May 21st, 2004, 08:05 PM

Just my views but there are several issues. 1. Over here, the use of the lower limbs has not been superceded, nor made nearly impossible. I rely on my own experience and comments by Bill Bryson

Therefore, perambulation and cycling are a more frequent occurrence than in some other continents. In consequence, there are more pedestrian/cyclist deaths and injuries than in the USA, proportionately. No doubt some are due to error on the part of the soft-shelled. A number are however due to acts of omission and commission by a driver, against which the walker et al has no defence. Many are a combination of these factors. 2. The net result is that in order to reduce deaths and injury, it is not only the driver and passengers that need to be considered. 3. Up to now the same thought has not been extended by all manufacturers to pedestrians, although there are exceptions. 4. It will still hurt if you are struck by a car, but the chances of death and serious injury will be reduced if designers are required to consider outcomes. 5. Unlike the restricted licensed car drivering cadre, the walking population is made up of the whole age and ability range, therefore the infirm, slow, and addled, and the young and impetuous have to be considered. Some might prefer they are not allowed out, but sorry, that isn't a realistic option 6. Some styling freedom may be lost. They'll overcome that. 7. Anyway, the die is cast.

Z1GZAG N · May 22nd, 2004, 01:27 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by xplode

catapulting the pedestrian into the air...

Catapulting? I love it. Give me that option and watch out x-wives!

May 21st, 2004, 06:53 AM	#22 (permalink)
Windshadow MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Newcastle Maine Local Time: 09:08 PM Posts: 2,443 Offline	I expect that the Car makers will get theSUVs exempted as light trucks as they have for so many things... suvs have such a huge profit margin they will do anything to keep building as many as they can market S BRG/W Randolph 3 PAC NAV Mid Coast Maine, U.S.A.

May 21st, 2004, 05:49 PM	#23 (permalink)
CoryB MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Chester VA USA Local Time: 09:08 PM Posts: 262 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Burgoyne I have added a new safety feature to Burgy to help her be in line with the new law. It was a quick mod, and hopefully it will allow the cops to leave her alone. I like it! And you get to do the Dukes of Hazzard window climb to get in and out. His - 04 CR/W MCS Hers - 05 BEP/W MCS

May 21st, 2004, 06:05 PM	#24 (permalink)
IBMiniG MINI2 Master Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Local Time: 06:08 PM Posts: 871 Offline	OMG, and I thought us Yanks and some idiotic laws alleviating the individual from personal responsibility. The world is a dangerous place, get over it already. I wonder when the day will cone that I cant but a sharp knife to slice my tomatoes, I mean after all I might cut myself, wait, that wouldn't happen the Band-Aid company would sue for loss of business. I never wore a bike helmet when I was a kid, and last I checked I'm not dead, yet. But I do like the idea of flush mounted windshield wipers. Bad things happen when people do dumb things, it's called evolution, and its not a bad thing rant over, sorry guys WARNING-Objects in rear view mirror have a tendency to disappear! 9/20 build '03 MCS IB/W/W, everything but the NAV & Sunroof

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May 21st, 2004, 08:05 PM	#25 (permalink)
JBA MINI2 Regular Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Wilds of Lancashire Local Time: 01:08 AM Posts: 150 Offline	Just my views but there are several issues. 1. Over here, the use of the lower limbs has not been superceded, nor made nearly impossible. I rely on my own experience and comments by Bill Bryson Therefore, perambulation and cycling are a more frequent occurrence than in some other continents. In consequence, there are more pedestrian/cyclist deaths and injuries than in the USA, proportionately. No doubt some are due to error on the part of the soft-shelled. A number are however due to acts of omission and commission by a driver, against which the walker et al has no defence. Many are a combination of these factors. 2. The net result is that in order to reduce deaths and injury, it is not only the driver and passengers that need to be considered. 3. Up to now the same thought has not been extended by all manufacturers to pedestrians, although there are exceptions. 4. It will still hurt if you are struck by a car, but the chances of death and serious injury will be reduced if designers are required to consider outcomes. 5. Unlike the restricted licensed car drivering cadre, the walking population is made up of the whole age and ability range, therefore the infirm, slow, and addled, and the young and impetuous have to be considered. Some might prefer they are not allowed out, but sorry, that isn't a realistic option 6. Some styling freedom may be lost. They'll overcome that. 7. Anyway, the die is cast.

May 22nd, 2004, 01:27 AM	#26 (permalink)
Z1GZAG N MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2003 Location: Hurricane Alley, FL Local Time: 08:08 PM Posts: 1,431 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by xplode catapulting the pedestrian into the air... Catapulting? I love it. Give me that option and watch out x-wives!

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